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Ming the Merciless 03-04-2013 04:46 PM

Question: Why can't we back out of the Alex Smith trade now? (or can we?)
 
Just out of total curiosity, what would happen if the front office didn't sign the trade deal on the 12th?

Would this be a violation of any rule, written or unwritten?

Would other teams not trust the FO? (They didn't sign anything yet, so I can't see this....)

All is fair in Love & War?

Fish 03-04-2013 04:47 PM

That's evil ****ing genious!

Make it happen Clarks.

Sassy Squatch 03-04-2013 04:48 PM

Why not? Nothing official from us about the trade.

Sassy Squatch 03-04-2013 04:48 PM

To clarify it would be a pretty scumbag move though.

CupidStunt 03-04-2013 04:49 PM

You're really asking if it would be breaking an unwritten rule? Really?

ThankYouBasedGod 03-04-2013 04:50 PM

Highly doubt KC will back out of the trade.

Ming the Merciless 03-04-2013 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9464308)
To clarify it would be a pretty scumbag move though.

I guess that's what I'm getting at........

would it be viewed as such by the other organizations or is it not a deal till the ink is dry?

RealSNR 03-04-2013 04:50 PM

There would be no penalty from the NFL. Pretty sure teams would become leery of making phone calls with us before trade seasons open again, though.

I don't know enough about the inner workings of NFL front offices to say if that's a big deal or not

OrtonsPiercedTaint 03-04-2013 04:50 PM

Keep him, pay off his 2-year contract. Then trade him for Foles and some picks.

The Franchise 03-04-2013 04:51 PM

It would be a dick move....but it would be a ****ing hilarious dick move.

Dante84 03-04-2013 04:51 PM

Who leaked the trade story anyways? Us, or them?

If we didnt go around confirming it, I dont see why it would be an issue if we were to back out. Both parties knew it was unofficial until the 12th.

ToxSocks 03-04-2013 04:51 PM

Im sure they could.....but i highly doubt they would. Signing bowe and tagging Albert are all part of their secret master plan.....and that plan includes Alex Smith.

Ming the Merciless 03-04-2013 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 9464314)
You're really asking if it would be breaking an unwritten rule? Really?

I asked more than that...I also asked if it would break written rule..

But since it is clear you have no input,& can't read just feel free to keep spouting stupid shit....

In58men 03-04-2013 04:52 PM

I would back out

Dante84 03-04-2013 04:53 PM

I think we should come back to the table and offer less.

Ming the Merciless 03-04-2013 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 9464348)
I think we should come back to the table and offer less.

We do kind of have them by the balls...it would seem...

CaliforniaChief 03-04-2013 04:54 PM

As long as there's no talk of an extension with A. Smith, I'm ok with the trade. Make him earn that extension.

OH yeah, and draft Geno #1 to light a fire under him.

mcan 03-04-2013 04:54 PM

I don't think its a coincidence that Bowe wouldn't sign until we had a new QB. That was probably the only stipulation he made when the new regime came in. Take care of that position first, and I'm good to go...

Alex Smith was the first domino... Two big signings and a franchise tag left tackle (who should be pretty damned happy he's getting top 5 money at that position, even for just a year), and we are well on our way.

Sassy Squatch 03-04-2013 04:55 PM

Yeah. Take 34 off the table and make it their move.

Garcia Bronco 03-04-2013 04:56 PM

The deal is not official. So yes, the Chiefs can back out right now if they wish

OrtonsPiercedTaint 03-04-2013 04:56 PM

Missouri does have a Lemon Law.

ReynardMuldrake 03-04-2013 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 9464331)
Who leaked the trade story anyways? Us, or them?

If we didnt go around confirming it, I dont see why it would be an issue if we were to back out. Both parties knew it was unofficial until the 12th.

This. Do it in retaliation for leaking the story, and make it clear why.

Then pick him up as a free agent for half price.

keg in kc 03-04-2013 04:59 PM

Some team needs to come in with an even stupider offer and save us from our own genious.

