Tyler Bray > Geno Smith
 

...B-U-S-T, Bust Bust Bust Bust!

This should be good.

Ryan Leaf > Geno Smiff

He will still get to wipe a booger on Sanchez.

Don't jinx Bray.

Matt Cassel > Geno Smiff

I wanted Geno, but man, I am so glad Dorsey and Reid didn't pick him. He may turn out to be decent, but at this point, I think he has the same small chance as Bray of being a starting QB in 5 years. And like DJ said, Bray has a higher ceiling.

I started cooling off on Geno once he slid into the 2nd round, but I think I'm going to officially eat crow now.

They're both garbage

No pick wasted...

Turd Ferguson > Clay Bitchtitsby

good.

Ge Nononono

Geno will start and get better. That said, I'm glad we have Bray.

In!

Has Geno thrown another int. since I've been asleep?

no, but he slept on an uncomfortable bed last night...........

What about #1 overall?

Safe Pick.

They wanted Clausen. They wanted Geno.

If we'd taken either we would have been set back even further.
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At the end of the day, I don't give a rat's ass who looks better.

All I care about is that Bray has looked like complete ass.

We just had the #1 pick how much farther can we be set back, dumbass.
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Pretty hard to get any worse.

That media is going to eat him alive though. If he was somewhere like Jacksonville, he might have a chance.

There? None.

Ha.

What's your assessment on Geno if Bray's is "complete ass"

Almost exactly this. Not quite ready for crow but the writing is on the wall.

Complete ass.

But Geno is a Jet, so I don't give a shit.

2-14.


Set back further?

more than that, they wanted

Leniart
Sanchez
Clausen
Geno

basically every year they are going to find a QB in the draft to label the next 'must have' QB that the Chiefs can't live without. It doesn't matter whether they guy is any good or not.

I understand that people are desperate for a QB ... i want one too.


I thought Clausen would be a solid 2nd round pick but he's turns to shit.

I think Geno is better than he is showing now.


we just need to calm down a bit.

I think that if Idzik cans Ryan sooner rather than later (I thought he was a dead man walking to start the season anyway), that will give Geno and Sanchez a better chance to become decent NFL players. Right now, Ryan is the epicenter of a media hurricane with his latest tirade and they, the media, are starting to circle the carcass like a flock of hungry vultures.

They need to get Ryan out and a lower profile guy in there asap so the team can just focus on football rather than Rex's love of himself in front of a camera. They'd also love to dump Sanchez and all his stupidity (hooking up with an 18 year old high schooler, the butt fumble, the pants down boogaloo, etc.), but former GM Tannenbaum screwed that up with one of the worst contract albatrosses in the NFL.

Actually, I think that they really wanted Garrad to come in and be able to take over initial starter duties for the first half of the season or so then hand the reigns over to Geno. However, David pulled himself out due to his back and they were stuck with Ryan, Sanchez and a rookie QB in Geno.

The Jets need to move on and Ryan needs to be canned as soon as possible for that to happen.

Haha Geno worshipers who absolutely loved the guy and wanted us to draft him SO desperately now running like rats from a drowning ship. Show some spine you gutless cowards. No respect.

Don't say "they."

I loathed Clausen as a prospect and didn't want anything to do with either Leinhardt or Sanchez. I felt both were products of a system supported by NFL level talent all around them on both sides of the ball.

I did and do think Geno had the tools to be a successful NFL level QB. However, he's in a real shit storm right now because of the stupidity and media focus on Ryan and Sanchez - two guys who just can't seem to keep their idiocy out of the media spotlight. That is creating an absolute feeding frenzy with the media right now.

As soon as they dump Ryan and release Sanchez after the 2013 season when it's fiscally feasible to do, Geno will have a much better chance at success due to the lessening of focus by the media.

precisely

Peyton Manning's 3rd preseason game as a rookie:

11 for 21 for 123 yards and 2 INTs.

Manning played into the third quarter and his Colts lost 33-3... to Ryan Leaf's Chargers.

