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Rams Fan 09-18-2013 05:48 PM

Does it make sense to take a RB in the top 10 in today's NFL?
 
Poll forthcoming.

Deberg_1990 09-18-2013 05:50 PM

No
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Bowser 09-18-2013 05:51 PM

On the average, no. But if we can take a ****ing right tackle one overall, then I say yes.

Right runner + right scheme + right surrounding players = profit

Ebolapox 09-18-2013 05:53 PM

adrian

peterson

Urc Burry 09-18-2013 05:54 PM

Unless your name is Adrian Peterson than no

threebag 09-18-2013 06:19 PM

No way in hell

Bewbies 09-18-2013 06:22 PM

Yes. But they have to be game breaking freaks.

Buehler445 09-18-2013 06:23 PM

Only if it is for otherworldly talent.

Rain Man 09-18-2013 06:29 PM

It makes sense if that's the best available talent. It makes even more sense if other teams subscribe to the "RBs are cheap" theory and a top-tier RB falls to you at pick 9 or 10.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 09-18-2013 06:31 PM

Janokowski has been nails and should be a HOFer. RB? sure

HoneyBadger 09-18-2013 06:33 PM

Depends. Is that the major need for a team that has all the other components in place to already win?

cosmo20002 09-18-2013 07:21 PM

He'd have to be pretty ****ing special. Like the DNA of Jim Brown and Walter Payton were fused together somehow.

CrazyPhuD 09-18-2013 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9991617)
It makes sense if that's the best available talent. It makes even more sense if other teams subscribe to the "RBs are cheap" theory and a top-tier RB falls to you at pick 9 or 10.

This because you're also paying them jack shit(relatively speaking) for 5 years.

Now the question you should ask is, does it make sense to break the bank to sign any RB?

Psyko Tek 09-18-2013 07:26 PM

I did not think of the price factor
you could run the guy to death in his first contract and then let him go

gawd, I hate to think that way

ClevelandBronco 09-18-2013 07:29 PM

No way. And if you've already made that mistake and you can unload the guy for a first, you do it.

hometeam 09-18-2013 07:29 PM

I voted no. But its more like a no, but...

milkman 09-18-2013 07:43 PM

If you think a guy has the potential to be something special, a guy likecAdrian Peterson, a Marshall Faulk, then yes, you take them.

vailpass 09-18-2013 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9991817)
If you think a guy has the potential to be something special, a guy likecAdrian Peterson, a Marshall Faulk, then yes, you take them.

IF you are set at the other skill positions and IF a rb is BPA at your draft position then.....maybe.

O.city 09-18-2013 07:47 PM

Just based on the life of said position in the NFL and length of playing time, they'd have to be extremely multifaceted and talented

milkman 09-18-2013 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9991830)
IF you are set at the other skill positions and IF a rb is BPA at your draft position then.....maybe.

If you're drafting in the top 10, then you aren't likely set at the other skill positions.

vailpass 09-18-2013 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9991851)
If you're drafting in the top 10, then you aren't likely set at the other skill positions.

Damn good point...

O.city 09-18-2013 07:50 PM

Damn, I thoug it was just first round.


Top 10? No way

Mr. Laz 09-18-2013 07:51 PM

Not unless he is extremely special

notorious 09-18-2013 07:55 PM

A team can ALWAYS use another pass rusher if they are set at every position.

RB's can be found later.

Red Dawg 09-18-2013 07:56 PM

No. Unless you a Peterson you look like you wasted the pick.

milkman 09-18-2013 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9991853)
Damn, I thoug it was just first round.


Top 10? No way

So, let's say you are the GM of the Rams.
You just drafted Sam Bradford #1 overall and are picking in the top 10.

There's a guy sitting on the board at your pick that you, and everyone else, believe has all the tools and potential to be the next Marshall Faullk.

You're passing on him?

milkman 09-18-2013 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9991865)
A team can ALWAYS use another pass rusher if they are set at every position.

RB's can be found later.

Where was Justin Houston drafted?
James Harrison?
Jared Allen?

saphojunkie 09-18-2013 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9991882)
Where was Justin Houston drafted?
James Harrison?
Jared Allen?

How about you look at the top ten rushers from the past few yeas and tell me how many we're first round picks.