In58men 03-04-2013 05:00 PM

Reid and Dorsey wouldn't want their name damaged in Frisco. Backing out would put a bitter taste in the mouths of the 49ers. I would think they would turn the cheek if Chiefs were wanting to negotiate a future unknown deal

BossChief 03-04-2013 05:00 PM

If we were to back out now, good luck with any teams ever proposing "in principle" trades with us.

We are stuck with Alex as a 2 year stopgap.

DaneMcCloud 03-04-2013 05:01 PM

What makes today any different than yesterday in terms of this trade?

:hmmm:

Ming the Merciless 03-04-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9464385)
Reid and Dorsey wouldn't want their name damaged in Frisco. Backing out would put a bitter taste in the mouths of the 49ers. I would think they would turn the cheek if Chiefs were wanting to negotiate a future unknown deal

Even if the future deal was in their best interest?

Dayze 03-04-2013 05:02 PM

take 34 off the table and offer up Cassel instead lol
since everyone nationally thinks Cassel isn't that bad and just needed more weapons.

Ming the Merciless 03-04-2013 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9464390)
What makes today any different than yesterday in terms of this trade?

:hmmm:

not sure...why? what happened today?:D

Molitoth 03-04-2013 05:03 PM

It wouldn't be a dick move... the 49ers are blatantly ripping the chiefs off.
Right now the 49ers are making the dick move.

DaneMcCloud 03-04-2013 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9464399)
not sure...why? what happened today?:D

:spock:

In58men 03-04-2013 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9464391)
Even if the future deal was in their best interest?

You have a point.

Coaches have burned bridges with other teams in the past though.

Sassy Squatch 03-04-2013 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9464403)
:spock:

The smiley didnt give away his sarcasm?

DaFace 03-04-2013 05:09 PM

Since we don't really know the details yet, I don't know that we can even really evaluate what the conditions are that we would be backing out of.

I think it's safe to assume that a verbal agreement is in place, though, which would be a major dick move to back out of.

In58men 03-04-2013 05:12 PM

I'm hoping whatever the deal is that we didnt offer him an extension.


Doesn't he have 2 yrs left of his contract?

Reerun_KC 03-04-2013 05:12 PM

I wish, but we deserve aids for making it.

Ming the Merciless 03-04-2013 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9464425)
which would be a major dick move to back out of.

dicks **** pussies!!!!!


NSFW

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Shox 03-04-2013 05:13 PM

1. No contract has been signed, therefore no deal.
2. No way the NFL can penalize anybody.
3. 49ers leaked the trade so screw them.

I hope the Eagles figure out there is no market for Foles at the price they are asking and we trade a 3rd for him.

HotCarl 03-04-2013 05:14 PM

:rolleyes: The team doesn't want to back out. Fans, outside of this place, don't even want us to.

Dayze 03-04-2013 05:16 PM

maybe the deal had a clause that the Cheifs had until 'X' date to void it. or something along the lines of an official shit or get off the pot deal.
I mean, if you're the Niners and along comes the Chiefs who offer up the 34 and a 2nd (reportedly) next year for a guy you're going to cut anywya......and one of their caveats is some sort of expiration date etc, the Niners would be stupid not to take it.

worse case, they cut Smith and save $. Best case, the Chiefs can't back out and you get a haul for a POS QB.

Hootie 03-04-2013 05:17 PM

because it won't happen

it was a gentleman's agreement...some people have integrity

I hope Reid and Dorsey have integrity...if they agreed to the deal, they agreed to the deal.

I didn't like the deal but if they agreed to something, they agreed to something.

Rasputin 03-04-2013 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9464386)
If we were to back out now, good luck with any teams ever proposing "in principle" trades with us.

We are stuck with Alex as a 2 year stopgap.

As much as I hate it they wont back down no they wont back down. Even if they are standing at the gates of hell they wont back down.

Internet Tough Guy 03-04-2013 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 9464435)
I'm hoping whatever the deal is that we didnt offer him an extension.


