Expectations for Fisher
 

So, we took the best LT available in the entire draft. Looks to be a good pick.


What are the expectations for him, year 1? By year 2? Year 5?

Depending on what they do with Albert will make a difference, but assuming they trade Albert.

Pro bowl player for several years.

Love it that he said his goal this year was to be a rookie in the pro bowl.

Pro Bowler, Chiefs Ring of Fame and eventually HOF. Can't wait to see this guy destroy defenses.

He's obviously the piece that the Chiefs needed for a Super Bowl run

All Pro by his second year, franchise tagged once his first contract is up, traded after tagged.

:thumb:

He better be a HOF player to justify the pick. Lane Johnson will end up being a better tackle in my opinion and I think Jeckel will likely bust.

I expect him to be an instant upgrade to Albert at LT, a top 10 LT day 1, and an all pro by year 2 or 3.

May have been the worst 1.1 pick in 5-6 years.

Significantly better than Matt Kalil was last year.

You think he is that good or that is your expectation given where the pick occurred?

Best LT in football. Better than Joekl, better than Johnson. He better be a ****ing stud.

Little bit of both.


Based on what the FO is telling us about the guy, expectations should be high. Combined with where he was picked, I don't think thats a stretch at all.

My expectations are that he'll be fine but nothing mind-blowing. He won't be Jordan Black, but he won't be Jonathan Ogden, either.

That sounds good.

He needs to lock down the LT spot for 10 years. We shouldn't have to worry about looking for a LT for a while.

Day one starter who looks like he's been there before. Lowest sacks allowed on the team. He should be able to move fast to block downfield on screens. Anchor this offensive line for 10+ seasons.

Pillar of Chiefs teams for the next 7-10 years.

I expect him to play all positions on the line, at once, and block the entire front seven of the opposing D all by himself.

If he busts, it will arguably be worse than a Qb bust would have been for us.

We will have traded away a LT we know can play the spot and then have to find another LT.

A solid but not outstanding OT. He's not going to be confused for Willie Roaf anytime soon.

He has to be in the top 5 at his position by the start of year 3.

I predict pain.

Yep.


However, he's being billed as a plug and play type guy, so I'm expecting it to happen a bit faster than that.

:D

THIS.

So who should they have picked- Johnson? The pick is in- it is Fisher- so pouting like a whiney little bitch, neg repping people that thought it was a good pick and telling people to die in fires- isnt going to change anything.

Chiefs are in for a great year- if you don't want to be part of it- don't. Nobody needs your crybaby negative attitude on here anyway. so STFU!!

Skull**** all comers, thats what i expect.

:thumb: We are going to fun all over teams, control the clock and give our defense more than 2 minutes at a time to get a drink and catch their breath like last year.

I think Charles will put up Priest type numbers this year.

Andy Reid is going to run all over teams and control the clock? Have you ever watched football before?

What he needs to be to not be an absolute bomb of a pick - Ogden

What I expect - On a similar plane as Albert with a little more power and a little less quickness. Basically we used 1.1 on Albert when we already had Albert.

rinse and repeat

He absolutely has more upside to be much better than Albert.


I don't like this at all, but lets not get carried away.

To the right 53 watchtower..............

I remember when Jason Smith was talking about how much of a mean streak he had and how scouts and executives fell in love with him.

Fisher talked a lot about his mean streak, but one of the most consistent dings on his scouting report is a lack of a nasty demeanor and a mean streak.

He's talked a lot about how he's a mauler, but has he actually shown it?

Looks like a finesse LT to me. Similar to Jason Peters. He'll likely be an excellent pass protector and a 'meh' run blocker just based on his frame and demeanor.

Considering other than Jake Long, the other two tackles taken #1 are Hall of Famers. Wouldn't you expect that?

I expect him to have at least 15 pancake blocks this season. He should be up to 20-25 by his 3rd season in.

I think he will be worse than Albert year 1-2 hopefully gets Smiff enough time to throw that we can move on without excuses for his mediocrity.

By year 3-4 he should be as good as Albert is now with maybe a tiny bit of improvement and then after that an improvement.

So we will be worse for a few years then maybe a bit better.

Year 1 - needs to be as good as Albert by mid-season
Year 2 - Pro Bowl
Year 4 - NFL All Pro
Second Contract - Perennial All-Pro and anchor to a championship caliber line in front of a SB caliber QB.

Less than that will be disappointing and should be viewed as disappointing.

this

This.

I expect Super Bowls

Oh c'mon - Fisher is going to be much quicker than Albert.

I think some folks are really understating Fisher's potential because they don't like that we went tackle.

He's a great athlete that has plus strength for his weight (as opposed to Joeckel, who's strength is below what someone with his size should be). He's going to add a little more bulk and probably play in the 315-325 range. And while I'm with Hamas in that I'm not sure I ever see that 'mean streak' so many talk about, he's simply an incredible athlete for someone his size and his body suggests that he will be damn strong as well.

Fisher has everything you'd want in a LT apart from the mammoth frame that Ogden had. In the end, it's neither impossible or unlikely that he could end up similar to Pace in terms of size and athleticism. Pace also had amazing technique and that will be what ultimately decides Fisher's fate. If he can develop the kind of technique that Pace had, he could approach that class of tackle.

What he needs to be: A HOF LT

What Chiefs fans will be happy with: Ryan Clady

I hope he is as good as Brandon Albert in three years.

To win or help win us Super Bowls.







Is that too much to ask?

Does he? What if he only becomes about Brandon Albert level, but the Chiefs win the super bowl in 3 or 4 years?

