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gblowfish 08-06-2013 09:16 AM

A Sad Story: Why Can't People Leave Harmless Animals Alone?
 
I read this story on the front page of the KC Star this morning. I drive by Elmwood Cemetery on Truman Road every day on my way to work. I've seen Ella the Deer on a couple of occasions. She was more or less a "pet" inside the cemetery, and didn't harm a soul. Why somebody would shoot this gentle, beautiful animal for no reason is beyond me. Why do people have to be such assholes?

Story is here:

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/05...-cemetery.html

RockChalk 08-06-2013 09:20 AM

Short answer: a lot of people are worthless pieces of shit

DMAC 08-06-2013 09:30 AM

I've been wanting to shoot the squirrels that are stealing my tomatoes.

Imon Yourside 08-06-2013 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAC (Post 9862252)
I've been wanting to shoot the squirrels that are stealing my tomatoes.

They tear up my lawn furniture, i was thinking of getting asbestos lawn furniture. That should do the trick!

LiveSteam 08-06-2013 09:43 AM

:evil:

Frazod 08-06-2013 09:48 AM

Just pretend that it happened in St. Louis. Then it will be make you happy.

WhawhaWhat 08-06-2013 09:49 AM

Ban stupid people with guns?

Imon Yourside 08-06-2013 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9862319)
Ban stupid people with guns?

I'm out on patrol looking for them now, can you give me a description?

tooge 08-06-2013 09:51 AM

Ironically, I'm making an enormous batch of venison jerky right now for a fishin trip.

Shox 08-06-2013 09:53 AM

Deer inside city limits seem very cute and nice. But, the fact is they are a danger. Many people get hurt and even killed in deer car collisions every year. Not to mention the money it costs to individuals and insurance.

The truth is the deer population needs to be thinned out.

I really can't believe this was front page news. Must be very slow in KC this time of year.

Dartgod 08-06-2013 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMAC (Post 9862252)
I've been wanting to shoot the squirrels that are stealing my tomatoes.

The little bastards are raiding my garden too.

:bang:

gblowfish 08-06-2013 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9862329)
Deer inside city limits seem very cute and nice. But, the fact is they are a danger. Many people get hurt and even killed in deer car collisions every year. Not to mention the money it costs to individuals and insurance.

The truth is the deer population needs to be thinned out.

I really can't believe this was front page news. Must be very slow in KC this time of year.

This deer was a danger to no one. She lived inside the cemetery walls, and has so since she was a fawn. This was just somebody being mean for no reason whatsoever.

Imon Yourside 08-06-2013 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9862344)
This deer was a danger to no one. She lived inside the cemetery walls, and has so since she was a fawn. This was just somebody being mean for no reason whatsoever.

What if it saved the family dog a good kicking for a week? Was it worth it then?

Eleazar 08-06-2013 10:05 AM

That cemetary is on Van Brunt, it probably just caught a stray bullet.

tooge 08-06-2013 10:06 AM

I could care less about someone killing a deer. There are too many of them and they are essentially pests. This particular one seemed to be more of a pet though. It pisses me off that they left it. If it turned out some homeless guys killed it for food, I could rationalize it, but to leave it lay is plain wrong.

Imon Yourside 08-06-2013 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 9862353)
That cemetary is on Van Brunt, it probably just caught a stray bullet.

Speaking of which, how is the gang scene in Florida?

tooge 08-06-2013 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 9862353)
That cemetary is on Van Brunt, it probably just caught a stray bullet.

Or Ella saw something she wasn't supposed to.

"Ella da deeah sleeps wit da fishes"

Shox 08-06-2013 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9862344)
This deer was a danger to no one. She lived inside the cemetery walls, and has so since she was a fawn. This was just somebody being mean for no reason whatsoever.

Where there is a fawn there is a momma deer and a big old Buc. Fawn grown up and become breedable with the big old Buc and there is another fawn. It is called the cycle of nature. In no time you will have a nice size herd of deer.

Oh and they do NOT just live in the cemetary.

gblowfish 08-06-2013 10:12 AM

This particular deer was born in the cemetery years back and her momma was hit by a car shortly thereafter. The fawn was orphaned. There's been stories about her in the paper over the past couple years. She stayed inside the cemetery walls, and wasn't a threat to anybody.

