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Anyong Bluth 07-28-2013 07:04 PM

So? Junior Hemingway....
 
Seems like the guy is quite the buzz on the twitter updates from the guys out watching training camp....

Just curious on what people's impressions are on the guy? Good or Bad- as I didn't follow him at all in Michigan, and he was rather under the radar as our 7th rounder & practice squad guy last year if I'm not mistaken?

Discuss...


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ColinBarton23 07-28-2013 07:05 PM

Don't know much about this guy, but he's been having a good training camp!

Rausch 07-28-2013 07:10 PM

I want him and Wylie to get every opportunity to show what they've got.

Anyong Bluth 07-28-2013 07:10 PM

Seems to me like he may not have burning speed, he does seem to do well with his route running and his change of direction is a + and may be a good reciever to run the double moves and stop-n-go moves?

Maybe some people that watched B1G football or Mich fans can weigh in? I'm just a bit curious because while I haven't seen him eyes on- but it does seem like everyone giving camp updates has taken notice.

jspchief 07-28-2013 07:10 PM

Baldwin tore up last year's training camp. Just saying.

Hammock Parties 07-28-2013 07:10 PM

Can't be worse than Baldwin.

TambaBerry 07-28-2013 07:11 PM

He was really good in college at catching Denards crappy throws. I feel like he excelled in catching the ball in traffic. I think he sticks and sees the field some.

Mr. Arrowhead 07-28-2013 07:12 PM

He prolly has the best hands on the team, he just to work on getting open

Mr. Laz 07-28-2013 07:14 PM

love when we picked him in the draft


Has the physical skills to achieve in the NFL imo

keg in kc 07-28-2013 07:15 PM

I think he has the capacity to be very, very good, but he doesn't have a prototypical receiver body type. He's got more of a runningback build. At least he did at Michigan. He's definitely got gamebreaking ability, he's deceptively fast, but he'll take some coaching.

Anyong Bluth 07-28-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

20-yard and 60-yard shuttles
In the "short shuttle," players straddle a yard line, run 5 yards in one direction, then 10 yards in the other direction, then 5 yards back to their original starting position. They must touch the ground at each stop except the last.

In the "long shuttle," players run 5 yards, then back to the starting point, then run 10 yards and back to the starting spot, then 15 yards and back to the starting spot, again touching the ground at each stop but the last.

With running backs, quickness is king. A back's burst can be measured through the shuttle run. The Titans' Javon Ringer is a good example of a player who drew interest because of his performance in the shuttle run. Ringer didn't run as fast as some other backs in the 40 at the 2009 combine, but his quickness negated that score and Tennessee fell in love.

» Top 20-yard shuttle results at combine since 2006 | 60-yard shuttle

3-cone drill
This drill sets cones five yards apart, forming a right angle. Players run back and forth between the first two cones, touching the ground near both. Then they run around the second cone, weave inside the third cone and around the outside of both top cones back to the stating point. Fluid completion of this drill is a sight to see for any coach or scout.

The shuttles and the 3-cone drill display the athleticism crucial to being a quality football player. The speed of the game at the pro level is such that fluid lateral movement and the ability to quickly change direction are critical. In some cases, good times in this drill can trump poor 40 times when it comes to how coaches view certain prospects.
So, not straight away burner speed, but he does seem to test out as a guy that moves very well and lose very little speed when changing directions- I think with his size and weight he could be a quality target as he seems to be rather sure-handed, and a great possession+ guy which fits right into Smith's wheelhouse since he tends to throw short to intermediate routes as a majority.

Trevo_410 07-28-2013 07:18 PM

The guy has that "natural bend" you want in a contributing wide receiver.














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AustinChief 07-28-2013 07:20 PM

Two things I remember most from his days at Michigan : he was an amazing downfield blocker and would fight for the ball in traffic.

jspchief 07-28-2013 07:20 PM

Pessimism aside, he seemed like a good receiver at Michigan. Don't really know why he dropped as far as he did.