Doesn't he have 2 yrs left of his contract?

yup

HotCarl 03-04-2013 05:27 PM

The same sources that reported the Smith trade said that KC had made a major commitment to Smith. That says long-term deal.

DaneMcCloud 03-04-2013 05:31 PM

Wait, let me get this straight:

People actually believe that the Chiefs traded for Alex Smith because they thought they had no opportunity to sign Bowe and Albert, therefore, drafting a QB at #1 overall was off the table because LT was more important?

What?

RealSNR 03-04-2013 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9464444)
1. No contract has been signed, therefore no deal.
2. No way the NFL can penalize anybody.
3. 49ers leaked the trade so screw them.

I hope the Eagles figure out there is no market for Foles at the price they are asking and we trade a 3rd for him.

That's a good point. If this is a matter of honor we're dealing with, the 49ers were huge ****ing tools for leaking the interest in the first place.

Ace Gunner 03-04-2013 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 9464290)
Just out of total curiosity, what would happen if the front office didn't sign the trade deal on the 12th?

Would this be a violation of any rule, written or unwritten?

Would other teams not trust the FO? (They didn't sign anything yet, so I can't see this....)

All is fair in Love & War?

just out of curiosity have you ever been punched for backing out on a deal?

And obtw- this would stick with the Hunt fam, not just the FO.

and one more thing -- Alex Smith was this org's best option.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-04-2013 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9464301)
That's evil ****ing genious!

Make it happen Clarks.

Technically, we arent commited to a god damn thing with ****-o Smith. Hey, I like that; Geno the awesome chocolate penii-Smith, and Alex "****-o" Smith. The deal is done.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 03-04-2013 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9464308)
To clarify it would be a pretty scumbag move though.

If this ****-o franchise FINALLY laid some "No more Mr. Nice Guy"-wood on the NFL, I would PERSONALLY go suck Reid's fat dick!
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Exoter175 03-04-2013 05:58 PM

We won't violate anything for backing out of the trade, and more importantly, if it turns out San Francisco was the culprit for announcing the trade early (we know the Chiefs don't talk deals until they are done) the evidence is on them releasing the info to drive up Alex Smith's worth to gain a better bargain on him, in which case I'd be inclined to back out if my need wasn't as bad as it is.

TribalElder 03-04-2013 06:24 PM

We needed a vet to show Geno the ropes. We spent our first two picks on the biggest need QB

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-04-2013 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 9464715)
We needed a vet to show Geno the ropes. We spent our first two picks on the biggest need QB

The Deal Is Done.
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Spott 03-04-2013 06:30 PM

They have every right to back out or renegotiate the terms. I wish they would, but they won't. Nobody is willing to offer anywhere near what we did for him so it wouldn't be a bad thing to offer less knowing that they have to cut him anyways if noone trades for him.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-04-2013 06:43 PM

I'm hoping the trade is good, but the compensation was falsely reported. A 4th and a conditional 2nd would be easier to swallow and would keep Geno well in play. I know, I know wishful thinking.

mlyonsd 03-04-2013 06:43 PM

Good Lord. If a deal was actually agreed upon we're not backing out.

The only question left is what we do with the first pick.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 03-04-2013 06:54 PM

"Lol jk, Bowe. You get a rook"

Sorter 03-04-2013 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy Was Offsides. (Post 9464820)
"Lol jk, Bowe. You get a rook"

I'm sure AJ Green was pissed playing with a rookie Qb from TCu and an OC from the ****ing Arena League. JFC.

BigRedChief 03-04-2013 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9464531)
That's a good point. If this is a matter of honor we're dealing with, the 49ers were huge ****ing tools for leaking the interest in the first place.

well I'm glad it leaked.

