Joeckel vs. Alberts
 

I know I probably misspelled his name but I want to get everyones true opinion of Joeckel. We want to sign Alberts but I believe most on here are in agreement that he isn't worth top 5 money. At the moment we don't know his demands.

Ever since Alberts was drafted we have debated on here whether or not he should be playing T or G. Mostly because he was a G in college. Most on here would agree that he is a pretty solid LT just not elite.

With that being said.........how does everyone really feel about potentially having a prototipical LT in Joeckel? Put the whole QB situation aside for a minute and just think of the OL.

If we came out of the draft with Joeckel and potentially Barkley if we traded back up or he fell for some reason then wouldn't that be a great start?

lol

:facepalm:

What the **** is this.

Funny that you spelled Joeckel right....but why do some of you add an s to Albert?

**** you.

Pay albert top 5 money. Its just the way contracts are going with free agents anymore. The move to guard thing is annoying. "Prototypical LT" Joeckel and "out of position" Albert's Measurements match up pretty even.

Height:
Albert : 6'7" Joeckel: 6'6"
Weight:
Albert: 315 Joeckel: 306
Arm length:
Albert: 33 7/8" Joeckel: 34 1/4"

We need more joeckel threads around here

Here's the show stopper to this conversation and I'm gonna keep bringing it up till this topic dies a gruesome death...

Lets say Joeckel is a guy that just finished his rookie season and had a good year, and isn't just a guy coming out of college?

Would you be willing to trade Brandon Albert AND the first overall pick for Luke Joeckel?

If you answer yes, please find a tall building ad place a thumbtack at the base of it and then climb to the top.

Once there, try to imagine where the thumb tack is and jump, with the intent of hitting that thumbtack with your nose.

Good luck.

I would not trade Joeckel for Trev Alberts. Sorry.

I love how you worried about misspelling a guy's name from college and meanwhile misspelled the actual Chief wrong without even a concern that you might have.

Alberts SMFH

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But seriously, go **** yourself TS

Do you know how I know you arent very football bright?

Isn't Alberts a grocery store in Iowa?

I might for Marv Albert though.

Albertsons is a grocery store in the west.

Try not to act like a smartass for a couple of min. I could really care less if I misspelled anyones name.

That good information regarding the size comparisons. I didn't realize that Joeckel and Albert were that close; however, the common belief from what I've read is that Joeckel has room to put on more weight.

I am not interested in losing Albert. I want to see the team move forward and not sideways by replacing Albert with Joeckel. It's a simple question of does Joeckel have the potential to end all of the talk about having a true LT.

Wtf? Have you read ANY threads the past ****ing 3 months regarding the draft?

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True left tackles get you absolutely ****ing nothing.

Nothing.

Yeah and most of them consist of people bitching about drafting a QB and not a LT. Try to keep up. Just focus on the LT position itself. If that is something you are not capable of then my feelings aren't hurt if you choose to spend your time in another thread.

That was alberts weight at the combine. I have no idea of his weight now.

Completely agree. Has Albert reached his full potential? Would we actually realize an improvement on the OL if we are unable to resign him and take another in the draft? I don't think this has been discussed.

Joeckel will not be Jonathan Odgen
Joeckel will not be Willie Roaf

so, no, he will not be the end all LT.

there, your question was easily answered

Lol. Not so fast. I think we are all in agreement that Albert isn't Ogden or Roaf either. So why is everyone on here so against possibly of replacing him. Not necessarily with the first pick.

We have a losing culture on this team and need to change it. Albert has been a part of that culture since he has been on the team.

Albert is just been getting better every year. If Joeckel is better, which I doubt, the improvement would be very marginal.

He only allowed one freaking sack last year. Give me a break. Dont fix whats not broken, especially with the first overall pick in a draft..

Yes, the losing culture is brought on by the LT. Not the shit quarterback we have.

So has Jamaal Charles. Can we replace him please?

