Offseason, What-ifs, D-Bowe and Trades
 

Let's face it A. Smith is going to be the QB at least one more year here. He is getting the job done and not great. So might as well improve around him, so what if:

We trade Bowe for a second rounder (maybe 3rd). We'd nearly get back the pick we lost for Smith.

We can then pick up a top WR, like Nicks or Maclin, to replace Bowe's average numbers.

We can then pick a WR round one in the draft and have the Bowe pick for some help on the line?

Yes, Bowe was just resigned, but if we could find a buyer...

:Lin:

Explain.

Bowe was targeted 12 times Sunday. He's not going anywhere

Took 9 weeks for that to happen.

Really?

He signed a contract this year worth $56 million with $26 million in guarantees.

There's no way in the ****ing world that the Chiefs take a $20 million dollar cap charge in order to trade Dwayne Bowe.

Oh yeah, and Nicks ****ing sucks. More drops than Bowe AND he wants to stay in New York.

Really CP? You're going to bite on this obvious trollery?

If he's trolling, ban him.

I happen to think he's a dumb**** but enough with the trolls.

Never liked either Honey Badger...

His avatar would make more sense if the girl were wearing one of those tank tops that says, "I wish these were brains".

How is this being a troll. There have been a million worse ideas posted here.

We are currently in the middle of a 9-0 season and getting ready to play one of the 5 biggest games in franchise history and you want to talk about what we should do in the offseason!? Get the **** outta here withy that nonsense.

stop reading Rausch's posts

This.

Non.

So you're fine without trying to figure out how to get better?

Learn how football works before you post an idea next time, please.

I'm not a capologist. I don't understand how it works half the time and I don't know what a lot of the shit means. But you don't need to be a ****ing GM to know this idea of yours is an abortion. Everybody with the most basic understanding of the NFL knows "trading away big money longterm contract in its first years = bad."

And with that, get AIDS.

Hey guiz, gud plan hur! Gib boe to 49ers 4 <1/2 Alexsmiff! hur hur hur I not troll

I don't care about the offseason right now, no.

LMAO

I don't mind people talking about what we should/could do in the offseason right now or any other time, to be honest. It's just discussion between fans. But I don't like the idea of getting rid of Bowe. Getting more help at WR though? Sure.

Bowes not going anywhere. Theyll bring in a hot reciever to be an understudy. Maybe the kid from lsu if hes eligible. Kid gets his payday as bowes runs out everyone is happy.

:thumb:

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

so you want to trade Bowe so the team takes like a 20 million dead cap hit in 2015, basically ****ing their future and probably handcuffing them from giving long term conracts to Houston, Berry, etc.

great idea.

FYP

Is it March already. Seems like Halloween just happened. Damn drugs.

A thumbs up and 6 claps? Damn that's a good comment.

We made to week ten. Before the, "There is always next season", talk began.


baby steps

doh

it's not bowe who's the problem...

Bowe's 2010 season skews his overall production a bit wth the 15 TDs, but overall, I think he's about a 75 catch / 1,100 yd / 5 TD guy on average in a good offense.

He is on pace to have his fewest receptions and yards in a 16 game season, by far. But, again I think it's due to the way the offense is set up this year.

I don't think Bowe is the problem, but I also don't think he's that elite WR to lead a team... I think you bring in someone to balance the other side of the field with Bowe in the lineup. I really don't think that WR is in KC right now, or you keep what you have and get a real TE threat.

Moving Bowe for another guy with similar or slightly better production over his career elsewhere doesn't fix anything or improve anything in my view.

Alex Smith has completed only 188 of his 315 passes (59.7%). Smith has attempted 18 fewer passes than Peyton Manning (who has completed 237 for 71.2%). Think about that for a second... only 18 fewer pass attempts than Manning (in one more game obviously).

It's the weapons around Bowe... they're just not great at all. I think you build around the guy that you recently paid big $'s too and see what happens. But, then again ... Smith has never been a prolific passer with top 12 QB types of stats on a regular basis.

So, knowing that... how do you really think you can fix the woes of the passing game?

Bowe is Roddy White if he had a QB even close to Matt Ryan's ability.

He's never had one.

Bowe has never had a quarterback.

Ummm... I don't think that's near accurate.

True, but he's got an upgrade at QB now by all accounts and he's on pace for his worst year ever.

Really good WRs can most often times produce well with anyone at QB. If you're talking about the top tier or two.

**** off!

Smith is Cassel without the turnovers.

What does Roddy White have that Bowe doesn't?

LMAO

I don't think you've checked Matt Ryan's stat line lately

It's arguable whether there really is much of an upgrade at qb.

Explain how he's been awesome with shitpiles like Cassel, Thigpen, and Palko, but now that he has this "upgrade" in Smith his numbers are down.

Smith IS an upgrade over those QBs. Substantially. But that doesn't mean he's the kind of upgrade that will make it easier for Bowe to get the kinds of numbers he's used to.

In that context, talking purely about WR stats, Smith is NOT an upgrade. He's a downgrade.

The fact that you put "OC" in your profile location makes you a douche. :evil:

maclin is not a top wr

QB upgrade? Depends on your definition . Lack of turnovers says yes. All other indicators say status quo.

