More Evidence that the Japanese are Just F-ing WEIRD
 

They've invented the Robot Handie....

http://tinyurl.com/mnaeluc

The Second Law of Robotics is: A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings.

Over the weekend, a virtual sex simulator debuted in Japan, Kotaku reported. The "VR Tenga" is the product of a joint effort from adult toy company Tenga and virtual reality pioneer Oculus VR, the company behind an immersive virtual reality headset called the Oculus Rift.

The VR Tenga was unveiled at an Oculus Rift game jam in Tokyo and, as can be seen in the NSFW video above, has at least a few people excited. Buzzfeed explains how the contraption gets the robo-job done:

The device attaches a Novint Falcon—a grip-based, haptic controller—to a Tenga, a Japanese industrial masturbator. Used as intended, the user would insert his penis into the Tenga, which would be manipulated by the Falcon. All the while the user views on his Oculus some sort of visual stimulation synced to the movement of the hybrid Falcon/Tenga.

In a HuffPost/YouGov survey conducted in April, eighteen percent of respondents said they believed sex robots would be available by 2030, while only nine percent said they would have sex with a robot if they had the opportunity.

Who could resist?

This is what a society living in the nearly complete absence of Judeo-Christian values looks like.

Instant billionaires.

I like where their head is at...but this sounds kinda lame. I want all the nasty sex of a live female, but maybe without all the other stuff that comes with it....excessive talking....badgering....constant spending of money.....complaining....that sort of thing

Japan's taken a bizarre turn.

They have to encourage folks in their early 20s to have sex. For many it's seen as too much hassle or just kinda dirty. Japanese officials are worried about a population collapse.

Here's the first article I could find on it, but there are several out there:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...in_sex_or.html

They're fast approaching a culture of extreme isolationism.

There are a ton of lessons to be learned from Japanese society, I just have a hard time figuring out exactly what they are. I guess your point regarding judeo-Christian values has some merit, but that sure seems simple. Afterall, I know plenty of secular folks that have no problem interacting with the opposite sex.

I think it's far more complicated than that.

Either Japan will lead the world in 30 years, or it will be completely irrelevant. It's hard to see a middle ground here and the latter seems far more likely.

More and more men feel that way in this country. Not enough to matter, but it's just such a hassle to raise a family anymore. Especially the more educated males. Why would I ever get hooked up with some female for a long period of time to mate with her and raise a family? If we ever disagree enough to dissolve the contract, males are looking at not being around their child and losing half their possessions/wealth. It's not a good agreement and as a male you're making a 50 percent bet to get taken to the cleaners.

Billay will be the first planeteer to have one

Americans shouldn't be so quick to mount the high horse when taking shots at Japan. The USA's rate of "millenials" that are either jobless or living at home are pretty sad. Japan's ruthless corporate culture is to largely to blame for that.

At least our young people screw... but educated types are putting off child rearing entirely or late in life which correlates with health problems in a notable rate of births. We're accelerating toward the world in Idiocracy.. which is nice.

What if it decides to clench down real hard while tugging?

I may get skewered for this but I think Dane's point applies somewhat to our society as well...

Was more evidence even needed?

The difference is that while many people in America choose to be agnostic or atheist, the overwhelming majority were raised, at least to one degree or another, with Judeo-Christian values and teachings.

When you have an entire society raised in absence of those values and teachings, especially in the technological and cold world that we live in today, what appears "bizarre" to outsiders seems perfectly normal to those living within that society.

Divorce rates are actually much lower for non religious people.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

Not quite getting this. Don't they sell plenty of sex-related stuff in the good ol' U.S. of A?

Dane isn't talking about religion per say, its more about moral code that majority of the USA goes off is based on Judeo-Christian values.

Their women are probably about ready to explode.


Road trip!

My point isn't about being religious versus non-religious. It's that Japan's society and societal thinking is completely different than America's, which that can be traced directly to the absence of Judeo-Christian "morality".

For example, while I might choose to be agnostic or atheist, it would be virtually impossible for me to forget and disregard the Christian teachings I learned at church and in CCD during the first 12 years of my life. They're ingrained, regardless of whether or not I believe that the God of Abraham and Isaac or Jesus exists.