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I'd rather start Stephenson, Allen and Geno than go into next season with Luke Joeckel.

you were essentially asking the prospect hype of Joeckel coming out as an LT

he is not the same kind of player as Roaf, or Odgen or Orlando Pace

or even dare I say Jake Long

hes not even close to any of them. And probably wont be. Hes just going to be a good player from a weak class. Nothing more nothing less. But to ask if hes going to be a Hall of Fame LT. Id bet the favorite odds in NO. He would essentially have to play at a Pro Bowl and All Pro level from season 1 all the way til season 10+ beyond to come close, and that's very hard to do today. He would have a lot of current good LTs to leapfrog in a quick amount of time, and theres no way hes doing that.

Albert is a known commodity how do we know joekle isn't a bust we don't.

You COULD care less if you spell someone's name incorrectly? Meaning you care at least a little bit that you're a ****ing dumbass who doesn't know who the LT for the Chiefs has been since 2008?

I mean, good. You SHOULD care about problems as serious as that.

Jamaal Charless
Dwayne Bowes
Matt Cassels

It's a shame that Kendall Gammons still doesn't play for the Chiefs. I'll bet he and Alberts have a lot in common

I don't know how much we can rely on ANY stats related to QB play last year. The QB situation is just embarrassing. However, since those are the way we track success we have to give Albert credit. Only allowing one sack is really impressive.

Agreed. I'm not advocating getting rid of Albert. Just trying get everyones thoughts on the LT position since Albert is a FA. We don't know if he will be resigned or not. If not, how easy would it be to replace him with equal talent or even someone with more upside? Would it take a first round pick? Did we just get lucky with him?

Dude, your still stuck on a ****ing misspelled word and not adding anything to the discussion. Typical SNR.

Why trade him? The Chiefs have a ton of money to spend. Sign Albert for LT money and draft Joeckel for cheap rookie money and play them wherever you want to. Eventually, if not initially, move Albert and let Joeckel take over at LT. A few years down the road, either force Albert to take a pay cut or release him because you've got someone cheaper ready to take his spot. If all goes according to plan, then it will be time to resign Joeckel to his LT 2nd contract.

FTR, I'm not advocating this, but it wouldn't bother me if something like this happened as long as QB was also addressed in some fashion. It would be infinitely better than intentionally letting Albert walk and replacing him with Joeckel.

This is the stupidest idea I have heard.

This wasn't a typo, dude. You did it like 6 or 7 times. You legitimately did not know the name of our LT.

It's not even a Branden vs. Brandon thing. You flat out got his name wrong. How long have you not known his name?

Holy ****ing shit.

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Just go back...

Clever and very original. You might earn a pat on the head for that.

You earn cyanide for that idea you had.

I don't believe you.

Why are you in this thread if you can't leave the QB situation aside for a minute? I bet there's a QB circle jerk in one or two of the other threads around here that would let you in.

This.

just a slight interjection

To keep Albert on, you either have to pay him LT money, or franchise him. If you franchise him and draft Joeckel, thats a shitload of money you have at LG.


With the many other holes we need to fill, doing that financially doesn't make much sense.

mmmmm....true fan tackle talk.....tastes like shitloaf! Lil Chiefy; is that you son?
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I would hope we wouldn't have to franchise him, but either way, we're way under the cap, are we not? I'm not sure why it wouldn't make sense since you'd still only be paying one player legit LT money.

WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU DRAFT A BACK UP LT WITH THE FIRST OVER ALL PICK. WHAT GOOD DOES THAT DO? HOW MUCH BETTER ARE WE WITH LUKE JOECKEL?

There, all in caps.

Our offensive line is 100% SET at Left tackle (Albert only gave up one sack in 11 starts), right guard (Asamoah is a ****ing STUD)and right tackle (Winston is a top five right tackle)...one of the two other spots is owned by Rodney Hudson...an all american left guard at fsu that has center skills...that leaves ONE LINE POSITION that we don't have a very good, young player at.

Left guard or center...to me, I'd like to see them move Hudson back to left guard and for us to draft a good center to finish the OL, but in no way shape or form should that be with the top pick.

We have NOBODY at quarterback and the difference between Geno and what we could get in the second round is significant.

If we come out of our top two picks with Geno and Barrett Jones, ill be a happy camper.