It's a shame we can't have a little sliver of humanity in a place like an old cemetery. Some asshole with a gun has to kill just to get his jollies.

Eleazar 08-06-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9862356)
Speaking of which, how is the gang scene in Florida?

Not as hopping as the 64130, but we're trying.

BigCatDaddy 08-06-2013 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9862360)
Where there is a fawn there is a momma deer and a big old Buc. Fawn grown up and become breedable with the big old Buc and there is another fawn. It is called the cycle of nature. In no time you will have a nice size herd of deer.

Oh and they do NOT just live in the cemetary.

:facepalm:

Titty Meat 08-06-2013 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9862366)
This particular deer was born in the cemetery years back and her momma was hit by a car shortly thereafter. The fawn was orphaned. There's been stories about her in the paper over the past couple years. She stayed inside the cemetery walls, and wasn't a threat to anybody.

It's a shame we can't have a little sliver of humanity in a place like an old cemetery. Some asshole with a gun has to kill just to get his jollies.

It was probably Zimmerman

Pitt Gorilla 08-06-2013 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9862322)
I'm out on patrol looking for them now, can you give me a description?

Check the mirror.

ChiTown 08-06-2013 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9862366)
This particular deer was born in the cemetery years back and her momma was hit by a car shortly thereafter. The fawn was orphaned. There's been stories about her in the paper over the past couple years. She stayed inside the cemetery walls, and wasn't a threat to anybody.

It's a shame we can't have a little sliver of humanity in a place like an old cemetery. Some asshole with a gun has to kill just to get his jollies.

I'm with you, George. Some things like this just don't make sense. People suck.

Imon Yourside 08-06-2013 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 9862376)
Check the mirror.

Is that you behind me? So it was you! You should be ashamed.

Imon Yourside 08-06-2013 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 9862370)
Not as hopping as the 64130, but we're trying.

Can you clean it up a bit down there, I'll be moving there as soon as it's done.

Steron 08-06-2013 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooge (Post 9862355)
I could care less about someone killing a deer.

Could you?

Imon Yourside 08-06-2013 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steron (Post 9862399)
Could you?

Yes and I couldn't care less about someone who could care less about killing a deer.

ThaVirus 08-06-2013 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9862329)
Deer inside city limits seem very cute and nice. But, the fact is they are a danger. Many people get hurt and even killed in deer car collisions every year. Not to mention the money it costs to individuals and insurance.

The truth is the deer population needs to be thinned out.

I really can't believe this was front page news. Must be very slow in KC this time of year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9862360)
Where there is a fawn there is a momma deer and a big old Buc. Fawn grown up and become breedable with the big old Buc and there is another fawn. It is called the cycle of nature. In no time you will have a nice size herd of deer.

Oh and they do NOT just live in the cemetary.

Read the article before commenting. Please and thank you.

Donger 08-06-2013 10:29 AM

It doesn't sound like this deer was doing any damage and was welcomed by the cemetery people. I agree with George. Just a senseless killing.

Chief_For_Life58 08-06-2013 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9862360)
Where there is a fawn there is a momma deer and a big old Buc. Fawn grown up and become breedable with the big old Buc and there is another fawn. It is called the cycle of nature. In no time you will have a nice size herd of deer.

Oh and they do NOT just live in the cemetary.

why dont you read the article you dumb ****

Chief_For_Life58 08-06-2013 10:35 AM

who are some of the famous kc people buried in Elmwood? anyone know?

Shox 08-06-2013 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 9862417)
why dont you read the article you dumb ****

I did. I understand the deer was orphaned. It would not have been stayed that way forever.

mikey23545 08-06-2013 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9862436)
I did. I understand the deer was orphaned. It would not have been stayed that way forever.

Anybody ever figure out what happened to your Momma and Daddy?

Shox 08-06-2013 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 9862441)
Anybody ever figure out what happened to your Momma and Daddy?

At least I knew who my mommy and daddy were.

BigCatDaddy 08-06-2013 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9862436)
I did. I understand the deer was orphaned. It would not have been stayed that way forever.

How many more years would it have been?

Eleazar 08-06-2013 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9862366)
This particular deer was born in the cemetery years back and her momma was hit by a car shortly thereafter. The fawn was orphaned. There's been stories about her in the paper over the past couple years. She stayed inside the cemetery walls, and wasn't a threat to anybody.

