Notes on Chiefs Preseason
 

Offense

• I took a lot of shit last week for saying Chase Daniel was "terrible." That language was a tad strong, but last game showed why. I want more from a QB who gets paid $3M/year to be a reliable veteran.
• Tyler Bray had an effective preseason. But let's not get carried away. He needs time (better footwork, better decision making, learn to handle a pass rush) and his maturity is trending up, but I sure hope he can keep that up. Because it's clear he can make throws no QB has made in years. Overall really liked what I saw from him.
• Best WR corps in years. Solid enough #2 in Avery. Great potential from #3-5 (Hemingway in the slot. McCluster and Wylie... be great to make them earn a spot as an underneath guy, and Jenkins earn his spot as a stretch the field guy
• The offensive line isn't where you hoped it would be. Hudson will be a liability, Fisher is probably going to take some lumps early on. Our Guard play is adequate at best.
• Knile Davis is a solid #2 option. I wish he could also play bigger, but with his speed, he doesn't always have to. He's a guy who needs clean blocking and running lanes. But if he gets to top speed, he's very effective
• Reid loves to use tight ends and fullbacks. I don't think he'll be excited with what he has. I wasn't impressed with Sherman or Kelce. Fasano's a nice TE, but I'd rather him be a blocker turned safety valve
• Alex Smith... is better than his critics say but worse than his fan boys say. He was what he thought he was. Mostly accurate QB in the short/intermediate game and tremendous rollout ability. The downside... he still doesn't throw his receivers open, tends to stare at his primary read, and he missed WAY too many hot routes.
• Our special teams is going to be our offense's best friend.

Defense

• Said it before, I'll say it again. People understate how much Dorsey's marketing efforts to restore the roar at Arrowhead will improve our defense
• Defense is much better. Finally, a d-coordinator who will create pressure and will mix up formations. We saw a lot of exotic looks early on already
• Poe and Jackson were beastly against the run. Poe flashed upside in the passing game, Jackson is a complete disaster there. Bailey, on the other hand, needs to be more consistent in the run game but can actually drive his blockers in the pass rush. He needs to get more snaps.
• Dorsey brought in good LBs for cheap. Akeem Jordan is better than anyone we've had in years but I hope Nico Johnson starts soon. Also give Dorsey credit for getting tremendous safety depth for cheap. Demps and Abdullah were great cheap adds
• Eric Berry is going to be a weapon. Blitzing, playing LB, playing center field... he'll play everywhere.
• Kendrick Lewis is going to be a huge liability and I worry he'll give up big plays. We need speed back there.
• Speaking of big plays, we saw flashes of a defense that can be too aggressive at times. We're going to shut down running games, but if any back squeaks by... trouble. I have a bad feeling we're also going to bite hard on playactions and bootlegs, and at times overpursue a ballcarrier.
• Our CB depth is disastrous. If any of our CBs are injured, we're screwed. Sadly, our Safeties are handling a lot of Nickel and Dime responsibilities that should be handled by CBs
• I like Sutton's press coverage. Which means, the Chiefs HAVE to put pressure on the QB. Sean Smith is a better pickup than he gets credit for being.

obligatory "AS has limitations" reference

obligatory "Tyson Jackson pass rush poop" reference

tired shit

I thought my eval on both those guys was more than fair. It's not like I'm shitting on either of those guys.

My short vesion: No major injuries

ya, I'm just tired of reading that particular set of comments. we all know these two are not reggie white and joe montana. really. we do. maybe next time you could write something new or even do the unthinkable -- leave out AS/TJ cliches.

here's a thought nobody brought up -- wylie is cut and Hammond/Hemingway make the 53.

wylie pulled a hammy last night -- he was out most of last season with a hammy.

Wylie won't get cut. He's a gunner and very good at it. He can still develop as a WR, while being very valuable for special teams.

see post #6

He left the game. I've seen nothing that says he's out for extended time. They cut Copper because they believe in Jalil Brown and Wylie. They're not going to cut him just because he tweaked a hamstring.