That is very, very different than a entire society of millions of people that have never been raised, nurtured or taught those same values and teachings.

That's the way I took it too.

Exactly. Thanks! :thumb:

It's not just that. When you look at the history of religion in general, western religions like Christianity have traditionally been very outwardly focused. The moral underpinnings of modern Japanese society are based on spiritual tenants that focus inward.

Modern technology has created many issues when it comes to interpersonal relations for all of us. But when you combine that with traditional Japanese values, it's almost like they're building a society of robots...

Not to mention, they are LITERALLY building a society of robots. As referenced by OP. o:-)

Fair point.

But do you suspect we're terribly far behind it in the west? Look at how ruthless kids are becoming, in large part due to the impersonal nature of social media. That 'code' is being eschewed more and more by younger generations that have realized you can blast someone digitally without having to look them in the eyes or witness the immediate impact.

Perhaps a purely secular upbringing led to an easier/faster adoption of the technological lifestyle, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see something similar 10-15 years down the road out here. Especially with the rise of things like Google Glass that will make digital experiences seem more and more real.

I think that's a sad statement, to be honest.

Family provides us with many of our greatest successes. Sure, going it lone-wolf is easier, but so is settling in at middle-management. Ambition is a bitch and sometimes it hurts more than it helps. But if done well, that ambition will serve you greater than ambivalence ever will.

The same applies to family life. Marry poorly and make a marginal investment and it's not going to work to your advantage. Marry well and work on it and you'll live a happier, more well-rounded life for it.

It's tougher at times, but I think your life is far more fulfilling and far more rewarding for the effort.

But your mileage may vary.

I truly don't know the answer to that question.

The media distorts everything these days. It's bizarre. We're led to believe that many things are of equal or greater proportion when in reality, it's a infinitesimal fraction.

I'm not convinced your statement here is true. When I think about people making a porn movie, during daytime and in full view of anyone passing by (on Westboro Baptist Church lawn) I hesitate to assign that kind of conduct to anything less than the individuals involved. Certainly the porn makers must have had exposure to Judeo-Christian values. They apparently just rejected them.

You're singling out a few people versus a society of 127 million people.

FWIW, every single porn company you've ever heard of is owned and operated by Jewish men. :D

Well how many people in Japan are using this robotic device? I'm sure that is not known but would be pertinent to your argument.

It's not just the "robotic" device. It's Bukakke, it's sex, it's mind-altering, mood-enhancing drug use. It's so many things...

Wouldn't that also apply to those no value Asians you speak of?

This is a ****ing excellent post.

This porn robot is symptomatic, it's not the disease.

Take a look at the slate article. Peruse google and take a look at the social structure of young Japanese citizens.

If that were what we were facing in the states, I know I'd be damn alarmed.

I read a book called "Bowling Alone" years back that talked about this sort of thing in the states and most of it was fairly prophetic.

It's also peanuts compared to what we're seeing in Japan. This really is the kind of thing that could lead to the gradual disintegration of an entire nation of people (nation in lower case, not from a geo-political standpoint).

First off, I didn't say "Asian". That's a major faux pas on your part.

Secondly, you're clearly missing the point.

The reality is I have never been to Japan so I have no experience with people living there. Perhaps it is as you say..? My wife of 38 odd years or so is of Japanese ancestry and I can tell you most all of her relatives are pretty decent, hard working, honest folks.

Are her relatives millenials, though? We're talking about this generation and the next, not the previous one.

I guess I just disagree with the way you're intertwining the two and still saying it's not about religion. Morality is way too complicated to be reduced only to values coming from Judeo-Christian teachings. And in your instance, you're still assuming that the example person in question went to church the first 12 years of their life. Most of those values are inherent to all humans no matter where they're born.

I simply don't think religion has any place in the discussion at all, either directly or latently applied like you're doing. And I also don't think the US is any example at all to point to in regards to great morals. We're suffering from many of the same moral ills that they are. And it will get worse as population density and poverty both increase here like it has there. We're headed down that path a lot more than people realize.

Don't think of it as religion but rather a philosophy and how such philosophy came to shape our means of governance, business and social ethics and personal motivations.

