Let's say the Chiefs land 2 2nds. How would you grade these moves back into the 1st?
Chiefs trade away Branden Albert for a 2nd rounder, which gives them a pick in the middle of the 2nd.
Chiefs trade down from 1.1 to 1.4 with the Eagles, giving them a 2nd rounder atop the round. That gives the Chiefs: 1st rounder (1.4) 2a 2b 3a 3b (compensatory -- untradeable) 4 5 6a 6b 7 So let's say an attractive player starts falling in the first, and the Chiefs package some of these picks to make a move. How would you grade it, based on the player? Poll to come. It will take a few minutes. Edit: I forgot to mention the Chiefs went with Joeckel or Fisher with the 1st pick. |
You are starting wayyyy too many threads.
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1.1 to 1.4 only nets you 2.4?
And you end up losing Albert, no QBotF, and a replacement for Albert that won't upgrade the position after getting your first #1 pick in the draft. Hmmmmmm.... F |
Don't like it, need more compensation if they want Geno.
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I'd rather stay in the 2nd and draft Arthur Brown and one of the safeties/WR
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Don't trade Albert
**** a peedonk 2nd |
Too many what if draft threads. Waste of time and energy. 23 more days and this crap will be over.
Just plan on keeping Albert and drafting Fisher to man RT position. We'll get Tyler Wilson in the 3rd and linebackers in 4,5,6,7 |
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I'm not a big fan of trading back up into the first round this year. I gave unenthusiastic Bs to the Werner and Eifert possibilities and Ds or Fs to all the others.
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You don't get 2nds without trading 1.1 and/or Albert. It's fail all around because you are hitching your wagon to a shitty QB, who couldn't have been asked to do any less than he was asked of from Harbaugh, who's only completed 25% of the seasons he's started. |
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Should we have more threads where CP members are calling each other out? More threads about the Cardinals? Any thread that is a good topic regarding the Chiefs on a Chiefs board sounds good to me. Call me crazy. Back to the topic... I know given his size and Dex he's not necessarily a need for us but if we trade back into the first to get WRs (some others on this list), I'd rather it just be Tavon Austin. I don't care that he's short. He's a special talent. |
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Franchise QB for S? F. Franchise QB for WR? F. Franchise QB for OLB? F. Franchise QB for DE? F. Franchise QB for TE? F. etc... |
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I think you'd definitely grade a "LT for franchise QB" as an A. But substitute "franchise QB" with Alex Smith, and "LT" with Branden Albert, and I'm sure you would grade it differently. |
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I'm going to paraphrase what has been asked of Alex Smith the last 2 years in SF... "Alex... Please don't **** this up!" Your "Franchise QB" ladies and gentlemen. |
More people need to select this option!!! PBJ
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The franchise has clearly made him their QB for the current and intermediate and perhaps longterm future. Seems to fit that definition. |
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I was mad too at first so don't take this as me celebrating the move. Certainly that wasn't the case. But I've gotten over it by now. What else can I do? Don't feel like quitting on the team. Two years ago I think we'd all say Joe Flacco was around the 12th or so best QB in the league. Some might say lower. Look at him now. That's clearly not the case. What's the point? The point is that QBs roles and positions are constantly in flux and being evaluated. The top 5 QBs in the game today won't be the same list 3 years from now. I'm not predicting Alex Smith will ever be in that league. But certainly he's middle of the pack. 15th or so. mediocre. Agreed. Lets see if he progresses from his last two years or if he slides. While I want the Chiefs to win a SB, right now I just want to see if they can get in the playoffs and win a game first. I don't have much if any memories of the Chiefs the last time that happened. |
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I guess I'll be bitter until the last 30 years of Chiefs logic proves the world wrong. |
Alex Smith is a huge upgrade over Cassel, thats the bottom line.
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I would expect someone that doesn't understand what happens when you move from 1.1 to 1.4 to have a headache, requiring a face palm. |
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So from what I'm reading, Chiefsplanet doesn't like trading up. I voted mid to low grades for positions I don't feel we need as much help in. And higher grades for specific players that also fit specific needs. I don't think you trade up for any BPA unless it also fills a hole. WR is a huge hole, so I voted high grades for Patterson, and Allen. I also gave a higher grade for Margus Hunt because I really, really like him, and we need help on the D-Line.