WOuld that satisfy you?

Hamas I know this draft sucks balls, but who should the Chiefs have selected with their first pick?

Then he hasn't lived up to expectations but the team is better around him?

Exactly what ive been saying. YOu know who 31 other teams would have selected at #1? Joeckel or Fisher. This isnt some TyJack reach.

No one is saying it's a reach.


But the guy is billed as a LT worthy of the first pick. Look at the others billed as that. Therefor, he should be held to a high standard.

They better have got it right because any player that turns out to be a better pick is going make them look stupid.

i expect him to stand there and push people like OL guys do

I expect himto be worse than BA for at least 3 years. In his 4th season he will be almost as good as BA, and demand to be paid. I then expect him to be traded and for us to draft an LT at 1.1 again becuase QBs are too risky.

30 TD, 0 INT

The only thing that could derail him is injuries.

I expect him to be at least as good as Albert, and thats good enough........to win a championship, as long as all the other pieces are in place

If he can only be "Branden Albert level" then he has no business being drafted #1.

Is an asteroid taking out huge swaths of the US that I don't know about?

If he plays at a BA level, then how did spending 1.1 actually help the Chiefs win the SB?

What do you want him to do? Cure cancer? There is only so much impact a tackle can have.

Jesus. Rationalizing the pick already?

:thumb:

Charles had a Great year last year- and teams KNEW what was coming- we had ZERO passing game and some of the worst QB play of all time. Hell we tied a record for Not having a lead in a game most of the year. We ran our defense to death as well with Cashole coughing the ball up every other play.

If we get anything out of the TE position and Something out of Baldwin we should have a great offense this year- Light years better than last.

Jeez cheer up Chiefs fans- We have a great team this year!!

I really should just macro a response.

If they didn't want a QB, I thought the best player in the draft was Jarvis Jones.

Edit: There were close to ten player I would have been satisfied with.

heh, no...just laughing at you guys who expect every top pick to be able to perform miracles.

If he helps turn the franchise around, but only becomes a good, but not transcendent player, he was still worth it. Examples: Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins

I'm not satisfied with that. If all he can be is Albert, WTF are we doing? You don't trade a good known player for an unknown (from Central Michigan no less) and 1.1. We would have been far better off to pay Albert and go fill some other hole if all we're going to end up with is Albert.

He needs to be better than Brandon Albert level.

Though I certainly take exception to the folks around here that are arguing that he can't be.

Albert was a technical wreck, we all realize that - right? I mean Albert's a good tackle, but he's in that 8-10 range with a lot of other good tackles.

Do people really not believe that Fisher is capable of being a hell of a lot better than that? There is literally no single area where Albert is physically a better prospect than Fisher. Albert managed to get by through some of the most unconventionally effective blocking you'll ever see. He's the Dominick Hasek of left-tackles; you would never teach anyone to do what he does.

And while that made him effective, it also limited his ceiling somewhat.

Fisher's is well beyond Albert's and I truly do believe Fisher will prove to be Albert's equal by mid-season.

Guys, Fisher is a really really good prospect. Someone please tell me what it is they see in this kid that makes them think that he's 3-4 years removed from being a top 10 LT in this league?

If he is, the pick is an unqualified failure. I don't think that will be the case.

So basically you just don't care how he does and you'll be happy regardless.

Maybe I'm higher on Albert than you guys are, but Albert is pretty ****ing good.

Tony Boselli good.

I'm curious as to what expectations can be made?

It would seem logical that he starts game 1 and blocks well.

1) plow a hole for JC to tear through
2) keep Alex on his feet while in the pocket

No, of course not. I hope he becomes a top player of course. I just realize hes only one piece of the puzzle. Team game.

Whereas I think trading away Branden Albert to draft the next Branden Albert 15 spots higher isn't a very smart way of running a franchise. I'd like to think he can be more than that. I mean seriously, shouldn't the Pro Bowl be a minimum floor for a #1 overall pick? I don't think you can expect anyone to be a hall of famer, but what's the point of drafting a guy at #1 if it isn't to get one of the best players in the league at his position? How exactly is that desire unrealistic?

And I'm told over and over how great this new front office is. So if it turns out that he isn't better than either Joeckel or Johnson, that's going to be a major disappointment.

LMAO

He is, I agree.

But he's not great. His ceiling isn't great. Fisher's is.

You focus on Albert's quickness. Here's all I can do to highlight the difference in their respective athleticism:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/pictu...pictureid=1349

Fisher is bigger, he's stronger, he's faster, he's quicker, he's more explosive. He is, across the board, a significantly better athlete than Brandon Albert. In many instances it isn't even a close question.

Fisher can truly be a Joe Thomas type of tackle. Now I will listen all day to people that want to debate the value of an elite LT in the modern NFL - it's a legitimate argument.

But this crybaby bullshit from folks that are moping about like there's no way Fisher can ever approach the performance that we got from Albert is just silly. Fisher can be, should be, and in my opinion will be a significantly better all-around LT than Brandon Albert.

Pulling shotgun... out of mouth...

Who has the longer arms?

Albert or Fisher?

Some of you need to leaf through your Geno Smith scrapbooks and find your favorite photo of him, and beat off to it until you're spent.

Maybe you'll finally feel better, or at least surfeited.

I expect Fisher had better throw at least 3 TD's per game and avg about 250 yards as well.

Fisher by a hair under an inch; 34 1/2 to 33 5/8

Not an insignificant amount when looking for a LT, though not a deal-breaker kindof issue either. Fisher's are slightly above average, Albert's slightly below.