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Rain Man 11-21-2013 12:24 PM

2014 Semifinalists for the Hall of Fame
 
You can add Claude Humphrey and Ray Guy as the senior candidates.

This seems like a pretty weak pool to me. Will Shields should go in this year without a doubt.

http://www.profootballhof.com/footba...finalists.aspx


The Hall of Fame’s Selection Committee chose the 25 modern-era semifinalists from the previously announced list of 126 nominees.

Four first-year eligible candidates – linebacker Derrick Brooks, coach Tony Dungy, wide receiver Marvin Harrison, and tackle Walter Jones – are among the 25 semifinalists being considered for the Pro Football Hall of Fame’s Class of 2014.

In addition to the first-year eligible nominees, two other previously eligible candidates, coach Jimmy Johnson and guard Steve Wisniewski, made it to the semifinalist list for the first time. Each of the remaining individuals on the Selection Committee’s list has been a semifinalist at least once prior to this year.

2014 SEMIFINALISTS



Morten Andersen, K – 1982-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-2000, 2006-07 Atlanta Falcons, 2001 New York Giants, 2002-03 Kansas City Chiefs, 2004 Minnesota Vikings
Steve Atwater, S – 1989-1998 Denver Broncos, 1999 New York Jets
Jerome Bettis, RB – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers
Derrick Brooks, LB – 1995-2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tim Brown, WR/KR – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Don Coryell, Coach – 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers
Roger Craig, RB – 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings
Terrell Davis, RB – 1995-2001 Denver Broncos
Edward DeBartolo, Jr., Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers
Tony Dungy, Coach – 1996-2001 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2002-08 Indianapolis Colts
Kevin Greene, LB/DE – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers
Charles Haley, DE/LB – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys
Marvin Harrison, WR – 1996-2008 Indianapolis Colts
Joe Jacoby, T – 1981-1993 Washington Redskins
Jimmy Johnson, Coach – 1989-1993 Dallas Cowboys, 1996-99 Miami Dolphins
Walter Jones, – T – 1997-2008 Seattle Seahawks
John Lynch, FS – 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos
Karl Mecklenburg, LB – 1983-1994 Denver Broncos
Andre Reed, WR – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins
Will Shields, G – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs
Michael Strahan, DE – 1993-2007 New York Giants
Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner – 1989-2006 National Football League
Aeneas Williams, CB/S – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams
Steve Wisniewski, G – 1989-2001 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders
George Young, Contributor – 1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League

hometeam 11-21-2013 12:28 PM

Guys that certainly deserve it -

Brooks
Greene
Strahan
Tagliabue
Coryell
Anderson

Not saying they are all first ballot or will go. just IMO

Rausch 11-21-2013 12:30 PM

It's time for Bettis to go in.

His style wasn't sexy.

Agreed.

Every year that goes by his odds go down because people forget how dominant he was.

No HB ever initiated more contact, and won, than Bettis.

No HB was ever as effective at demoralizing a defense as Bettis in his prime. He'd be held down, 2.2 ypc, then he'd bust a hole he was supposed to be too bit or too slow to hit and run over 2 or 3 guys.

In the 90's Bettis WAS the fantasy HB. He'd get a guaranteed 80+ a TD. That was the rock you based a team on...

Rausch 11-21-2013 12:31 PM

Kevin Greene not getting in already is ****ing reeruned.

I'm not even going to pimp that. I'll assume he's in...

Rausch 11-21-2013 12:35 PM

Aeneas Williams and Shields will get pushed back because of other guys who should have already made it in.

Even though they both deserve it...

Dayze 11-21-2013 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10209536)
Kevin Greene not getting in already is ****ing reeruned.

I'm not even going to pimp that. I'll assume he's in...

this.

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 12:37 PM

Tim Brown
Paul Tags
Terrell Davis
Ray Guy
Karl Mecklenberg

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 12:37 PM

Strahan, Shields, Jones, Coryell, Brooks.

Senior: Ray Guy.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10209551)
Tim Brown
Paul Tags
Terrell Davis
Ray Guy
Karl Mecklenberg

LMAO

Those guys before Super Bowl winners Brooks and Strahan?

No.

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10209533)
It's time for Bettis to go in.

His style wasn't sexy.

At no time was/is Bettis a HoF runningback.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10209533)
It's time for Bettis to go in.

His style wasn't sexy.

Agreed.

Every year that goes by his odds go down because people forget how dominant he was.

No HB ever initiated more contact, and won, than Bettis.