That's a completely silly criticism. I talked about the team as a whole. I'm not going to skip over two key starters just because you don't feel like reading about it. There are plenty of comments to respond to in the original post if you don't want to read about the "cliches." Especially the Tyson Jackson comment, because as I said, Bailey was getting push where Jackson was not.

I don't think it would be unrealistic to expect him to be the no 2 in year 2 and to take over for Smith in year 3...

Offense - average
Defense - average.

that's my take.

I thought the OP was reasonable and worthwhile.

I of course didn't love this part:
as I find this "doesn't throw his receivers open" to be vague and passed around too much, that it just sounds like you are regurgitating what you hear or read from other vague criticisms. Smith doesn't like taking many risk throws, so I guess somehow the semantics measure up.

I also don't think he stares down a single target... at least not often.

I also don't recall even seeing many (any?) hot routes through the preseason. Same thing happened in SF when the team was learning a new scheme in 2011 preseason. That will come as they go, but it better come quickly.

There's no doubt the guy can be a great technical QB. He has some footwork and decision making issues that can get worked out. I just hope this experience and being surrounded by veterans like Alex Smith and Chase Daniel, as well as a very good offensive staff can beat the immaturity out of him. Or that the kid can learn to be a leader, which is easier said than done. Would be a shame for that much talent to go to waste.

I've seen too many passes where Smith will wait for his receivers to break open and the ball gets there a touch (or more) too late. He's almost too careful. I don't think that's a risk throw at all. He has to anticipate his guys getting open instead of taking the safe route every time.

McNabb was somewhat immature when he came out (and there's a good argument he still is) but Reid was able to work with him...

We are a 6-10 team, with the potential to get to 8 or 9 wins with a few lucky breaks.

Our schedule is one helluva' lucky break...

Well... no matter what, you couldn't imagine a better situation for him.

Yeah, that's fine, and true enough for a couple passes per game.

We can call it excuses, but I think (hope) that this timing issue is more due to a building but unrefined chemistry between QB and his new targets. Maybe they work that stuff out better and better as they go... maybe not.

Reid said last night that Wiley tweaked a hammy and they pulled him out for that reason, no sense exacerbating the hammy tweak in a pre-season game. I think Wiley is fine. He said the same of another guy who left the game, name escapes me. It was hot as hell and the final pre-season game. Basically, he said the only guy who is now officially out was the lineman with the torn bicep. Again, name escapes me.

Oh, so it's not just your opinion of Bowe that's reeruned. You legitimately have no ****ing clue when it comes to WRs.

Is it a mental disability or something? I'm sorry if I offended you in the past.

The fascination withn Wylie is beyond me, but good job here.

I actually agree with buzz, but I'd cut/trade dex and let Hammond return punts and put Hemingway in the slot

Hammond is ****ing garbage. Why would you put him on the team to do anything but serve gatorade to the real WRs?

Hammond looked better returning punts last night than dex or Wylie ever have.

He had one solid return. The rest of them were Dante Hall wannabe returns.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

I don't think it's a fascination with Wylie. Wylie makes the team on special teams alone, just like Jalil Brown. But even better that, like Brown, he can actually have a role on the team (a slot guy who isn't there yet, but definitely has the speed and agility to develop into one...). If Wylie weren't so good at special teams, I'd agree with you.

I think there are plenty of guys who can do the same thing, but can actually contribute elsewhere. Hammond isn't a good receiver, and he's not good enough to be a pure return guy. If you're unimpressed with Dex or Wylie, you have Knile Davis and Demps, both of whom looked very good.

As far as guys fighting for positions. I really liked what i saw out of Bradley McDougald and Abdullah as Safeties. Jalil Brown looked to improve as the preseason went along, as well... Was impressed by Catapano.

Iirc, neither of them have returned a punt.

I like McDougald. I think he gets put on practice squad, just because they're overloaded with guys at Safety. I actually don't think Brown is nearly as bad as some people have claimed in the past.