It's a shame we can't have a little sliver of humanity in a place like an old cemetery. Some asshole with a gun has to kill just to get his jollies.

As a gun owner, I would like to point out that this person, the sicko who did this, is in no way representative of the rest of us. Almost all of us are responsible and keep our firearms locked up and secure, keep the ammunition stored separately, and follow all proper safety procedures. A responsible gun owner would never discharge a firearm within the city limits, and I personally would never shoot a deer because I admire the grace and beauty of the creatures. I would only shoot a worthless animal like a cat.

Shox 08-06-2013 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9862449)
How many more years would it have been?

Probably no more than a year before it jumped out in front of your pimped out 1992 Chrysler and wiped it out and then you would have to go spend $800 on a new ride.

Imon Yourside 08-06-2013 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 9862453)
As a gun owner, I would like to point out that this person, the sicko who did this, is in no way representative of the rest of us. Almost all of us are responsible and keep our firearms locked up and secure, keep the ammunition stored separately, and follow all proper safety procedures. A responsible gun owner would never discharge a firearm within the city limits, and I personally would never shoot a deer because I admire the grace and beauty of the creatures. I would only shoot a worthless animal like a cat.

LMAO

BigCatDaddy 08-06-2013 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shox (Post 9862456)
Probably no more than a year before it jumped out in front of your pimped out 1992 Chrysler and wiped it out and then you would have to go spend $800 on a new ride.

LMAO

You're a dipshit that can't read an article or you wouldn't post stupid shit like this. Now may Bambi stick his antler up your deer piss smelling ass LMAO

"Where there is a fawn there is a momma deer and a big old Buc. Fawn grown up and become breedable with the big old Buc and there is another fawn. It is called the cycle of nature. In no time you will have a nice size herd of deer"

Iowanian 08-06-2013 10:52 AM

What a waste.


That deer could have been fed to the homeless.

Also, I think you should get out there and have a serious discussion with the wild dogs who attacked that poor creature and encourage them to modify their behavior.

Mr. Laz 08-06-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 9862243)
Short answer: a lot of people are worthless pieces of shit

this



'human nature' is pretty ****ing twisted

Titty Meat 08-06-2013 10:55 AM

She was attacked by feral dogs too? Wow that poor thing had a tough life.

gblowfish 08-06-2013 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 9862429)
who are some of the famous kc people buried in Elmwood? anyone know?

http://elmwoodcem-kc.org/

Chief_For_Life58 08-06-2013 11:08 AM

blow, i actually went to the website but didnt really search around much for it

Setsuna 08-06-2013 11:09 AM

no1curr Give animals names to humanize them. Pathetic.

Tombstone RJ 08-06-2013 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 9862453)
As a gun owner, I would like to point out that this person, the sicko who did this, is in no way representative of the rest of us. Almost all of us are responsible and keep our firearms locked up and secure, keep the ammunition stored separately, and follow all proper safety procedures. A responsible gun owner would never discharge a firearm within the city limits, and I personally would never shoot a deer because I admire the grace and beauty of the creatures. I would only shoot a worthless animal like a cat.

Cats are an domesticated animal for a reason. I have friends who have a ranch and they keep cats in the barn and those cats are absolutely vital to keeping the rats/mice/rodent populations down. I personally love cats, I think they are great but for whatever reason some people can't stand them.

As for these deer shooters, I'll bet anything it was some teenage boys. Unsupervised kids who were bored because their parents are idiots.

gblowfish 08-06-2013 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 9862522)
blow, i actually went to the website but didnt really search around much for it

Elmwood's heyday was from around 1880 to 1930.

The first mayor of KC is buried there (William Gregory) along with several other mayors and politicians, including judges and congressmen.

Families that have streets in KC named after them (Hardesty, McGee, Meyer and Gregory).

Guys who were major business people in their day: The Amour Family plot is there (Armour Meats, Armourdale area in KCK named after the family), Carl Muehlbach started Muehlbach Beer , old Blues/Municipal Stadium was first called "Muehlbach Field," Samuel Woolfe (Woolfe Brothers Clothing), Victor Spears (Spears Apple Juice and Vinegar), Morris Helzberg (Helzberg Diamonds), and Mary Atkins (Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art).