Mr. Laz 07-28-2013 07:29 PM

Anquan Boldin-ish

JoeyChuckles 07-28-2013 07:32 PM

Anyong

CoMoChief 07-28-2013 07:35 PM

the next Jerry Rice

Ace Gunner 07-28-2013 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9841885)
Two things I remember most from his days at Michigan : he was an amazing downfield blocker and would fight for the ball in traffic.

this. pretty much zero explosiveness out of cuts (which is why he wasn't drafted early), but he's quick off the ball, decent hands and scrappy. gonna need to work it hard to stay on this roster.

Anyong Bluth 07-28-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeyChuckles (Post 9841919)
Anyong

Hello

Anyong Bluth 07-28-2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls (Post 9841944)
this. pretty much zero explosiveness out of cuts (which is why he wasn't drafted early), but he's quick off the ball, decent hands and scrappy. gonna need to work it hard to stay on this roster.

Good contribution- I still love that he's a tenacious run blocker and a guy not afraid to mix it up in traffic to get the ball or at tge very least look out for his qb and prevent a pick- bodes well for a guy with a knack of catching a free for all jump ball against dbs.

T-post Tom 07-28-2013 08:20 PM

Would only be good if Geno Smith were throwing him the ball. / CP

ClevelandBronco 07-28-2013 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 9841885)
Two things I remember most from his days at Michigan : he was an amazing downfield blocker...

That could come into play if you guys decide to get downfield this season for a change.

Dave Lane 07-28-2013 08:30 PM

This guy could be the next Fredex

nychief 07-28-2013 08:40 PM

"For whom the ball tolls"

gblowfish 07-28-2013 08:43 PM

Hope he's better than Derrick Alexander....

T-post Tom 07-28-2013 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 9842078)
"For whom the ball tolls"

Robert Jordan agrees, but Andy Reid prefers "The Old Man and the Sea of Red".

Sfeihc 07-28-2013 08:50 PM

STUD

OrtonsPiercedTaint 07-28-2013 09:09 PM

Maybe he can rotate off and on the 53/PS, like DV would do with his TC WR heros.

bigjosh 07-28-2013 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tambaberry (Post 9841866)
He was really good in college at catching Denards crappy throws. I feel like he excelled in catching the ball in traffic. I think he sticks and sees the field some.

i was mad when he didnt make the team last year. he is a good reciever. he was handicapped by playing in a option system, or maybe thats an advantage because he can block like a monster.

Shaid 07-29-2013 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9841909)
Anquan Boldin-ish

If this is the comparison, sign me up.

Discuss Thrower 07-29-2013 02:53 AM

Up in Michigan you can find several locations that fit the bill of a Clean Well Lighted Place. Kansas City isn't an arctic clime, certainly, but in the winter the precipitation rivals that of the Snows of Kilimanjaro.

DTLB58 07-29-2013 04:03 AM

Good size. They said he was already not rounding off his routes anymore.
Two days ago Reid stopped the entire practice just to coach him up.

Lets hope. :D

DTLB58 07-29-2013 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9841863)
Baldwin tore up last year's training camp. Just saying.

You can't compare every single player in he NFL that has a good TC to Baldwin :rolleyes:

DTLB58 07-29-2013 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9841878)
I think he has the capacity to be very, very good, but he doesn't have a prototypical receiver body type. He's got more of a runningback build. At least he did at Michigan. He's definitely got gamebreaking ability, he's deceptively fast, but he'll take some coaching.

He is 6' 1" 225
There are a lot of WR's in this league that are 6'0" or shorter.
Yeah, he is a notch below Bowe and Baldwin but if he has the passion to be a great WR and works at it... His body size will not hold him back. He is plenty big enough.

frankotank 07-29-2013 06:37 AM

hemingway is actually really good. but at michigan he didn't really have a throwing QB. robinson tried. he improved a little in the passing game, but he just wasn't a good throwing QB and his receivers suffered for it.
this guy is gonna be very interesting to watch.
wonder how he'll be in a few years.