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That's not Alex Smith. He's a "franchise QB" in the sense that he's mediocre but good enough for your team to remain "respectable" at 8-8 but you have yet to hit on a Colin Kaepernick. |
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Hmm I'll chime in finally on this whole debate
I don't know which Alex smith will be showing up to KC from SF I do know he will have a gigantic chip on his shoulder! Reminds me a lot of Gannon with us. Not an elite qb does what he needed to do wins games replaced by the elite qb (lol no) Grbac. Goes to raiders with a supposed genious with qbs. Over achieves or was it there all along leads that team to conference championship and eventually super bowl game. How do we know which Alex smith is coming here shouldn't we at least give him a chance before we pass judgement? For that matter how do we know chase can't be elite maybe he hasn't gotten an opportunity yet.? Payton and Reid are friends maybe Payton said pick up chase he's ready for an opportunity he won't ever get that here with breese. We just don't know guys now should we still draft a qb I say yes sorry stanzi unless u blew the chiefs away at your interview or evaluation you unfortunately are expendable. Who is that qb I'm not sure I'm currious bout Tyler Wilson would have been a top first round pick last year. Maybe with some work he can be that eventual franchise qb who knows. I also like the kid from duke late. he will go late cause he went to duke but a lot of similarities to Peyton manning there. Or Reid and Dorsey could be playing possum all along and draft geno. I don't think this will happen but these guys did draft successors when they still had starting caliber qbs on the roster. Who knows guys we need to patient before we pass judgement patience is a virtue. |
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:hmmm: what if gaz starts to fall
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ROFL ROFL ROFL So damn delusional. Good lord.
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That's not the point. Playing it safe, like the Chiefs have, gets you 19 years of playoff win free football. |
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This is what I'm having trouble figuring out. You go from "he needs to be the franchise's guy" to "he needs to be the franchise's guy for the foreseeable future and also will his team to victories" to "he needs to be the franchise's guy for the foreseeable future and also have the potential will his team to victories." We could go on and on here, but you're carving a description of franchise QBs so thin in order to somehow discern one Smith from the other, you're starting to pretzel. |
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We KNOW Alex Smith is NOT what everyone on the ****ing planet would consider a "franchise QB." We do NOT know that about Geno Smith. He is an unknown. If he flops then move on and look for the next possible franchise QB. Don't ****ing trade for a known POS. |
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That's not fair or admirable behavior either, but it's going to ****ing happen if that hypothetical scenario comes true. That's how this forum works. Get used to it. |
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There are 3 scenarios: 1) They draft Geno. 2) They draft someone else like Joekel. 3) They trade down and pick up someone like Fisher. If scenario 1 happens the bitching will stop because I'll feel like this franchise actually cares about winning a SB by ATTEMPTING to fill the QB position with legitimate potential. If scenario's 2 and 3 happen I'll be less inclined to give a **** about what happens with the Chiefs and be more invested in baseball. |
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I fully expect the Chiefs to not draft Geno. I've even practically guaranteed it, if I haven't fully guaranteed it. |
and I wouldn't move up if this is all we can get, stay put and select best available at 2a,2b,3a,3b
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Case and point is the argument that the Geno supporters see him as can't miss. A few may say that, but most just like his upside. The truth, as you pointed out, is both sides are going to have cock suckers no matter which way it ends up. People ask how anyone can talk about Geno being great as an absolute and turn around only to say he won't be great as an absolute. Their is hypocrisy on both sides. The war has probably only started. This season, no matter how Alex and Geno play, both sides are going to manipulate the situation. |
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Same thing will happen with Alex Smith. A decent amount of this board is on the "I don't love Alex but we will see" boat. I have never liked the guy, but I am not going to throw those guys under the bus if Alex doesn't work out and say "He wasn't the great QB you thought he was". That is going to happen from both sides no matter how this ends up though. That's what SNR was saying, and I agree. |
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This all depends if Albert is playing LT or RT.
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