Chiefs hope to keep Dorsey
 

Chiefs hope to keep Dorsey, but Starks tag could complicate things

Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2013, 10:08 AM EST

Five years ago, the Chiefs picked defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey with the fifth overall selection in the draft.

The next year, the 4-3 interior lineman saw the Chiefs install a 3-4 defense.

And while the Chiefs are sticking with a 3-4 defense under new coach Andy Reid, they hope to keep Dorsey on the roster.

But here’s the problem, from the Chiefs’ perspective. The removal of Dolphins defensive tackle Randy Starks from the open market via the franchise tag is expected to result in more interest in Dorsey.

Unless a new deal is done between Dorsey and the Chiefs in the next two days, Dorsey will be able to explore the open market, via his agent talking to the teams.

I already moved on from him.

I'd be happy with this as long as the price is right.

Poe and Jackson as the ends and Dorsey in the middle.

2 year 7-8 million total.

It would be worth just to stop the Star at #1 nonsense.

Well........bye

I can't imagine the Falcons don't take a long look. Their run D sucks and he would help that a ton...

See.

The Chiefs do not want to invest the #1 overall in the DE spot Dorsey vacated.

We've heard the Chiefs want to keep him. We've heard the Chiefs want to bring in Chris Canty.

Take all 3-4 DEs off your 1.1 shortlist, folks.

If Dorsey is wanting to be a 2-gap DE, then he should just stick with us.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing Dorsey leave.

He's been a disappointment in terms of not living up to his draft selection...of course that's not entirely his fault, but still it is what it is. He can stop the run...that's about it, this team needs DL that can get to the QB. That's the only way this team will be a top 5 unit

If Dorsey was drafted in the fourth round, wouldn't you think differently about him?

You don't sign or draft players for what they've done, you sign them based on what they can do.

New information...i thought he was as good as gone.

the CoMo has spoken. Dorsey, get that contract done. Don't let Glenn leave Arrowhead drive.

yeah, dorsey really doesn't fit in a 3-4. definitely doesnt fit in a 1 gap.

Aren't we going to a 1 gap system? Or will we mix it up? Anyone know if all three down linemen in the base front are 1 gap with Sutton, or if he mixes it up? What's his most common base alignment (are the ends lined up at the 5, or in the gaps?) and for nickel and dime?

The answer to those questions can help us try to predict what mid to late rounders we will likely target.

I'm cool with keeping him for the right money, he'll never be what was hoped, but he still has a place in the league.

He's been a solid citizen here and will be decent depth.

FWIW, I seem to remember Mitch and Lenny saying on a broadcast that Dorsey was a good teammate with good work ethic and one of the better attitudes in the locker room.

With his leg issues, I doubt the guy gets a big payday.

four years of this and you are still barking about how Dorsey is magically should be plugged in as a NT in a 34

news flash, Glenn Dorsey will never and can not be a NT in a 34. Sorry to bust your dream bubble but after 4 years you'd think these stupid magical positional switch ideas would flame out

I was going to make a LNBS thread last night about Bob Newhart and the 3-4. Looking at history and various alignments in his short stead as DC in New York.

He's all over the place. The guy has coached everything. Seems to be a jack of all trades but a master of none.

The good news is expect the Chiefs to mix shit up to keep offenses off guard. Whether those change-ups are any good is a different story.

This. Totally this.

I've never said he should be a 2 gap nose, but I have said for that long that he should be tried as a 1gap nose. I've said since 2010 (when there was a chance we would have been able to hire Wade Phillips as the dc, but his cowboys won a playoff game and he was kept for another year) that we should have been running a 1 gap attacking 3-4 and that Dorseys skill set coming out of college fits the requirement of that position.

I don't care if you disagree.

This will be the first year that it's actually possible.

If Dorsey can't win 1 on 1's against RGs playing the 3, there is no way he wins double teams playing a shaded 1 in a 1-gap as a NT. It isn't happening.

Too risky to draft QB first round lets draft DL instead.

Said the last 30 years

but no you people don't understand -- dorsey is out qbotf he just needs some time

Our DL busts over the last few years are freaking sad.

I bet JJ Watt could play any position. The scheme bullshit gets tired.

JJ Watt would be an exceptional nickel/dime corner IMO.

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT MAN/gruden

We need DL that get to the QB and collapse the pocket

Dorsey doesn't do that, and hasn't since he's been here regardless of scheme.

I guess your dumbass needs more time....5 yrs def isn't long enough for you to determine that Dorsey hasn't been shit in the NFL.

Your right....sign him for 5 more years...he needs more time to develop!!!

Dorsey can't stay on the field long enough to be worth a damn.

That's great and all...but you have to produce on the field.

Dorsey is a bust. I can't believe people are still trying to deny it. JFC...

Glenn Dorsey? Well..........