Last year was six of ten. It makes sense in the first but top ten?

Just not worth it. At least right tackles aren't done at age 29.

Sfeihc 09-18-2013 08:05 PM

It hasn't made sense for a long time unless we're talking Barry Sanders or maybe Adrian Peterson.

Deberg_1990 09-18-2013 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9991875)
So, let's say you are the GM of the Rams.
You just drafted Sam Bradford #1 overall and are picking in the top 10.

There's a guy sitting on the board at your pick that you, and everyone else, believe has all the tools and potential to be the next Marshall Faullk.

You're passing on him?

Yea, honestly it's going to vary from year to year and the situation obviously. In Richardsons case, he was the top RB available in his draft, but is he truly a "special" talent? IMO no. No where close to Faulk, Peterson talent.

The problem is, every draft is different, and you might have a weak draft like this year where teams overdraft guys just because there really isn't any "elite" talent available. For instance, in a stronger draft, guys like Fisher and Joeckel don't go until picks 9 or 10? Depends on the year....

Rams Fan 09-18-2013 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9991875)
So, let's say you are the GM of the Rams.
You just drafted Sam Bradford #1 overall and are picking in the top 10.

There's a guy sitting on the board at your pick that you, and everyone else, believe has all the tools and potential to be the next Marshall Faullk.

You're passing on him?

Hey, it could be possible if the Redskins continue to lose.

milkman 09-18-2013 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9991899)
How about you look at the top ten rushers from last year and tell me how many we're first round picks.

That's a short sighted vacuum.

L.A. Chieffan 09-18-2013 08:14 PM

Having a line to run behind is much more important so no. Lineman only in the top 10

L.A. Chieffan 09-18-2013 08:15 PM

Guys like Marshall Falk come around once in a decade. Charles was a second rounder.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2013 08:17 PM

Does it make sense to draft a Tackle in the top 10 in today's NFL?

RealSNR 09-18-2013 08:18 PM

I said no, because generally you don't see Adrian Petersons and Marshall Faulks.

When they're there, however, they can change a team's fortunes around faster than any other position except for QB.

ghak99 09-18-2013 08:18 PM

It would have to be a once a decade type of RB going to a built team for me to do it in the top 10. Late first sure, but top 10 is tough to justify in today's league.

JoeyChuckles 09-18-2013 08:21 PM

90's football, yes.
2010's football, no.
Future football, ?

Deberg_1990 09-18-2013 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9991940)
Charles was a second rounder.

3rd. He went there because he's built skinny.

L.A. Chieffan 09-18-2013 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9991964)
3rd. He went there because he's built skinny.

Yup, one of the best rbs in the league went in the third. It's harder to get OL that's why they should go first.

notorious 09-18-2013 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9991882)
Where was Justin Houston drafted?
James Harrison?
Jared Allen?

Nooooooooooooooooo!


Damn you. LMAO

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2013 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9991974)
Yup, one of the best rbs in the league went in the third. It's harder to get OL that's why they should go first.

I hope we never stop drafting linemen in the 1st round. It should be our thing.

Rain Man 09-18-2013 08:39 PM

To everyone saying no, let me ask you a few questions.

Would you give a first-round choice for a rookie Jamaal Charles? How about Adrian Peterson? Arian Foster? C.J. Spiller?

If the answer is yes, then you would give a first-round choice for a running back. Perhaps from a strategy perspective you would find it advantageous to wait, but that doesn't mean that they're not worth a first.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2013 08:40 PM

RB's are more risky than QB's.

saphojunkie 09-18-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9992038)
To everyone saying no, let me ask you a few questions.

Would you give a first-round choice for a rookie Jamaal Charles? How about Adrian Peterson? Arian Foster? C.J. Spiller?

If the answer is yes, then you would give a first-round choice for a running back. Perhaps from a strategy perspective you would find it advantageous to wait, but that doesn't mean that they're not worth a first.

Would the Bills, Chiefs, and Vikings trade all of those players for a Super Bowl?

If the answer is yes, then you should have drafted a QB with that pick.

O.city 09-18-2013 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9991875)
So, let's say you are the GM of the Rams.
You just drafted Sam Bradford #1 overall and are picking in the top 10.

There's a guy sitting on the board at your pick that you, and everyone else, believe has all the tools and potential to be the next Marshall Faullk.