Still don't want to trade him?

Dude is having an "off" season and just got arrested for marijuana.

Who the **** would want him?

No. I like being able to sign free agents in the offseason.

Learn how the cap works, dude. :facepalm:

too late ... we already paid him big money

Come on guys, everybody knows you sell "low" and buy "high"...

but Bowe is "high"

o:-)

His production this year and last year was already making it look like paying him was a risky decision.

This sort of reminds me of the Flacco discussion in another thread. Flacco got a huge contract based on getting hot during that one postseason. Bowe is getting paid like 2010 was a typical season for him, even though he's never lived up to that again.

I like him and wanted us to re-sign him, but there seems to be a lot more risk here than we originally thought.

hay guys we should trade bowe for calvin johnson and then we could trade avery for dez bryant and then peyton brady would want to come play for us for free and superbowl

so maybe the previous administration was correct in being reluctant to give Bowe big money?

Pioli and the rest of those clowns were following the process they did with Brandon Carr, of franchising a player and then letting them walk just because they didn't draft him, or whatever their reasoning was for not wanting to keep good players around. They were going to let Bowe and Albert walk for nothing.

I wanted us to re-sign Bowe, but he's going to be in the spot Jared Allen was where if he has yet another dumbass moment he'll be out for a season, right?

I think we did the right thing, but he does seem to be overpaid, and hopefully he doesn't end up making fools of us.

It's quite possible

Didn't they sign Flower, Charles and Hali?


they weren't drafted by them

The grumpiness, is strong in this thread.

Bowe, is not, a number one receiver.

Hes an over paid number 2. I got crushed for stating he could be cut.

This might very well lead to that.

Everyone will forget if he gets 100plus yards and two tds.

I usually hate on players but it is weed. Stupid. But he should be able appeal out if he passes drug test. Other guy said it was his.

And they do not utilize bowe because smith is not capable. We all knew it at the start of the season. Throw him jump balls.

Over some ****ing WEED? Are you kidding me? News flash, an EXTREMELY high percentage of NFL players smoke weed. Get over it.

Bullshit
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:doh!: cut Bowe over a couple of joints? umm yeah probably not

clueless

Im sure they do, but there's not an EXTREMELY high percentage of NFL players dumb enough to get busted with it. Having said that, he's still an asset to the team and should not be traded, even if it wouldn't incur a big cap hit.

Noted. Just remember gentlemen.

I called that he "COULD" be cut in the offseason and that was purely for lack of production.

Now, on top of that, you have this.

Just remember it. And please, especially you Brock, if it does happen, be man enough to own it.

I know halfcan and knuckles will.

You, you are sketchy.

Consistent with your takes on Alex Smith.

Bowe is one of only a couple players on our offense that has proven he can produce at a high level despite what's going on around him. Even when he isn't showing out in the stat sheet he's drawing attention away from others and doing his job plus more in opening up lanes for Jamaal with his willingness to block downfield.

He is a legitimate number 1 receiver.

Hey, his lack of production, largely stems from Alex Smith. I have zero problem owning that.

But, it isn't all on Smith.

Bowe, has run some really shitty routes, and dropped some easies.

But, Alex has neglected him, and thrown just as may shit passes.

One hand of that shit show washes the other.

I wonder what maverick ace thinks of me, said nobody ever.

Could. Very very very very very very unlikely, like less than .1% chance of it happening.

But there's a chance, I guess!

I routinely respond to peoples post when i don't care what they think.

Again. Sally sensitive. I have NEVER ever responded to your posts, unless they were directed at me, and have NEVER been the first to talk to you.

So, you were saying?

Shrugs.

I guess we will see.

I personally see a major over haul coming on the offense.

Only players that I could confidently say are safe, are Eric Fisher, Jamaal Charles, and Anthony Sherman.

Is that a joke? You cried like a bitch when I said something bad about niner fans.

Way too, too, too, too many commas going on in this, thread, right here.

An extremely high % of people in general smoke it. At least on occasions. It's absurd that they're still hauling people off to jail for having personal amounts. I got caught with a roach when I was 17 and the Johnson County court system ****ed my life over. They put me on 6 months probation, made me take a urine test once a week (which cost 24 dollars a pop), classes, counseling, weekly meeting with my probation officer. Then about a month away from being out of their system, one of my urine tests came back diluted (I was clean the entire 6 months) so they decided to give me an ankle monitor and put me on house arrest for New Years Eve weekend. Yep, my senior year of high school, when I should have been having the time of my life, I was stuck doing all kinds of shit because I had a roach. First and only offense of my life.

Serves you right. You should have done the "right" thing and listened to what your government told you because they know what's best for you and they really, really care.

The worst part for me was how much my dad had to pay for their mandatory counseling, classes, drug tests, etc. He had just gone through a divorce where he lost basically everything to my mom, and was taking care of me and my brother. I was just a kid in high school with no job, so he got stuck paying for all of this unnecessary crap. I paid him back for some of it a year or so later, but it's just wrong how much money they can sap out of a kid for smoking a joint.