Also KC's most famous whore house madam Annie Chambers is buried there, plus KC's first black policeman, William Davis.

Imon Yourside 08-06-2013 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9862495)
She was attacked by feral dogs too? Wow that poor thing had a tough life.

Man the ferality of it.

Mr. Laz 08-06-2013 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 9862453)
As a gun owner, I would like to point out that this person, the sicko who did this, is in no way representative of the rest of us. Almost all of us are responsible and keep our firearms locked up and secure, keep the ammunition stored separately, and follow all proper safety procedures. A responsible gun owner would never discharge a firearm within the city limits, and I personally would never shoot a deer because I admire the grace and beauty of the creatures. I would only shoot a worthless animal like a cat.

conflicting messages here

Imon Yourside 08-06-2013 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 9862586)
conflicting messages here

Not really, cats are worthless.

gblowfish 08-06-2013 11:48 AM

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This is a picture of Ella the Deer from this spring checking out a family in the cemetery.

loochy 08-06-2013 11:57 AM

Thanks a lot obama

LiveSteam 08-06-2013 11:57 AM

I want before & after pics

seaofred 08-06-2013 11:59 AM

It sucks someone killed this deer and didn't eat it, but I don't get why people get more upset about someone shooting an animal than they do about all the people that get killed every day.

gblowfish 08-06-2013 12:10 PM

There is obviously a lot of senseless killing, especially on KC's East Side. And we become numb to it because we hear about shootings in KCK, or the East Side, or Midtown, just about every day in KC.

This story makes me feel weary. I love animals, many of them I love more than some people I know. And it's just a Goddamn shame that in this one little island in the middle of all the decay and crap that is the KC East Side, that this one little animal that brought so much happiness to people who visited that cemetery had to be needlessly shot. It just sucks.

I suppose the cynic in me says its inevitable, and the realist in me says the death of an animal is not as serious as that of a human being. But still, its little things in life, like a peaceful harmless deer living in an old city cemetery, and bringing joy to the people who visit there, that gives hope and delight to life in some weird way. It's just depressing that something special like this always has to end because of some senseless act of stupidity.

KCrockaholic 08-06-2013 12:13 PM

Sometimes I want to shoot annoying birds that build nests and shit above my patio. But this article is why I don't like 90% of people.

KCrockaholic 08-06-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9862592)
Not really, cats are worthless.

Cats are arrogant stuck up little things.

Radar Chief 08-06-2013 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 9862592)
Not really, cats are worthless.

I wouldn’t say “worthless” but a dog is a far superior pet.

Imon Yourside 08-06-2013 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 9862674)
I wouldn’t say “worthless” but a dog is a far superior pet.

Yup, I guess they catch mice. So pretty much worthless.

BigCatDaddy 08-06-2013 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 9862649)
It sucks someone killed this deer and didn't eat it, but I don't get why people get more upset about someone shooting an animal than they do about all the people that get killed every day.

Because people are bigger assholes in general than domesticated animals. I think this deer could be considered somewhat domesticated.

Groves 08-06-2013 12:37 PM

How exactly did people think Ella's life was going to end, anyway? Becomes mayor and free acorns for all? Finds the ark of the Covenant?

I'm against senseless killing, but some of you are living in the Truman Show.

Ella herself is glad it wasn't an urban dog pack feasting on her guts while she was keepin it warm for them.

Setsuna 08-06-2013 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groves (Post 9862724)
How exactly did people think Ella's life was going to end, anyway? Becomes mayor and free acorns for all? Finds the ark of the Covenant?

I'm against senseless killing, but some of you are living in the Truman Show.

Ella herself is glad it wasn't an urban dog pack feasting on her guts while she was keepin it warm for them.

And this is my point right here. You'd think you were talking about a person. People have gone mental.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9862715)
Because people are bigger assholes in general than domesticated animals. I think this dear was domesticated.

Just stop :facepalm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 9862649)
It sucks someone killed this deer and didn't eat it, but I don't get why people get more upset about someone shooting an animal than they do about all the people that get killed every day.

Preach mah brutha! :clap: It's because caring for something vastly less developed than themselves garners more of a "good feeling" for them than the plight of an actual fellow human being. It's mind boggling. And reeruned to no end.