We live in a society where we're told that everyone is equal, yet men are clearly treated as second class citizens in family courts. We also have states where a woman can have an affair and get knocked up by the lover, yet the husband is still legally stuck with the check, even if the child is proven not to be his. With that sort of thing going on, it's not surprising to see that more and more men are wary of the entire notion of marriage.

Both her father and mother were born in America. Prior to that all were born in Japan. Of her relatives I have met, most are her and my age..50's and 60's. Old timers...;)

You're welcome to disagree.

FWIW, do you or your colleagues visit Japan frequently? Do you do direct business with them? Are you familiar with Buddhism and how it's practiced in Japan? Are you familiar with their current society, as a whole?

Cultural?

let me eat dinner and I'll try and defend myself

Anyone here ever banged a jap?

That's nice. I sure am glad you're living vicariously through your friend.

Still not getting it. Is he trying to say that: 1) This will be a common household item in Japan, and 2) It won't sell here?

You can buy sex in the US. You can buy sex toys in the US. So someone in Japan develops a high tech sex toy, and that means the nation is immoral or weird because of its lack of a Judeo-Christian origin?

Sounds like some rather lame ass reasoning to me.

LMAO

So you're saying that everything that represents the immoral according to traditional values, sex, drugs, etc., are all much more prevalent in Japan. Is that right?

It's a completely different society, period.

There is no arguing with that proposition.

I just think the idea that things that we consider immoral here are more prevalent there is completely baseless. More than that, it's fictional, and original at that, because I have never heard anyone say anything like that before. If anything, honor and tradition are probably exponentially stronger there than they are here.

FYI, a google search turned this up, which I found interesting.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...-use-map-world

Japanese VR porn....it's all fun and games until the machine starts putting eels up your anus.....

It's certainly a contributing factor from where we were.

Exactly. So many people get caught up in the dogma at the height of there resolve against this moral code neglecting the fact that it was bore out of developing civilizations evolution.

It's more than sad.

Of course the struggle of experience serves one better, but one can achieve this without off-spring. It's just a different way of going about things. Of course I see the value in teaching and raising children. To share in their failures and successes. Nature desires this IMO and my post's existence proves your point in terms of the experience's value.
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Japan is a very sexually repressed culture and has been for quite a while. This has filtered down to the younger generation as non-interest in sex.

There are many reasons that Japan is in the situation they are in, not coming from a Judeo Christian background is not one of them (nor is their version of Buddhism responsible either).

Their corporate culture, gender roles in society (for career women getting pregnant is a career ender there, and marriage puts you at risk for pregnancy so career minded women have an aversion to sex and marriage), and their sexual repression in their public facing lives are all much more responsible.

LMAO

FYP

Yeah but even a lot of Christians blow their religion off when it comes to getting off. I live in a big time Christian state and city, and you'd be hard pressed to find a chick that truly believes and follows "marriage before sex".

This is pretty spot-on. Just like the rest of the world has a skewed perception of the US (and who can blame them when they're seeing things like "16 and Pregnant", "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" and "Jersey Shore"), we're getting a doctored-up account of Japan and their culture, which although very different from ours, isn't as freakish as we're often led to believe.

I don't know enough about the issue of sex in Japan to comment definitively, but a simple search turned up a different Slate article that makes a reasonably well-stated case against the idea. It will be interesting to see how Japan changes demographically over the next few decades and what affect that may have on their global influences (as was mentioned by someone else earlier in the thread).

95% of Japanese people have the same reaction to this kind of stuff that we do... "WTF?" The more mundane, ordinary aspects of Japanese culture never make it over here to us for the exact reason that it isn't strange or perverse.

I wonder if people in other countries are reading brony articles and pontificating about it on internet forums, trying to come up with all of the sociological and cultural reasons for why Americans want to **** rainbow colored ponies.

Call me when they invent humanoid cylons.

i think im turning japanese
i think im turning japanese
i really think so

Me and a buddy banged a whole bunch of japs a few years back! He was a big fat man but he really pounded 'em! He used to make fun of me and call me "Little Boy," but I still got mine! It was really hot! Hell of a hangover.