No HB was ever as effective at demoralizing a defense as Bettis in his prime. He'd be held down, 2.2 ypc, then he'd bust a hole he was supposed to be too bit or too slow to hit and run over 2 or 3 guys.

In the 90's Bettis WAS the fantasy HB. He'd get a guaranteed 80+ a TD. That was the rock you based a team on...

No, not before Strahan, Jones, Shields, Don ****ing Coryell or Derrick Brooks.

Molitoth 11-21-2013 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10209551)
Tim Brown
Paul Tags
Terrell Davis
Ray Guy
Karl Mecklenberg

I'm sorry but Terrell Davis is not HOF worthy in todays standards, imo.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10209520)
Guys that certainly deserve it -

Brooks
Greene
Strahan
Tagliabue
Coryell
Anderson

Not saying they are all first ballot or will go. just IMO

There's only ONE kicker in the NFL HOF.

And Tagliabue can **** himself.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10209561)
I'm sorry but Terrell Davis is not HOF worthy in todays standards, imo.

Tim Brown before Andre Reed?

ROFL

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209554)
LMAO

Those guys before Super Bowl winners Brooks and Strahan?

No.

This isn't about Super Bowl wins. If it is...then a number of people need to come out

Tim Brown - The second best WR of his era with #1 being the GOAT
Paul Tags - The best Commish the league has ever had
Terrell Davis - Dominated the league and was the best runningback in football for 3 straight years with Barry Sanders in the league
Ray Guy - Should already be in, one of the best punters in NFL history
Karl Mecklenberg - okay...this one is pure bias, but he was a great linebacker in the league

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10209561)
I'm sorry but Terrell Davis is not HOF worthy in todays standards, imo.

And neither iis Gayle Sayers, but he's in there.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10209570)
This isn't about Super Bowl wins. If it is...then a number of people need to come out

Tim Brown - The second best WR of his era.
Paul Tags - The best Commish the league has ever had
Terrell Davis - Dominated the league and was the best runningback in football for 3 straight years with Barry Sanders in the league
Ray Guy - Should already be in, one of the best punters in NFL history
Karl Mecklenberg - okay...this one is pure bias, but he was a great linebacker in the league

Bullshit. Everything is about Super Bowl wins.

Tim Brown has no business in the HOF if Andre Reed isn't there.

Terrell Davis? LMAO

Tags was garbage. The press hated him.

Mecklenberg is not a HOFer.

Rausch 11-21-2013 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10209555)
At no time was/is Bettis a HoF runningback.

His numbers and production are top 5 all time.

ALL TIME...

Dayze 11-21-2013 12:45 PM

Derrick Brooks
Marvin Harrison
and Kevin Green are the stand-outs from that list for me.

*edit*...Andre Reed (didn't see him the first time through)

Rausch 11-21-2013 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209578)
Bullshit. Everything is about Super Bowl wins.

No, the HOF is about recognizing the individual.

Rain Man 11-21-2013 12:46 PM

My thoughts on deserving guys (in order):

Will Shields - Come on. 12 pro bowls and you've made the guy wait for two years, and you let that slug Jonathan Ogden push ahead of him last year. No-brainer as the #1 pick.

Morten Andersen - Arguably the best kicker in the history of the NFL. The dominant long-range kicker of his era and scored a zillion points.

Joe Jacoby - I wasn't a Redskins fan, but this guy was the best lineman of his era. Absolutely dominant run blocker.

Kevin Greene - Time to let this guy in.

Aeneas Williams - I think he deserves it. I screwed up and didn't vote for him, but I'd add it.

Guys who I think will go in, but not this year: Brooks, Tagliabue (it's a given), and Marvin Harrison (who might be first ballot if he didn't engage in gunplay). Oh, and add Coryell into that group as a late edit. In a weak year, Charles Haley, Walter Jones, and Roger Craig might slip in, with Jones being the best of that group. None of the others should make it.

On the senior ballot, I think it's time to put Guy in. I don't think he was a better punter than Jerrell Wilson, but Guy has the reputation and should break the apartheid on punters in the HoF. Claude Humphrey was very good, but I don't think he's a HoFer.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10209571)
And neither iis Gayle Sayers, but he's in there.

Different era, multi-purpose player.

Davis was a very good running back for a few years but injuries limited his potential.

That doesn't make him a HOFer, especially when compared to dominating players with longevity (Jones, Shields, Reed).

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209578)
Bullshit. Everything is about Super Bowl wins.
.