You're passing on him?

I'd be very hesitant to draft him yes.

Based on th longevity of the position in today's NFL and the trend of being able to find suitable backs elsewhere, I'd be hesitant

saphojunkie 09-18-2013 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9991875)
So, let's say you are the GM of the Rams.
You just drafted Sam Bradford #1 overall and are picking in the top 10.

There's a guy sitting on the board at your pick that you, and everyone else, believe has all the tools and potential to be the next Marshall Faullk.

You're passing on him?

That's kind of what the Colts just did.

vailpass 09-18-2013 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9992153)
I'd be very hesitant to draft him yes.

Based on th longevity of the position in today's NFL and the trend of being able to find suitable backs elsewhere, I'd be hesitant

That's the key. RBs break almost inevitably.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2013 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 9992158)
That's the key. RBs break almost inevitably.

Look at Knowshon. They're risky.

vailpass 09-18-2013 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9992198)
Look at Knowshon. They're risky.

Yep. Or about any rb. Though he had a very good game last week.

milkman 09-18-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 9992104)
Would the Bills, Chiefs, and Vikings trade all of those players for a Super Bowl?

If the answer is yes, then you should have drafted a QB with that pick.

This isn't QB v. RB.

Any team that doesn't take a QB if they don't have one should be expellede from the league.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2013 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9992208)
This isn't QB v. RB.

Any team that doesn't acquire a QB if they don't have one should be expellede from the league.

Let's keep it Chiefs-centric, please.:D

Demonpenz 09-18-2013 09:47 PM

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Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2013 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9992269)
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Demonpenz 09-18-2013 09:51 PM

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Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2013 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 9992281)
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keg in kc 09-18-2013 09:53 PM

No, it doesn't really make sense to draft them high. Runningback has become more of a complimentary position in the NFL, with the explosion of the passing game, and the league as a whole has shifted towards stables of specialist RBs rather than featured single backs. There's a few exceptions of course, but they basically prove the rule.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2013 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9992288)
No, it doesn't really make sense to draft them high. Runningback has become more of a complimentary position in the NFL, with the explosion of the passing game, and the league as a whole has shifted towards stables of specialist RBs rather than featured single backs. There's a few exceptions of course, but they basically prove the rule.

You never really know what you're getting until it hits the field. That's true with any position, but more so with RB's.

keg in kc 09-18-2013 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9992296)
You never really know what you're getting until it hits the field. That's true with any position, but more so with RB's.

They also tend to have shorter careers.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2013 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9992310)
They also tend to have shorter careers.

It's riskier than a QB. If the QB sucks, you'll have a shot at picking another and hopefully better one sooner rather than later. If the RB sucks, you're stuck in a reverse one dimensional game that will kill most QB's.

L.A. Chieffan 09-18-2013 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9992338)
It's riskier than a QB. If the QB sucks, you'll have a shot at picking another and hopefully better one sooner rather than later. If the RB sucks, you're stuck in a reverse one dimensional game that will kill most QB's.

truly, you have a dizzying intellect

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2013 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9992354)
truly, you have a dizzying intellect

Ride the roller-coaster, lover.

Dave Lane 09-18-2013 10:26 PM

It can.

Now back to Your regularly scheduled program of drafting only offense of lineman in the first round.

L.A. Chieffan 09-18-2013 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9992357)
Ride the roller-coaster, lover.

Australia.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-18-2013 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 9992360)
It can.

Now back to Your regularly scheduled program of drafting only offense of lineman in the first round.

I'm betting at least three more during the Dorseid regime.

RustShack 09-18-2013 10:29 PM

Not unless it's an AP or LT.

Sorter 09-18-2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9992354)
truly, you have a dizzying intellect

Wait till I get going!





Now, where were we?

BigMeatballDave 09-18-2013 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 9992368)
Not unless it's an AP or LT.

You never know how that is ever going to work out.

Priest Holmes was an UDFA.

Molitoth 09-18-2013 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9991506)
Poll forthcoming.

It depends on if you have a great QB or not.

Rain Man 09-18-2013 10:40 PM

Maybe I interpret the whole "first round" or "top ten" thing differently from other people.

For example, is Dwayne Bowe worth a top-ten pick?

In a draft where these guys are the top 12 prospects, the answer is yes.