SAUTO 03-04-2013 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 9464715)
We needed a vet to show Geno the ropes. We spent our first two picks on the biggest need QB

This
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Reerun_KC 03-04-2013 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 9464715)
We needed a vet to show Geno the ropes. We spent our first two picks on the biggest need QB

What kind of bullshit is showing someone ropes?

tecumseh 03-04-2013 07:55 PM

Is there a precedent? Totally hilarity. On second thought.......uh, no.

hometeam 03-04-2013 07:55 PM

We can, but a front office ****ing another one like that is a pretty big thing in the NFL. Its not an option at all.

tecumseh 03-04-2013 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9464565)
If this ****-o franchise FINALLY laid some "No more Mr. Nice Guy"-wood on the NFL, I would PERSONALLY go suck Reid's fat dick!
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Might be all the incentive he needs.:hmmm:

RyFo18 03-04-2013 07:59 PM

Unless he fails a physical, there's no way Dorsey sets the precedent his first year as a GM as a guy who will "back out." Terrible business.

RunKC 03-04-2013 08:01 PM

If anyone in the league deserves to be punked like that, it's Harbaugh.

His insufferable whining would be icing on the I WANT CAKE NOW cryfest.

ChiefAshhole20 03-04-2013 08:08 PM

Who better to help Geno transition into the league and deal with the pressures of being a number one pick, than a former number one pick?

Mav 03-04-2013 08:11 PM

what a stupid thread........not surpising in the least that the OP is a complete and utter tool.....

Shox 03-04-2013 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess (Post 9464463)
because it won't happen

it was a gentleman's agreement...some people have integrity

I hope Reid and Dorsey have integrity...if they agreed to the deal, they agreed to the deal.

I didn't like the deal but if they agreed to something, they agreed to something.

You are foolish.

Question: If the Bills call the 49ers and offer their 1st round pick and a 4th next year, will Alex Smith be a Chief or a Bill on March 15th?











Answer: A BUFFALO BILL

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-04-2013 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9465139)
what a stupid thread........not surpising in the least that the OP is a complete and utter tool.....

You're next, troll.
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Mav 03-04-2013 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Dick Willie (Post 9465243)
You're next, troll.
Posted via Mobile Device

whatever you say flip flopper. 24 hours ago you were done with this pathetic franchise, blah blah blah. shut your face.

TimeForWasp 03-04-2013 08:38 PM

Should sign all the Smiths we can this year. How many Smiths are out there?

Sorter 03-04-2013 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsNow (Post 9465285)
Should sign all the Smiths we can this year. How many Smiths are out there?

Brad Smith?

jspchief 03-04-2013 08:40 PM

If AZ called and offered the 49ers a 1st for ASmith today, would SF hesitate to break their handshake deal with us?

Mav 03-04-2013 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsNow (Post 9465285)
Should sign all the Smiths we can this year. How many Smiths are out there?

Troy Smith is available.

TimeForWasp 03-04-2013 08:41 PM

Shaun Geno and we have Alex

Mav 03-04-2013 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9465294)
If AZ called and offered the 49ers a 1st for ASmith today, would SF hesitate to break their handshake deal with us?

i believe so. You dont want to do that to someone. No one would ever deal with the 49ers again.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 03-04-2013 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 9465057)
What kind of bullshit is showing someone ropes?

I believe a mast and a strong head wind is involved.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 03-04-2013 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 9464873)
I'm sure AJ Green was pissed playing with a rookie Qb from TCu and an OC from the ****ing Arena League. JFC.

Cool

Dave Lane 03-04-2013 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9464301)
That's evil ****ing genious!

Make it happen Clarks.

I totally agree but no way Reid does that. Not one chance in seven hells.

Lex Luthor 03-04-2013 08:48 PM

There's no reason to back out of this trade. If the Chiefs draft Geno Smith with the #1 overall pick, they'll be set at quarterback next year AND for the next decade after that. They'll be positioned to win immediately with Alex Smith and later with Geno Smith.

We all thought Reid and Dorsey were idiots. It could well turn out that we'll all be calling them geniuses after the draft.

The Redskins gave up two first round picks, a second round pick, and a fourth round pick for RG3 and Kirk Cousins. We could give up a first round pick and two second round picks for Geno Smith and Alex Smith.

Sounds like a plan that isn't even far-fetched when you look at it that way.


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