Keeping Albert and drafting Joeckel hasn't crossed my mind. Even if we don't keep Albert and don't draft Joeckel then how difficult would it be to replace Albert?

He's not going to sign here to play LG, so you have to franchise him. IIRC, you have to designate what you are franchising position wise. If you do it at guard, he's not signing it and would likely sit out.


So he's gone after one year, then you're looking for a guard too.


Yeah, if you want to keep him at guard, you have to franchise him. Otherwise, he's just going to go somewhere else to play LT, which he should, cause he's shown to be a damn good LT in the NFL. He's never played guard in the NFL so .....

Well, there happens to be a 3rd round pick on our roster who played pretty well in his appearances last year.

Using your scenerio we assume that we resign or franchise Albert. Then how high would Barrett Jones be drafted and is he the best C prospect?

Please quote any post in this thread in which I have mentioned the QB situation.

Thanks.

You can probably get the best C prospect in the 3 or 4th round. Jones has a lis franc injury so he'll probably drop.

That would be a pretty solid outcome, IMO.

If they drafted Joeckel according to my theory (of keeping both), it would be with the long term (~ a decade or so) in mind. I'm not as sure about Asamoah as you are and I think the jury is still out on Allen. Hopefully at least one of them is actually a long term stud and Hudson comes back strong either at G or C.

Yikes

There's just no way you can keep both. Financially and in terms of Albert signing, it won't work.

and here i thought "the case for nick foles" was the smelliest pile of shit to ever grace this board...
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What are the chances Jones makes it to the 3rd round? IMO we have to address the CB situation in round 2.

Why won't it work? Like I said, you'd only be paying one player legit LT money and the Chiefs have plenty of room under the cap. Teams with less cap room do that all the time.

Also, on top of all the spots I just mentioned, we also just drafted two college offensive tackles (Don Stephenson and Jeff Allen) with the intent of moving Allen to guard.

That's a total, up to date investment of

1first rounder - Albert (that true fans want to jettison to take a very similar player with the top,pick with Joeckel)
2 2nd rounders (Rodney Hudson and Jeff Allen)
2 3rd rounders (Jon Asamoah and Don Stevenson)
A big free agent contract to Eric Winston

If we add the top overall pick to that list and jettison one of our best players that already mans the position, we are reeruned.

Add a center, or hope Allen pans out at guard and we are set besides a couple late round picks for depth.

It's no mistake that two gms that just got fired would pass on a quarterback for a linemen.

Name one team.

No they don't. Sorry, but it's just not an idea that will work.


You have to franchise Albert. He's not going to sign on then be moved to guard. If you franchise him, he can sit out.

He doesnt' want to play guard and he probably won't.

Feeling left out? Need attention?

Good argument. However, we are still faced with two realities:

1. Albert hasn't been resigned yet.

2. "Experts" (lol) think that Joeckel is considered one of the best overall players.

So if we lose him either to unusual demands or refusal to use the tag then we will need another OL in this draft.

I didn't know he had lisfranc.

Even knowing that, I'd take him in the third....have him immediately have the surgery and sart him off on pup with intentions for him to take over at center or guard my the end of his first season.

Not counting Jackson or Cassel, the Chiefs are around 40 million under the cap.

They need to reward guys like Albert and Bowe...not create more holes in this roster.

Taking Joeckel is like trading Albert AND the first overall pick for him.

That's just ridiculous to even fathom.

lol....I think we are past this part of the discussion. Now we are talking about how to "fix" the line if Albert isn't retained. It seems that taking a C and moving a couple of players currently on the roster would be the way to go and still use our first pick on the BPA.

new game: someone come up with the dumbest hypothetical possible. Winner creates accompanying thread, and we vote it in to the hall at the end of the year.
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Here's a hypothetical: You actually have something to add to a discussion.

It's not far fetched to think a player that is a FA could/would not be retained and would need replaced.

He's had surgery already.

I think even with the lisfranc, he will be drafted before our pick in the third. The dude is a stud guard or center and can play multiple line positions at a high level. I'd love to have him playing center for us and move Hudson back to guard.