Abdullah, I thought, had an outstanding preseason. And I really wish he was in line to replace Kendrick Lewis, even though I wish we had someone speedier than both of them.

So Wylie or dex are better?

Definitely. Mike C. looked really good out there. :thumb:

Wylie was an excellent punt returner in college. More importantly, the only thing Hammond can do is return punts. That's it. Not worth wasting a spot on a guy like that unless he's Devin Hester.

I'd rather Wylie or Dex because they'll contribute to this team beyond punt returns.

Do you honestly believe that Wylie will have any contribution to this team other than a returner?

He's not going to be playing on the offense unless there are a few injuries. If he makes the team he'll be the 5th or 6th WR, AKA designated to Special Teams.

Yes, he's going to be a gunner, and he's going to be damn good at it. Same reason Jalil Brown is a lock for this roster.

I don't see how you can take from one measly return that they are worse than Hammond.

Wylie and Dex have both had long returns just like the one Hammond got last night. Hammond's nothing special, and is 1/10th the receiver that those other two guys are.

He can't be expected to reasonably contribute on offense. Put him on the practice squad if you want, but he should NOT go on the 53 man roster. There are so many more worthy candidates for the final roster than him.

The team still has lots of questions but the most positive thing to take away from this pre season is that the team looks muuuuuccccch better coached.

Was it Hammond Jr. that muffed that punt early in the game last night? I said "Well that guy just got himself cut". He made some plays after that though, so who knows?

Defense gave up the fewest point in the AFC in Preseason. They played lights out last night and except for a few big plays and some field goals we pretty awesome.

Special teams- Dustin nailing 70 yard punts, Succop-Perfect, Big returns, FG block- just amazing what a good coach can do.

Offense- can't seem to pick up a blitz and getting man handled off the line. Chase took 11 sacks in roughly 5 quarters? 2 straight last night in the red zone.

First back to back preseason wins since 2006. :thumb:

I bet you that time line is in Andy Reids frame of thinking as well......

That's pretty good considering the field position the Chiefs started with in the first half of the steeler game. Considering the 4th and short that wasn't picked up and the running out of the end zone repeatedly and getting stopped at the 10-15.

That's damn impressive.

Abdullah had a lot of Big plays. Lewis should be cut. Brokieoki- cut Wylie-cut-didn't show much at all and is hurt again.

I hope Zombo makes the team- had an INT last night and was all around the ball again. Martin with the sack/strip/fumble recovery-might have made the team with that. Harris-cut-slow and can't catch, needs to go back to basketball. Daniels-Cut-we can get much batter off the waiver wire-Brady Quit was better and took less sacks.

I seriously doubt it.

I'm pretty sure he's looking at Alex Smith as a 5 year minimum to 8 year maximum type of guy.

Bray was an UDFA that needs some serious work on his technical skills before he can ever be considered a starting NFL level QB. Now, working with Reid and behind Smith, who is very sound technically, is a good thing for Bray, but he was not brought in to be starter in three years. No way, no how.

If I could go onto the forum, I could show you a post that I made almost EXACTLY LIKE YOURS, just replace the name Bray, with Kaepernick..

And Bray looked better in his first pre season than Kaepernick did.

The support around Bray is going to speed his development right along. It would not shock me in the least if Alex Smith struggles in his two years here that Bray could be the qb in 2015.

Not one bit. And im the biggest Alex Smith guy here. But I understand the business, and I understand Andy Reid, and John Dorsey. They have both proven that they will ship out a qb if he isn't cutting it.

Brian Brohm, Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb.

I love Alex Smith......but if Bray becomes a true professional, works hard, hits the books, hits the film takes the coaching, he is a special special kid.

Now im crushing on two qbs. Gotta write to dear abbey I guess.