Not saying Geno is going to turn into Manning, but JFC people, it is the third preseason game of his rookie season.

What does teh media/Ryan situation have to do with throwing 3 picks and running out of the back of the endzone....? People on this thread trashed Holgorsen as a HC but it didn't seem to affect Geno's performance on the field. How is this any different? I see it all as an excuse.

You're absolutely right. I just think that organization is so unstable, we're not going to get to see a true QB maturation.

So I don't know if a Geno Smith ever lives up to his potential. (Whatever that is)

Tyler Bray>Chuck Norris

Serviceable backup NFL QB if he's lucky.

I'll freely admit I wanted Geno here. The way I saw it, he could come here and ride the pine behind Alex and Chase with zero pressure on him this season and probably next. Andy could teach him how to run an NFL offense and Alex/Chase could teach him how to be a pro. That being said, top overall picks shouldn't have to be taught any of that.

I liked the guys skills as a QB, and think he can still be a gifted passer. But he is going to go down in flames in New York with the sideshow that is the Jets.

I don't love Bray, but at least we didn't use a first overall pick on him like people here wanted to do with Geno.

They know who They are


If it doesn't apply to you then fine.

I am no fan of Geno, but Peyton Manning looked like crap his first season as well. Is Geno the next Peyton? Nope, not even close but I will reserve judgement on him till at least a couple of seasons.

Well then he obviously didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express did he?

This, many of us claimed that Geno would need some time to develop and that the Jets and Raiders were the worst possible destinations for him to go because of the surrounding talent.

If he thrives in that climate, then we did in fact miss a good QB.

Who's running, you Cassel-loving mother****er?

You dont draft a QB at 1.1 who needs time and players around him to develop.

You draft a QB at 1.1 when they are franchise QB's who make the talent around them better.

Many of US have said that over and over.

LMAO Thanks, Dane-parrot! Yeah, we'll just keep doing it that awesome "Chiefs Way"! Look at ALL THE SUCCESS IT HAS PRODUCED!

Blasphemy!

Geno Smith > Alex Smith

We had Mat Cassel AND Tyler Palcko but Nooooooooooo, that wasn't good enough. Now see what all of the whining got you?

Damn ingrates.

I could be wrong, but I really think we draft a QB in the 1st round next year.

If he is the pouting, foot stomping crybaby we have been told?
He's already FUBAR, let alone a full season as the Big Apple's worm.

Will 3-13 get us the 1.1 next year?

6-10. The scale is dropping the other way with each successive week.

One throws 3 TD's in a game...the other throws 3 int's.

This goes back to my point about Genos biggest problem is his head, attitude. If he would of slayed his interviews pre draft, he might be in a better situation than he is. If he would of blown teams away with more than just his arm, maybe he would of been 1st round worthy and someone other than NY would of taken him. But he showed something that teams didn't want, and I bet it had nothing to do with talent, and now he's in NY instead of Jax, Buffalo, AZ etc...places he might have a chance.

It's just as Much his fault that he's going to have a huge uphill battle in the NFL as it is The Jets.

That's the stupidest comment in history. Lets draft a RT at 1.1 who needs time to develop. This fan base has to have battered wife syndrome.

Bah! get your sensible remarks the **** outta here! Geno is awesomez and can not be denied his path to Glory!

:doh!:

They drafted a LEFT tackle that will play his first season at RT.

Is this getting through, or are you too obtuse?

I like Bray and am by no means a Geno fan, but one played against first stringers and the other against third stringers, huge difference.

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JFC get a grip.

You don't draft developmental QB's at 1.1 thats exactly why Geno went in the second round. Pay attention.

As has already been pointed out Fisher was drafted to play LT and he will be there starting soon. He would be there right now had they been able to trade Albert. He isn't a developmental project and to say that is just stupid.

Fisher sucks. Horrible waste of 1.1

Fisher isn't a developmental project?

Is that why it was universally known that he wasn't, at the time of his selection, the best at his position but had the best potential?