Not relative to the Hof. If we were assigning say franchise worth in the NFL then Super Bowls wins would matter. We would put a 40 year cap on it though. Oh shit...NM...then you and your team would lose again. :P

Rausch 11-21-2013 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209560)
No, not before Strahan, Jones, Shields, Don ****ing Coryell or Derrick Brooks.

I'd put Bettis in before Shields.

Bettis was a true freak. Once in a generation (or more) guy.

I'd also put him in before Brooks and **** Strahan...

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10209585)
No, the HOF is about recognizing the individual.

Not really.

The voters seem to favor guys with rings over individual achievements, which is why it took five long years for DT and two years and counting for Will Shields.

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209587)
Different era, multi-purpose player.

Davis was a very good running back for a few years but injuries limited his potential.

That doesn't make him a HOFer, especially when compared to dominating players with longevity (Jones, Shields, Reed).

Davis was the greatest in the league. Its okay...you can admit it. Just like I can say that Shields was a great lineman. But any great RB, like Davis, should be ahead of any lineman.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10209594)
I'd put Bettis in before Shields.

Bettis was a true freak. Once in a generation (or more) guy.

I'd also put him in before Brooks and **** Strahan...

Wow, fully disagree.

If you put in Bettis, then you have to put in Eddie George.

Is Eddie George a HOFer?

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10209582)
His numbers and production are top 5 all time.

ALL TIME...

Only because he hung around forever. If we're going to use the longevity against some like TD, then it should be used against someone like Bettis.

Dayze 11-21-2013 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209601)
Wow, fully disagree.

If you put in Bettis, then you have to put in Eddie George.

Is Eddie George a HOFer?

this is a damned good point.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10209598)
Davis was the greatest in the league. Its okay...you can admit it. Just like I can say that Shields was a great lineman. But any great RB, like Davis, should be ahead of any lineman.

Your knowledge of the NFL would fit in a thimble with room to spare

Dayze 11-21-2013 12:53 PM

I think HOF Running backs are few and far between any more.

Rain Man 11-21-2013 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10209598)
Davis was the greatest in the league. Its okay...you can admit it. Just like I can say that Shields was a great lineman. But any great RB, like Davis, should be ahead of any lineman.

He was definitely better than Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson.

I kind of wish that there was a "Hall of Seasons" where we could put dominant seasons into the Hall as a sort of junior varsity. Terrell Davis and Priest Holmes are both guys who should get credit for having short runs of absolute dominance, but I don't think their full body of work is big enough to immortalize their entire career.

Rain Man 11-21-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10209612)
I think HOF Running backs are few and far between any more.

Yeah, it's hard for me to put second-tier backs alongside guys like Barry Sanders or O.J. (pre-murder) or Walter Payton or even Tony Dorsett. As good as they were, you can't look at a guy like Bettis or Davis and say that they're in the same category.

ciaomichael 11-21-2013 01:04 PM

Can't believe Ray Guy isn't already in it.

Tony Dungy? Are you kidding me? That guy was a pretty good "players" coach", but never to the level of a HOF coach.

Rausch 11-21-2013 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10209604)
Only because he hung around forever. If we're going to use the longevity against some like TD, then it should be used against someone like Bettis.

His 2nd most memorable moment ever might be once he was fare beyond his prime.

He ****ing RUINED Urlacher and two other defenders on his way to the end zone on two completely ****ed knees.

BEFORE his last season he had a lift chair installed in his house...

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-21-2013 01:13 PM

Tags, simply because he's not Goodell.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10209612)
I think HOF Running backs are few and far between any more.

Adrian Peterson is 28 years old and has been a beast during his career.

He has less than half the total yardage of Emmit Smith.

Dayze 11-21-2013 01:23 PM

Point is, how many HOF RBs come out; probably like 1 every 15 years?

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 10209658)
Tags, simply because he's not Goodell.

Yeah, I really liked the part where he held cities and taxpayers hostage in order to get new publicly funded stadiums for billionaire owners.

HemiEd 11-21-2013 01:25 PM

Shields
Strahan
Coryell
Bettis
Harrison


It makes me want to puke on my shoes, but Ray Guy as the senior.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10209678)
Point is, how many HOF RBs come out; probably like 1 every 15 years?

With the diminished importance of running backs, I think it'll be a long time before we see another enter the Hall of Fame.

It's going to be QB's, pass rushers, left tackles and the occasional linebacker/wide receiver for the foreseeable future.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-21-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209680)
Yeah, I really liked the part where he held cities and taxpayers hostage in order to get new publicly funded stadiums for billionaire owners.