Donks gave up a whopping 104 points and got their asses smashed by the Sea Hags plus just lost at home to the Cards-LOl Gave up 32 points to the cards-LOL

faders-79 points-not bad for those thugs

Bolts-gave up 71 on D but were woeful on O only scoring 62 points so far with a game to go.

Yes it is preseason but considering how shitty, pathetic and uncoached we have looked the last 5 years- I would call it a major success.

No major injuries- except Brokieoki-but a butterfly could land on his shoulder and he would go on IR.

any word on Kelce?

scratched Vaginal wall. Healing time 3 days.......

I don't think Alex will struggle. We should have descent field position and the O line should begin to understand what they are suppose to be doing. They failed to pick up Any blitz this preseason. They look a bit confused so it is giving the D the first hit and driving them back on most plays.

I haven't seen the Green Bay game yet, but the game-winning drive against Pittsburgh was ... underwhelming. Chase Daniel was essentially Tim Tebow that game. He could run and gain yards, but the offense wasn't utilized well at all. And then the one throw he makes wins the game.

People will laugh at me for saying this, but if Colt McCoy gets cut we should pick him up as our backup. I think he's a better fit than Daniel.

Tyler Bray showed some brilliance last night. He will grow, but he has tools that can't be taught, and sometimes that's the difference from being good and being great. Who knows. All I know is he's already better than Croyle, Thigpen, Stanzi, or any other crap that's been a backup here.

If Jamaal Charles gets injured we're so ****ed.

Alex Smith will continue to hold onto the ball too long...I think he's going to be one of the most sacked QB's in the NFL this season. Our Oline is going to have some problems and some of the guys on there are nowhere near as good as some of the knob slobbers here think.

Are we gonna have injury problems at tight end AGAIN this season? good lord.

Even though it's nothing particularly special, this WR core is gonna be the best core we've seen since Kennsion, Hall, Gonzo, Priest etc. Though I don't think Jamaal will ever be as good as Priest catching out of the backfield, even if that's what Reid is gonna try and do. Charles needs to stay healthy and he needs to hold onto the ball.

Our defense is gonna be good. Maybe top 10, but a lot of that will be because (hopefully) our offense doesn't put them in terrible positions over and over and over again due to turnovers and carelessness with the football. That shit is gonna stop with this coaching staff. Our Dline even with Poe's improvement will still be our weakest link on defense. Jackson applies just zero pressure to the pocket, but he doesn't get moved a whole lot (hardly ever) in the running game. But this team is going to have to get to the QB with the front line otherwise we're just screwed. Even if it moves the QB in the pocket and throws off timing and throwing, that allows Hali and Houston to come in for the kill.

This team needs to take the ball away from the opponent. We need to be positive in the turnover ratio. We have to be.

ST hopefully continues to rock this season. It's a complete game changer if we can score in the ST game.

:thumb: Excellent post!

Good all around assessments. I too think our WR's are the best in years. So glad Baldwin is gone. Avery and Junior look very good.

Only disagreement for me is Alex Smith not throwing receivers open. I think it's an adjustment phase. Bowe stops short on his route sometimes. It's as much as his fault as Alex'. Bowe did this in the 2nd game when he coulda had an easy TD.

I might not agree with all the cuts but I do love the timing.

Andy is a ****ing game-tape-addict.

"I understand...I hope you make it in your next spot. Yes. Yes sir, I agree.

Sir....sir....sir......SIR! Just clean your $3it out by halftime..."

One thing I really liked was DJ blitzing at Pittsburgh. Are they going to let him loose more? If anything it is on tape now so teams will have to account for him instead of assuming he is dropping back in coverage on every play.

Also liked how they used Berry- seem to really suit him for once.

Albert said that this was the hardest O he has learned-so hopefully the line is just reacting slow and they will improve. They get a D as a grade in preseason for giving up 20 sacks in 4 games. They opened few holes in the running game as well.

I don't think they showed much blitz wise this preseason. That said, the defense sounded very aggressive at times in training camp.

Also, hadn't heard that from Albert. Where did he say ? Sounds like an interview worth reading.

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