Radar Chief 08-06-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groves (Post 9862724)
How exactly did people think Ella's life was going to end, anyway? Becomes mayor and free acorns for all? Finds the ark of the Covenant?

Figured she’d die jumping her Harley over the Snake River Canyon.

Radar Chief 08-06-2013 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9862740)
Just stop :facepalm:

The dear was very deer to him.

BigCatDaddy 08-06-2013 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=BigCatDaddy;9862715]<b>Because people are bigger assholes in general than domesticated animals</b>. QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby (Post 9862740)
And this is my point right here. You'd think you were talking about a person. People have gone mental.



Preach mah brutha! :clap: It's because caring for something vastly less developed than themselves garners more of a "good feeling" for them than the plight of an actual fellow human being. It's mind boggling. And reeruned to no end.

What do I win?

Iowanian 08-06-2013 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9862630)
This is a picture of Ella the Deer from this spring checking out a family in the cemetery.

Something doesn't look right with that deer. It appears to me there is already an injury to the ribs. Also, it is technically illegal to domesticate a wild animal owned by the state of Missouri. The people feeding that animal and participating in it's domestication should probably all be fined.

BigCatDaddy 08-06-2013 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iowanian (Post 9862795)
Something doesn't look right with that deer. It appears to me there is already an injury to the ribs. Also, it is technically illegal to domesticate a wild animal owned by the state of Missouri. The people feeding that animal and participating in it's domestication should probably all be fined.

That reminded me of this story. After days of surveillance the bad asses went in and took out Giggles. I feel much safer with Giggles no longer on the loose.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...d-giggles.html

Skyy God 08-06-2013 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9862803)
That reminded me of this story. After days of surveillance the bad asses went in and took out Giggles. I feel much safer with Giggles no longer on the loose.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...d-giggles.html

I was just going to post this. On the ground surveillance, aerial photos, a warrant, and 13 SWAT troops seems a TAD excessive for a fawn.

BigCatDaddy 08-06-2013 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 9862809)
I was just going to post this. On the ground surveillance, aerial photos, a warrant, and 13 SWAT troops seems a TAD excessive for a fawn.

Yeah, it was comically over the top, but I wonder if Donger and Patteau would disagree LMAO

It sounds like it could be a scene from The Naked Gun.

Fish 08-06-2013 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 9862742)
Figured she’d die jumping her Harley over the Snake River Canyon.

LMAO... she coulda been famous!

Iowanian 08-06-2013 01:27 PM

We had pet deer when I was young as well as a raccoon. They were fun for a while but animals do what animals do, they grow, they change, they die.

...which leads me to the main point, no matter how much your raccoon likes rhubarb, make sure to tear off ALL of the leaves. If you don't, he will die.

Nature is a crueler bitch than people.

Radar Chief 08-06-2013 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9862803)
That reminded me of this story. After days of surveillance the bad asses went in and took out Giggles. I feel much safer with Giggles no longer on the loose.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...d-giggles.html

Saw that on the news yesterday. Good thing they brought in SWAT, that fawn could’ve caused some damage.

tooge 08-06-2013 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9862630)
This is a picture of Ella the Deer from this spring checking out a family in the cemetery.

not bad lookin roasts. just sayin.

tooge 08-06-2013 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9862803)
That reminded me of this story. After days of surveillance the bad asses went in and took out Giggles. I feel much safer with Giggles no longer on the loose.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...d-giggles.html

I'm sorry, I'm sure it was a cute little deer, but that is funny as shit. Surveillance for 5 days, helicopters, swat teams. All to take out a little deer. They should've renamed it Sadaam.

BigCatDaddy 08-06-2013 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooge (Post 9862862)
I'm sorry, I'm sure it was a cute little deer, but that is funny as shit. Surveillance for 5 days, helicopters, swat teams. All to take out a little deer. They should've renamed it Sadaam.

"Operation Rudolph"

listopencil 08-06-2013 01:56 PM

Why are you so quick to rule out suicide?

BigMeatballDave 08-06-2013 01:58 PM

No love for venison?

Iowanian 08-06-2013 02:09 PM

To perpetuate the giving nature of Ella the wonder-deer, they should preserve her memory as a giver by donating her organs to hungry cats.

Demonpenz 08-06-2013 02:16 PM

and I know...I don't belong...Deer in heaven /Clapton


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