That's legitimate business/Rocco

Anywho, I really liked the part where he didn't pussy up the game and try to play mass-marketing guru to the world.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 10209698)
That's legitimate business/Rocco

Anywho, I really liked the part where he didn't pussy up the game and try to play mass-marketing guru to the world.

Sure he did.

NFL Europe?

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-21-2013 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209702)
Sure he did.

NFL Europe?

And Goodell did not learn from this.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 10209708)
And Goodell did not learn from this.

I hate Tagliabue. He fought free agency (Plan B, anyone?), held cities hostage and acted like a ****ing dick, 24-7.

I know people seem to hate Goodell but most of his actions come from Tagliabue looking the other way, especially in regards to concussions.

That said, expansion to Europe is dumb. NFL Europe failed. And what team wants to fly to Europe, which can take a minimum of 12 hours from the West Coast, to play a game at Wembley?

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-21-2013 01:41 PM

True.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 10209725)
True.

He also ****ed Cleveland by allowing Modell to leave for Baltimore, then made Cleveland wait years before getting a new franchise, which has been ****ed in the years since.

He allowed the Rams and Raiders to move, uncontested, the Oilers to move, uncontested and put an NFL Franchise in JACKSONVILLE.

He was a piece of shit.

Halfcan 11-21-2013 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10209561)
I'm sorry but Terrell Davis is not HOF worthy in todays standards, imo.

Exactly expecially since he ran behind a line coated with cooking spray.

Dayze 11-21-2013 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209684)
With the diminished importance of running backs, I think it'll be a long time before we see another enter the Hall of Fame.

It's going to be QB's, pass rushers, left tackles and the occasional linebacker/wide receiver for the foreseeable future.

agree 100%.

htismaqe 11-21-2013 02:01 PM

Only 3 Broncos?

Mama Hip Rockets 11-21-2013 02:04 PM

Kevin Greene (As others have mentioned, I have no idea how this guy is still not in the Hall of Fame. He is third all time in sacks. Should have been a first-ballot guy.)
Michael Strahan
Derrick Brooks
Will Shields
Marvin Harrison

kcxiv 11-21-2013 02:09 PM

Its a hard list,
i picked

Tim Brow
Andre Reed
Will Shields (homer pick)
Michael Strahan
Marvin Harrison

I also want Kevin Greene in there Canonly pick 5 and i should have went with Greene over Harrison, but he deserves it as well. lol

Hard to pick just 5.

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209606)
Your knowledge of the NFL would fit in a thimble with room to spare


Thanks! I appreciate you too.


:shake:

MahiMike 11-21-2013 02:19 PM

Saw Terrell Davis on NFL AM trying to sell himself. This was right after he referred to the Broncos as "WE" won.

**** that guy!

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209732)
He also ****ed Cleveland by allowing Modell to leave for Baltimore, then made Cleveland wait years before getting a new franchise, which has been ****ed in the years since.

He allowed the Rams and Raiders to move, uncontested, the Oilers to move, uncontested and put an NFL Franchise in JACKSONVILLE.

He was a piece of shit.

Man...that sounds like a bunch of nonsense.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10209794)
Its a hard list,
i picked

Tim Brow
Andre Reed
Will Shields (homer pick)
Michael Strahan
Marvin Harrison

I also want Kevin Greene in there Canonly pick 5 and i should have went with Greene over Harrison, but he deserves it as well. lol

Hard to pick just 5.

I can't see three wide receivers out of five potential slots in one year.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10209817)
Man...that sounds like a bunch of nonsense.

You're a ****ing reerun.

Thanks for proving it, once again.

Karl Mecklenberg.

ROFL

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10209794)
Will Shields (homer pick)

Will Shields played 14 years in the NFL. He was a 12 time Pro Bowler, an 8 time All Pro and a member of the All Decade team of the 2000's.

Regardless of whether or not you're a Chiefs fan or Chiefs "Homer", Will Shields belongs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

ThaVirus 11-21-2013 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209684)
With the diminished importance of running backs, I think it'll be a long time before we see another enter the Hall of Fame.

It's going to be QB's, pass rushers, left tackles and the occasional linebacker/wide receiver for the foreseeable future.

Ladainian Tomlinson will get in. Easily.

When will he be eligible?