Iowanian 07-29-2013 08:29 AM

He's almost as good as Victor Bailey.

BigCatDaddy 07-29-2013 08:40 AM

Another fine pick by Pioli.

ptlyon 07-29-2013 08:43 AM

Hemingway will rape faces. With New England.

Iowanian 07-29-2013 09:09 AM

He's Chocolate Sean LaChapelle!

ptlyon 07-29-2013 09:11 AM

Quick-twitched is an intangible

BlackHelicopters 07-29-2013 09:50 AM

He's no Terrance Copper

ndws 07-29-2013 09:55 AM

Hemingway looked good in camp last year, or so I thought. Jamar Newsome also showed some promise in last year's camp...but like it was mentioned about, Baldwin looked incredible and that didn't pan out. Can't say much about this year, too many irons in the fire to sneak away to watch.

keg in kc 07-29-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9842386)
He is 6' 1" 225
There are a lot of WR's in this league that are 6'0" or shorter.
Yeah, he is a notch below Bowe and Baldwin but if he has the passion to be a great WR and works at it... His body size will not hold him back. He is plenty big enough.

I wasn't intending that to come across as a negative. Basically I was just mentioning that when you look at him, he looks like a running back. He's not a small guy at all. I think it's actually a good thing, he's really solidly built.

I think I mentioned that he's deceptively fast. He's a 4.5 guy that, at least in college, played like he had 4.4 speed, on the rare occasions where he had well-thrown passes to work with and an avenue to accelerate away from the defense. He made some insane catches (he had to with Denard Robinson throwing to him...), and as others have mentioned he was good in traffic and blocked well. The only thing I would wonder about is his route running, but it's more of a "they ran a shitty system, he had a shitty QB that should've been a HB, and I think he probably had shitty coaching" than a "dude can't run routes" comment.

This vid shows him off pretty well:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/0I4KhrAsb00?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I almost think of him like he's the anti-Dex.

saphojunkie 07-29-2013 12:24 PM

Damn, he has a great sense of spacial awareness. If he can get any kind of separation, then he should be productive. Just remember that Hines Ward couldn't outrun the mascot. I'm hoping hard for this guy. I love players who have great vision.

allen_kcCard 07-29-2013 12:40 PM

Hah, very end of the video has a bottom line about Reid returning to the Eagles for his 14th season. Couple years later and now Reid is coaching him up in TC.

RealSNR 07-29-2013 12:48 PM

Definitely looks like he could/should be a huge contributor for this team, but until it happens I'm not going to hold my breath.

It's one thing to say, "The guy just needs to learn how to beat the press" and another thing to see him do it consistently. If it were easy, there would be Hines Wards popping up everywhere on every team nearly every offseason.

Thig Lyfe 07-29-2013 01:20 PM

He's no Sippio.

KCinNY 07-29-2013 02:52 PM

Marginally talented, "try hard" guy on the practice squad.

For whatever reason, this fan base loves irrelevant players like him.

BigCatDaddy 07-29-2013 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KCinNY (Post 9843210)
Marginally talented, "try hard" guy on the practice squad.

For whatever reason, this fan base loves irrelevant players like him.

It's called Joe Horn Syndrome.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-29-2013 03:52 PM

Eh, why not?

OrtonsPiercedTaint 07-29-2013 03:53 PM

This is Mark Bradley's year, finally.

Mr. Laz 07-29-2013 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCinNY (Post 9843210)
Marginally talented, "try hard" guy on the practice squad.

For whatever reason, this fan base loves irrelevant players like him.

It's why we like you

irrelevant
marginal

wish you would try a little harder

saphojunkie 07-29-2013 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCinNY (Post 9843210)
Marginally talented, "try hard" guy on the practice squad.

For whatever reason, this fan base loves irrelevant players like him.

Because when that guy hits, it's amazing. And we all know that deep down, there is at least one player on this team who never saw the field last year and would have been a starter if we had better coaching and management. There's at least one.

HIChief 07-29-2013 05:56 PM

All I know is my hands are bigger than his.


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