Sounds like the very definition of a project to me.

He'll be alright.

We got the QBOTF free and a rt who will be good at a hefty price. Doesn't make sense, but it is the way it is.

I think Bray will be nails for us in a couple of years.

Say it with me:

"Bray to Austin for the TD".

Now repeat that about 400 career times, and meditate.

Ummm........Ummmm......Ummmm....

God damn you, he wears red.

The problem was that the original argument is wrong.

Geno didn't drop because he was a project. He was dropped because teams didn't like his attitude. Fair or not, we'll see. I certainly think it's silly to judge either Fisher or Geno's careers based on a few preseason games. Hell, I think Fisher deserves about a half season and Geno deserves about 2 years.

Bray played well, but we've seen that from him before. The talents he displayed last night were well-known... it's the other stuff that caused him to be an UDFA.

Need to see a lot more - and see him maintain it - before he's anointed the QBotF.

Right now Fisher looks just as much of a developmental player as Geno. He's struggling mightily with the RT position. I'd hate to see him protecting the QB blindside at the more demanding LT position at this point. The Chiefs have never once said anything about Fisher moving to the left. There is no evidence at all that he'll be there starting soon. That's simply what some fans want, in order to justify the draft spot. But the Chiefs have went so far as to deny that they intended to replace Albert with Fisher. So far he's absolutely been a development, from training camp to the preseason games. He's been frequently dominated, even by opposing scrubs that won't be in the NFL in a matter of weeks.

He was not the most immediately polished but had the highest ceiling, thats not a "project" thats a he may not be the best right now but he will be.

It was also universally known that Fisher was a #1 overall talent and that Geno wasn't if you want to use the "universally known" card.

I wasn't in the camp to pick Fisher anyway, thats not my issue.

Everything we have seen so far indicates Geno would have been a huge mistake at 1.1 and people still try to act like thats not the case and its ****ing hilarious.

Granted I said "so far" but it doesn't look good.

At this point I like Bray's upside more and neither of them may amount to a bag of shit.

If you watch week 2, he doesn't use his right arm to block anybody. He was clearly favoring an injury. He looked fine in week 3 against a good Steelers line.

I'm not here to justify him at 1.1. I don't like the pick. But I'll evaluate him on what he does at Tackle. And at Tackle, there's no red flags that his career is in trouble. And I don't think he has to be a Left Tackle for his career to be successful. Again, he'll never be worth a 1.1, but Right Tackle is becoming very important when it comes to positional value.

Since when does potential = a guarantee?

Fisher is a developmental player. Period.

This is horseshit and you know it. You just hated the pick.

Regardless I am not defending Fisher, the fact is Geno looks to be a turd.

Funny how all the Geno ball washers just start railing on Fisher to defend Geno stinking it up.

Fisher may end up busting (though that is highly highly unlikely) that wont change anything if Geno is a turd. Geno will still be turd.

I also disagree Fisher is a project and you will see that soon enough.

WTF said it did.

I realize this is becoming part of the ChiefsPlanet lexicon, but a lot of the guys who loved Geno Smith as a prospect did not like any of the other guys. I know I didn't, and I know several of us talked about that in the Geno thread at one point... I think it was before the season ended and before the thread contracted AIDS for the first time.

Well thats just proof this QB class sucked balls. If Geno was the only best option holy shit this QB class will go down as one of the worst ever.

Do you even read what you write?

Who in the hell wanted Matt Leinart? That's just laz talking out of his ass again.
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What I am reading is you trying to say I guaranteed Fisher will live up to his potential.

That guarantee doesn't exist for any player including Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck is still expected to get better I assume? Even though he was NFL ready right?

Now you can evaluate each player and look at who is most likely to develop into their fullest potential and make decisions based on that.

Are you arguing that more scouts and GM's had Geno rated as 1.1 talent than Fisher?

It's a simple as this... He was picked 1.1. But he's not playing the position you claim the Chiefs drafted him to play. As the first overall pick. That says development, there's no other way to justify it.