Imon Yourside 11-21-2013 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10209570)
This isn't about Super Bowl wins. If it is...then a number of people need to come out

Tim Brown - The second best WR of his era with #1 being the GOAT
Paul Tags - The best Commish the league has ever had
Terrell Davis - Dominated the league and was the best runningback in football for 3 straight years with Barry Sanders in the league
Ray Guy - Should already be in, one of the best punters in NFL history
Karl Mecklenberg - okay...this one is pure bias, but he was a great linebacker in the league

I like your takes generally but come on...Terrell Davis? Your crisco line dominated for 3 years I could have run through those holes. Priest Holmes > Terrell Davis. I agree on Brown and Taglibue.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10209830)
Ladainian Tomlinson will get in. Easily.

When will he be eligible?

Then Bettis will get in as well, because there numbers are nearly identical.

Which means Eddie George will get in, too, right?

Sofa King 11-21-2013 02:37 PM

Strahan, Shields, Tim Brown, Morten Anderson, Ray Guy

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 10209832)
I like your takes generally but come on...Terrell Davis? Your crisco line dominated for 3 years I could have run through those holes. Priest Holmes > Terrell Davis. I agree on Brown and Taglibue.

Terrell Davis is a dumb argument.

He played in 78 games. Priest Holmes played in 104.

Davis total yards (rushing and receiving): 8,887 yards, 85 TD's.

Holmes total yards (rushing and receiving): 11,134 with 94 TD's.

No one is advocating Holmes for the Hall of Fame.

warrior 11-21-2013 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209829)
Will Shields played 14 years in the NFL. He was a 12 time Pro Bowler, an 8 time All Pro and a member of the All Decade team of the 2000's.

Regardless of whether or not you're a Chiefs fan or Chiefs "Homer", Will Shields belongs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.



Should have been first ballot even though he was a guard, Will never missed a game in 14 years he also filled in at left tackle several times doing a fine job. One of my favorite chiefs

ThaVirus 11-21-2013 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209847)
Then Bettis will get in as well, because there numbers are nearly identical.

Which means Eddie George will get in, too, right?

What the hell, Dane? Here I am thinking we've made some progress and there you go saying some stupid shit like that..

Bettis has NO WHERE near the HOF resume LT has and the only number that's "identical" is their career rushing yards totals at 13,684 to 13,662- advantage LT.

LT had more yards on less carries and games played (he averaged nearly a half yard more per carry than Bettis), more than three times as many receiving yards, and 68 more TDs. That's a big one.

LT fumbled the ball, on average, once every 126 touches to Bettis's 89. LT averaged a TD every 23 touches to Bettis's 39.

LT had three seasons of 1,500+ rushing yards to Bettis's one.

LT had three seasons of 2,000+ yards from scrimmage. Bettis never even came close.

LT had a season in which he amassed 1600+ rushing yards AND 100 receptions. That's incredible. Bettis never had a season in which he caught more than 31 passes.

LT broke the single season TD record with 31. Bettis's best season TD-wise was 13.

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN (Post 10209832)
I like your takes generally but come on...Terrell Davis? Your crisco line dominated for 3 years I could have run through those holes. Priest Holmes > Terrell Davis. I agree on Brown and Taglibue.

Davis not only out performed Sanders during that time...he also out performed Emmitt Smith during that same span. Marshall Faulk never out performed TD on the ground.

He gained 2000 yards on the ground while missing almost 2 full games in bench time because the Broncos were so far ahead.

come on...this guy deserves it.

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209822)
You're a ****ing reerun.

Thanks for proving it, once again.

Karl Mecklenberg.

ROFL

It is a bunch of nonsense. Just like your life and your friends. It's why you struggle to communicate with others, and ultimately why no one likes you.

Garcia Bronco 11-21-2013 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209862)
Terrell Davis is a dumb argument.

He played in 78 games. Priest Holmes played in 104.

Davis total yards (rushing and receiving): 8,887 yards, 85 TD's.

Holmes total yards (rushing and receiving): 11,134 with 94 TD's.

No one is advocating Holmes for the Hall of Fame.

But that's obviously not the whole story is it

TD, in 2 seasons ran for over 1000 yards...in the playoffs...with 8 straight 100 yards games with a SB MVP and a league MVP and 11 touch downs.

Good NFL Runningbacks don't do that. Hall of Fame runningbacks do.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10210064)
It is a bunch of nonsense. Just like your life and your friends. It's why you struggle to communicate with others, and ultimately why no one likes you.

What?


LMAO

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 10210083)
But that's obviously not the whole story is it

TD, in 2 seasons ran for over 1000 yards...in the playoffs...with 8 straight 100 yards games with a SB MVP and a league MVP and 11 touch downs.

