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Hammock Parties 02-11-2013 05:03 PM

Jermichael Finley as our TE would be nice.
 
Dorsey would snap this guy up I bet.

Jermichael Finley Uncertain About Future With Green Bay Packers

http://www.onlinesportsbookpro.com/f...n-bay-packers/

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Heading into the off-season, the Green Bay Packers are on the verge of a drastic changes with the team planning on letting a few of their best players potentially hit the free agent market in March. The Packers appear content with letting these players go with promising young players coming up in the organization.

One of the players will most likely be on their way out of Green Bay is tight end Jermichael Finley. Although considered one of the best tight ends in the game last season catching a career-high eight touchdowns and quickly becoming one of Aaron Rodgers’ favorite targets in the end zone, Green Bay doesn’t seem intent on retaining the up-and-comer with Finley set to become a free agent next month.

Finley’s receiving yards may have improved by 100 yards with 776 in comparison to 676 in 2011, the tight end’s targets in the end zone dropped off considerably with only two touchdowns opposed to eight touchdowns last year.

One of the main reasons for Finley’s decreased value and lack of interest from Green Bay is his inability to catch passes consistently. Although Finley may still have a promising career in the NFL, the consensus appears to be that he’ll be playing for another team next season.

Along with Finley on his way out of Green Bay, the Packers will likely also part ways with two-time Pro Bowler Greg Jennings. The team will build around up-and-comers James Jones, Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb rather than signing Jennings long-term.

It remains uncertain moving forward what the interest will be in Finley on the open market. At 25-years old and the league starting to see a rise in Pro Bowl caliber players at the tight end position, Finley will definitely have some takers, but probably won’t be paid the amount desired.

HolyHat 02-11-2013 05:08 PM

sounds expensive. Get it done Andy Dorsey

Sorter 02-11-2013 05:09 PM

Can't catch and ripped on Rodgers. No thanks.

RyFo18 02-11-2013 05:12 PM

I'm telling you, all Packers fans do is talk about how much they hate this guy and how much he drops passes. He's basically Tony Moeaki (maybe worse?) w/ a great QB throwing him the ball.

Easy 6 02-11-2013 05:16 PM

If he has trouble hanging on to a Rodgers ball, i dont like his chances here at all.

Draft a guy or pick someone up in FA... or, go with the idea i put forth a while back and transition Baldwin, he has the frame to add another ten pounds or so, put him through a blocking clinic in camp and voila... pass catching tight end.

Titty Meat 02-11-2013 05:20 PM

No.

Hammock Parties 02-11-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9394512)
Draft a guy or pick someone up in FA... or, go with the idea i put forth a while back and transition Baldwin, he has the frame to add another ten pounds or so, put him through a blocking clinic in camp and voila... pass catching tight end.

Do you really think adding 10 pounds is going to help Baldwin get separation?

Just because you're a TE doesn't mean you don't need to get separation from defenders.

OnTheWarpath15 02-11-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RyFo18 (Post 9394502)
I'm telling you, all Packers fans do is talk about how much they hate this guy and how much he drops passes. He's basically Tony Moeaki (maybe worse?) w/ a great QB throwing him the ball.

ROFL

Rasputin 02-11-2013 05:31 PM

We need to draft our next HOFTE with our #1 pick.

The Franchise 02-11-2013 05:32 PM

No way in hell. Tons of talent.....to stupid to utilize it.

RyFo18 02-11-2013 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9394553)
ROFL

I really don't think it's that crazy of an assumption...Put Moeaki in Rodgers offense and you don't think he could put up Finley's numbers?

OnTheWarpath15 02-11-2013 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RyFo18 (Post 9394566)
I really don't think it's that crazy of an assumption...Put Moeaki in Rodgers offense and you don't think he could put up Finley's numbers?

WTF has Moeaki accomplished at ANY level that leads you to this opinion?

Man, the love for JAG's on this forum is out of ****ing control.

Easy 6 02-11-2013 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9394525)
Do you really think adding 10 pounds is going to help Baldwin get separation?

Just because you're a TE doesn't mean you don't need to get separation from defenders.

No one mistakes Baldwin for fast, but i dont think he's so slow that he cant threaten a lot of backers and safeties, and that position has as much to do with using your frame to shield the ball to make a play on it as it does just flat out beating them in a foot race.

Crazier things have happened, a lot of people swore up and down that Hali could never play OLB, didnt have the speed... i have to believe its atleast possible.

RyFo18 02-11-2013 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9394571)
WTF has Moeaki accomplished at ANY level that leads you to this opinion?