Dwayne Bowe
Mike Mamula
Tony Mandarich
Trezelle Jenkins
Jon Baldwin
Ryan Leaf
Jamarcus Russell
Rashaun Woods
Freddie Mitchell
Matt Jones
Jarvis Moss
Ron Dayne

In a draft where these guys are the top 12 prospects, the answer is no.

Dwayne Bowe
Dan Marino
Adrian Peterson
Walter Payton
Reggie White
Lawrence Taylor
Anthony Munoz
Joe Montana
Walter Payton
Jerry Rice
Tony Gonzalez
Dick Butkus

"Worth a top-ten pick" is purely a function of who the other top players are. If it's a weak draft class, someone is worth a top-ten pick even if they're going to be a below-average NFL player, as long as they're one of the ten best prospects.

L.A. Chieffan 09-18-2013 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9992385)
Maybe I interpret the whole "first round" or "top ten" thing differently from other people.

For example, is Dwayne Bowe worth a top-ten pick?

In a draft where these guys are the top 12 prospects, the answer is yes.

Dwayne Bowe
Mike Mamula
Tony Mandarich
Trezelle Jenkins
Jon Baldwin
Ryan Leaf
Jamarcus Russell
Rashaun Woods
Freddie Mitchell
Matt Jones
Jarvis Moss
Ron Dayne

In a draft where these guys are the top 12 prospects, the answer is no.

Dwayne Bowe
Dan Marino
Adrian Peterson
Walter Payton
Reggie White
Lawrence Taylor
Anthony Munoz
Joe Montana
Walter Payton
Jerry Rice
Tony Gonzalez
Dick Butkus

"Worth a top-ten pick" is purely a function of who the other top players are. If it's a weak draft class, someone is worth a top-ten pick even if they're going to be a below-average NFL player, as long as they're one of the ten best prospects.

I'd take Munoz.

Earthling 09-18-2013 10:44 PM

All depends on the rb in question and the roster currently on your team. I think you take what your team needs, provided that what you need is there.

keg in kc 09-18-2013 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9992338)
It's riskier than a QB. If the QB sucks, you'll have a shot at picking another and hopefully better one sooner rather than later. If the RB sucks, you're stuck in a reverse one dimensional game that will kill most QB's.

I don't know that I agree that it's necessarily more risky, but the RB position has grown increasingly devalued while the QB has gone the other direction, so the potential reward isn't really even close to equivalent. Just look at Minnesota... Best RB in the league, but they have yet to become a contender without a quality signal caller. A biblical home run at RB doesn't protect them from a failure to find a solution behind center. A fact which pretty clearly shows both the risk inherent at QB as well as the value of both positions.

Too many people focus just on the risk half of the equation and ignore the reward factor. Missing 3 out of 4 times on a QB will ultimately put you ahead of teams that hit on lesser positions. Because that one hit changes the entire dynamic of a franchise, and puts them in the catbird seat for a decade.

Thig Lyfe 09-18-2013 11:27 PM

JC was a third rounder RIIIGHT

Rain Man 09-18-2013 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 9992387)
I'd take Munoz.

Good call. He's a safe pick.

Thig Lyfe 09-18-2013 11:33 PM

If Adrian Peterson is there, take him. Otherwise, you can probably find a great starting RB in the second or even third round almost every year.

patteeu 09-19-2013 08:24 AM

I voted no, but of course it depends. If you think the last piece you need to contend for a Superbowl, then sure. If you think he's HOF caliber, then sure.

Red Gorilla 09-19-2013 09:17 AM

I voted yes. If the talent is there and the guy is way up on your board then you take him. Todd Gurley is a lock to go Top 10 in 2014. Richardson is a stud. He just doesn't fit their system and the Browns need a QB in a bad way.

Rausch 09-19-2013 09:19 AM

I voted yes but ONLY if you already have your QBOTF and you feel this is a once in a generation type of player.

So, if the Packers/Falcons could draft AP/Tomlinson/Marcus Allen/Bo Jackson this offseason then yes...

buddha 09-19-2013 09:24 AM

According to most of you, the only position worthy of a top 10 pick is QB. Think of how stupid that is?

You need impact players all over the field. You don't have to have a great RB to win, but it sure as hell doesn't hurt.


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