Good NFL Runningbacks don't do that. Hall of Fame runningbacks do.

Not gonna happen.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10210038)
What the hell, Dane? Here I am thinking we've made some progress and there you go saying some stupid shit like that..

Bettis has NO WHERE near the HOF resume LT has and the only number that's "identical" is their career rushing yards totals at 13,684 to 13,662- advantage LT.

LT had more yards on less carries and games played (he averaged nearly a half yard more per carry than Bettis), more than three times as many receiving yards, and 68 more TDs. That's a big one.

LT fumbled the ball, on average, once every 126 touches to Bettis's 89. LT averaged a TD every 23 touches to Bettis's 39.

LT had three seasons of 1,500+ rushing yards to Bettis's one.

LT had three seasons of 2,000+ yards from scrimmage. Bettis never even came close.

LT had a season in which he amassed 1600+ rushing yards AND 100 receptions. That's incredible. Bettis never had a season in which he caught more than 31 passes.

LT broke the single season TD record with 31. Bettis's best season TD-wise was 13.

Agree to disagree.

He was a very good running back but he didn't lead his team to the Super Bowl and never won it. And while Barry Sanders didn't win a Super Bowl either, I never confused Tomlinson with Sanders.

I don't think Bettis belongs, either.

ILChief 11-21-2013 04:29 PM

Will shields will get robbed again

Kingsburg#12 11-21-2013 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10209578)
Bullshit. Everything is about Super Bowl wins.

Tim Brown has no business in the HOF if Andre Reed isn't there.

Terrell Davis? LMAO

Tags was garbage. The press hated him.

Mecklenberg is not a HOFer.

This is loaded with fail. You say it's all about Super Bowl wins and then say 7x PRO Bowler Andre Reed should be in before 9x PRO Bowler Tim Brown. Neither won a super bowl.

Ray Guy, the GOAT punter should definitely be in the HOF. He won 3 Super Bowls.

By your own logic, there won't be many Chiefs in the HOF.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingsburg#12 (Post 10210203)
This is loaded with fail. You say it's all about Super Bowl wins and then say 7x PRO Bowler Andre Reed should be in before 9x PRO Bowler Tim Brown. Neither won a super bowl.

Ray Guy, the GOAT punter should definitely be in the HOF. He won 3 Super Bowls.

By your own logic, there won't be many Chiefs in the HOF.

Andre Reed was a premiere receiver that more than helped the Bills to four consecutive Super Bowls and five consecutive AFC Championship games.

Furthermore, who, besides the current Chiefs and Will Shields, deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? A solid case could be made for O.T. but that is unlikely to happen.

You've failed to prove anything, other than your own dumbassery.

ThaVirus 11-21-2013 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10210106)
Agree to disagree.

He was a very good running back but he didn't lead his team to the Super Bowl and never won it. And while Barry Sanders didn't win a Super Bowl either, I never confused Tomlinson with Sanders.

I don't think Bettis belongs, either.

:facepalm:

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10210234)
:facepalm:

Besides the fact that you're a ****ing twat, what made LaDanian Tomlinson transcendent?

Why does he deserve to be canonized next to Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett, Marcus Allen, Emmitt Smith and Franco Harris?

Kingsburg#12 11-21-2013 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10210220)
Andre Reed was a premiere receiver that more than helped the Bills to four consecutive Super Bowls and five consecutive AFC Championship games.

Furthermore, who, besides the current Chiefs and Will Shields, deserve to be in the Hall of Fame? A solid case could be made for O.T. but that is unlikely to happen.

You've failed to prove anything, other than your own dumbassery.

Reed had the benefit of a better team and much better QB. Brown out produced Reed in Receptions,, Yards, Touchdowns and All Purpose Yards.
You are a MORON

Kingsburg#12 11-21-2013 05:16 PM

Troll DaneMcDouche is an absolute ass. Giving negative rep. You're a F'ing infant.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingsburg#12 (Post 10210247)
Reed had the benefit of a better team and much better QB. Brown out produced Reed in Receptions,, Yards, Touchdowns and All Purpose Yards.
You are a MORON

He didn't win shit and he does not belong in the Hall of Fame with Jerry Rice, Lynn Swann and Michael Irvin BEFORE Andre Reed.

He wasn't a transcendent player. Get over it.

DaneMcCloud 11-21-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingsburg#12 (Post 10210260)
Troll DaneMcDouche is an absolute ass. Giving negative rep. You're a F'ing infant.

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