Man, the love for JAG's on this forum is out of ****ing control.

Moeaki is a very talented pass catching TE and a decent blocker to boot. Yeah, he's been hurt his whole career, but that doesn't take away from what I've seen when he's actually on the field.

I think you're misunderstanding me though. I'm not trying to hype up Moeaki by any means. I'm saying that Finley is a mediocre tight end who's stats have been inflated because of the guy throwing him the ball. I mean, look at what happened to Dallas Clark after Peyton Manning disappeared from Indy. I've watched a lot of Jermichael Finley. He's never a guy that has jumped out at me.

The Franchise 02-11-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9394512)
If he has trouble hanging on to a Rodgers ball, i dont like his chances here at all.

Draft a guy or pick someone up in FA... or, go with the idea i put forth a while back and transition Baldwin, he has the frame to add another ten pounds or so, put him through a blocking clinic in camp and voila... pass catching tight end.

Baldwin to TE?

:facepalm:

Chief_For_Life58 02-11-2013 05:43 PM

finley> brokeaki

The Franchise 02-11-2013 05:44 PM

Talent wise? Finley > a healthy Moeaki.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 02-11-2013 05:45 PM

I can't see where he'll get a huge contract. I'm intrigued

Easy 6 02-11-2013 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9394586)
Baldwin to TE?

:facepalm:

He hasnt exactly wowed everyone at receiver, whats the harm in trying it?

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 02-11-2013 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9394586)
Baldwin to TE?

:facepalm:

Slow, oversized WR? Must be a TE!!! Worked for Teyo Johnson!!!

The Franchise 02-11-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9394598)
He hasnt exactly wowed everyone at receiver, whats the harm in trying it?

It's ****ing dumb.

O.city 02-11-2013 06:08 PM

Baldwin is about as polished as an 80 year old door knob. But, he also wasn't used for what his actual strengths are. Partly because he's a big long strider who needs a while to get up to speed and we didn't really have a use for a deep threat cause we had a shit fart turd at Qb.


That said, I'm not even sure Baldwin would excel at that.

mcaj22 02-11-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9394671)
Baldwin is about as polished as an 80 year old door knob. But, he also wasn't used for what his actual strengths are. Partly because he's a big long strider who needs a while to get up to speed and we didn't really have a use for a deep threat cause we had a shit fart turd at Qb.


That said, I'm not even sure Baldwin would excel at that.

i think he would

its essentially get him in 1 on 1 coverage deep, throw it as high and far as you can and hope Baldwin uses his size to beat whoever is covering

asking him to run an actual complex route to convert a key 3rd down or go over the middle, forget it lol

O.city 02-11-2013 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9394688)
i think he would

its essentially get him in 1 on 1 coverage deep, throw it as high and far as you can and hope Baldwin uses his size to beat whoever is covering

asking him to run an actual complex route to convert a key 3rd down or go over the middle, forget it lol

I mean really, thats what he was drafted to be. A big deep threat. Deep posts, deep outs etc.

Whats awful, is that we drafted him to do something that we weren't able to do, because we don't have someone to get it to him.


He needs to be used similarly to Vincent Jackson, (and no, he's not Vincent Jackson)

saphojunkie 02-11-2013 06:29 PM

I reserve any and all judgment on Jon Baldwin.

That said, I no longer have confidence in him. Here's my equation:

only two seasons + shit QB + shit coaches - ***** drafted you = one more year on a very short leash.

mcaj22 02-11-2013 06:30 PM

not saying Jon Baldwin but I dont even think some of these Scooter picks make it out of this years training camp

O.city 02-11-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9394712)
not saying Jon Baldwin but I dont even think some of these Scooter picks make it out of this years training camp

I'd say thats a pretty accurate statement. Even if they mostly didn't suck shitballs, with a new FO, gonna be alot of change.

OnTheWarpath15 02-11-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9394706)
I reserve any and all judgment on Jon Baldwin.

That said, I no longer have confidence in him. Here's my equation:

only two seasons + shit QB + shit coaches - ***** drafted you = one more year on a very short leash.

156 catches. 2,017 yards. 12 TD's.

Vs.

41 catches. 579 yards. 2 TD's.


Dwayne Bowe after two seasons, with shit at QB and shitty coaching.

Only differences are that Pioli didn't draft Bowe, and that Bowe actually has talent.

No more excuses.

DeezNutz 02-11-2013 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9394737)
156 catches. 2,017 yards. 12 TD's.

Vs.

41 catches. 579 yards. 2 TD's.