Na i dont want Dorsey back. I dont consider him a bust because he was out of position

Since any down can become a passing down these day and Dorsey is worthless on passing downs, Dorsey can become worthless on any down.

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Sam Montgomery

he's a bust cause he's playing in the wrong system as a 3-4 defensive end when he's clearly a 4-3 defensive tackle.

Wrong.

FUGGING A! He looks mean as hell. Give me him.

I've always said he's a valuable run defender. Not a lot of guys can 2-gap as well as he can.

He's probably better against the run than any other DL we have.

Dorsey just can't rush the passer. Given his explosiveness in college he should have been able to, but that ability never translated. I wonder if he ever recovered from that leg injury.

Probably not. He's never looked explosive in the NFL for a full game.

I remember that we supposedly got through steal of the draft that year.

I'm not sure what the **** you are saying. :thumb:

That's the reason that Boss keeps hanging onto the 1-gap NT dream.

Dorsey's initial quick explosive burst at the snap while at LSU was as disruptive as any D-Lineman in college in the last ten years.

If he still had that burst, he'd be ideal as a 1-gap nose.

But he doesn't, so it's a lost dream.

Are those skills gone due to injury, or have they just been numbed after 3 years of being coached that his responsibility is to hold his ground and let the guys behind him make the play? I think if he gets a year to play in our new scheme, he will start to show very promising signs by years end.

If we are moving to a 1gap system, as has been reported, and the staff says they'd like to bring Dorsey back...they obviously think he can be effective in it.

When he played the 3 tech in subs, he was inadequate. I can't see how he'd be better playing a 0 or shade.

Warren Sapp still calls the 3-4 years in Oakland his worst time in the NFL.

It's because his speed, quickness, athleticism and get off were wasted.

If we can get Glenn back on a "show me" short term deal, it could be an extremely high reward and low risk.

I doubt anyone else is willing to offer him a substantial contract at this point...it's worth the risk.

Im sure Glenn Dorsey will be signed tomorrow if he signs at all with us, he might wana go to Chicago on a short deal or Tampa

My guess is he goes to NO.

I don't disagree with offering Dorsey a contract; it ensures continuity and at the very least enables KC a solid run stopper. That being said, he'll never be an effective pass rusher, whether from the 0,1,2,3,4, or 5 tech. He just isn't good at it. His speed, quickness, athleticism, pass rush skills weren't wasted previously. He was given ample opportunities to show he could rush the passer from various techniques and he failed.

If you want to keep him as a 1 down player on a vet min contract to hold up against the run on 2nd down (the majority of teams throw on 1st down IIRC), that's fine. To expect him to turn into a hand-fighting, explosive, pressure machine from the 0/1 tech is entirely different.

Tim Tebow to TE!

I can't believe there are still dumbasses who don't understand what a 2 gap DL is instructed to do, much less that Dorsey did exactly as he was instructed to very, very well.

I thought we fired this moron after he traded away our entire draft for Alex Smith?

Heard that Dorsey was gonna retire "to spend more time with his family and finally get his degree."

I don't know why he would re-sign here for cheap...didn't he void a year of his deal? I saw that we have 3.5 million in dead money this year from him...I figured that was due to a void.

Rather have Canty or Jenkins at this point. When Dorsey was out I didnt see any noticeable difference with his replacement, Pituouluolioli or WTF his name is.

Esto.

Agreed.

can't believe there are still dumbasses who don't understand that after 1st down, we change from the 2 gap 34 into a pass rush nickel or dime formation and Tyson Jackson and Glenn Dorsey still could not get a pass rush in a pass rush package.

Glenn has been nothing more than just a guy in KC. He has never been special in any way. If he leaves, good for him. I wouldn't overpay for him in any way.

I've felt bad for him. He could be a great DT in a 4-3.

This isn't his scheme. He wants to rush the passer and push upfield.

I hope we do let him go and I wish him well...

What else did you see in the land of make believe?

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Gonna be a good night!

He COULD have been a great 4-3 DT IF his knees weren't junk. Unfortunately he is a shell of what he was in college. He could never recover from that knee injury he sustained at LSU.
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Sapp was washed up when he got to oak.
It was pretty well established right after we drafted Dorsey that he never played the same technique as Sapp at LSU. He actually played mostly a 2 gap scheme believe it or not.
He wasn't shooting gaps, he was just mauling the guy in front of him. That skill didn't translate.
That said, I hope we offer him something. Hes a hell of a run stopper and maybe he does better in a one gap but its not as if he didn't get a chance in other packages.

LSU had him 1 and 2 gapping. Watch some YouTube videos from his college days and you WILL see him shoot gaps.

He may not still have the explosion he had back then, but to say he only 2gapped at lsu is wrong...but most of the time, he was indeed a 2 gap defender.

Anything to prevent DL in round one

I hope we re-sign him, he seems like a great person, well liked by his peers, and he does his job well on the field

not really