Dwayne Bowe after two seasons, with shit at QB and shitty coaching.

Only differences are that ***** didn't draft Bowe, and that Bowe actually has talent.

No more excuses.

It's a known fact that a Thomas Jones ass whipping sets a man back two years.

O.city 02-11-2013 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9394737)
156 catches. 2,017 yards. 12 TD's.

Vs.

41 catches. 579 yards. 2 TD's.


Dwayne Bowe after two seasons, with shit at QB and shitty coaching.

Only differences are that ***** didn't draft Bowe, and that Bowe actually has talent.

No more excuses.

This right here shows a few things. How good Bowe was/is, and how important it is that we re sign him.

People undersell the guy so much, but he's been a ****ing stud in KC.

SAUTO 02-11-2013 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9394742)
It's a known fact that a Thomas Jones ass whipping sets a man back two years.

This. Proven time and time again.
Posted via Mobile Device

NJChiefsFan 02-12-2013 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9394737)
156 catches. 2,017 yards. 12 TD's.

Vs.

41 catches. 579 yards. 2 TD's.


Dwayne Bowe after two seasons, with shit at QB and shitty coaching.

Only differences are that ***** didn't draft Bowe, and that Bowe actually has talent.

No more excuses.

Not being as good as Bowe doesn't mean you suck. Don't get me wrong, my expectations for Baldwin even in a new regime aren't high. Still, just because Bowe can excel in ultimate suck doesn't mean everyone can. I think with a good QB Baldwin could have an average season, but I don't see how he will ever be worth the pick we spent.

Smed1065 02-12-2013 02:35 AM

Oh hell no. He is LJ part2

LoneWolf 02-12-2013 06:11 AM

Delanie Walker would be a much better option in FA in my opinion. He's more versatile, has better hands, and isn't a head case.

RUSH 02-12-2013 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9396061)
Delanie Walker would be a much better option in FA in my opinion. He's more versatile, has better hands, and isn't a head case.

Better hands? Walker might have the worst hands in the league. Pretty sure he had the worst drop rate in the NFL. Finley can't catch either, but he has better hands than Walker.

I do love everything else about him though. Tough dude and does it all.

But no thanks to both. I would prefer they draft and develop a TE this year or next year. We could get by with Tony and Boss for one more year, if necessary. I'd also like to see what Tony can do with competent QB play. Will probably never be great, but I think he can be a very solid player.

bevischief 02-12-2013 08:04 AM

Wow.:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

LoneWolf 02-12-2013 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RUSH (Post 9396142)
Better hands? Walker might have the worst hands in the league. Pretty sure he had the worst drop rate in the NFL. Finley can't catch either, but he has better hands than Walker.

I do love everything else about him though. Tough dude and does it all.

But no thanks to both. I would prefer they draft and develop a TE this year or next year. We could get by with Tony and Boss for one more year, if necessary. I'd also like to see what Tony can do with competent QB play. Will probably never be great, but I think he can be a very solid player.

According to official stats, Finley and Walker both had 7 dropped passes this season. I know Finley was targeted significantly more, but Walker was also catching passes from Kaepernick who at times doesn't exactly put a lot of touch on the ball. I was probably wrong in saying he had better hands, but they aren't measurably worse.

I doubt Boss plays the game of football again. He's a walking concussion and for his safety, I hope he decides to retire. Walker is a good blocker, good route runner, and is versatile enough to line up in an H-back role if needed. I'm not saying KC should definitely sign Walker, but if they are going to spend money in FA on a TE, Walker would be my choice.

Chiefshrink 02-12-2013 09:14 AM

Well, we don't know if Dorsey IS or IS NOT on the Finley bandwagon after a subpar career. For all we know Dorsey could be saying "screw that idea":rolleyes:

Easy 6 02-12-2013 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9394661)
It's ****ing dumb.

No, it isnt ****ing dumb, stop acting like the skill set of a receiving tight end is so dissimilar from what he already is as a player.

If Reid keeps Bowe, and i believe he will put a value on the continuity and production he brings, then i dont see him wanting another big bodied possession receiver, he hasnt used guys like that since Owens.

That leaves him with two choices for Baldwin, and its not so crazy to think he might try to find another spot for him before sending him out the door.

I dont know that it will happen, but its certainly within the realm of possibilities... we'll see.

Shox 02-12-2013 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9396061)
Delanie Walker would be a much better option in FA in my opinion. He's more versatile, has better hands, and isn't a head case.

Agree. Walker would be a great addition. Much better than Finley.


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