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penbrook 12-10-2013 11:31 PM

Eric Fisher at LT or RT...
 
Let's face it Branden Albert more than likely will not be back next year. That leaves us with Stephenson and Fisher as out Tackles.

There has been talk about moving Fisher back to his original position of Left Tackle but Stephenson has shown he is more than capable of being a solid Left Tackle. Why fix something that ain't broke.

Next year it should be Stephensons job to lose at Left Tackle.

Hammock Parties 12-10-2013 11:32 PM

i'm a big fan of hamburgers and pizza

RunKC 12-10-2013 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10267472)
i'm a big fan of hamburgers and pizza

what about hamburger flavored pizza?

OrtonsPiercedTaint 12-10-2013 11:35 PM

Do you have your visions of future events while you are awake?
And what is your success rate?

Hammock Parties 12-10-2013 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10267477)
what about hamburger flavored pizza?

can be a good thing but i feel both greatnesses are diluted by this melding

HoneyBadger 12-10-2013 11:37 PM

I made poopie

Canofbier 12-10-2013 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10267477)
what about hamburger flavored pizza?

I shit you not: there was bacon cheeseburger salad at the cafeteria at work today. I scoffed at it when I first saw it, but I'll be damned if I didn't grab a small portion of it before I confronted the cashier.

ChiefRocka 12-11-2013 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10267472)
i'm a big fan of hamburgers and pizza

Do you shit on them every chance you get also?

TribalElder 12-11-2013 06:43 AM

Move him to safety

Ace Gunner 12-11-2013 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10267481)
can be a good thing but i feel both greatnesses are diluted by this melding

minsky's cheeseburger pizza
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ky-s-pizza.jpg

I didn't try it, but my friends did and they liked it.

Fisher is going to be this team's LT next year. Not sure how anyone can believe otherwise.

Ace Gunner 12-11-2013 07:21 AM

also, there was a lot of questions surrounding Stephenson's foot speed and particularly his lacking lateral quickness -- there were questions whether Stephenson could play OT at this level because of those two factors. He's obviously worked on this, but he is not in Fisher's league as far as those two factors go.

htismaqe 12-11-2013 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook (Post 10267471)
Let's face it Branden Albert more than likely will not be back next year. That leaves us with Stephenson and Fisher as out Tackles.

There has been talk about moving Fisher back to his original position of Left Tackle but Stephenson has shown he is more than capable of being a solid Left Tackle. Why fix something that ain't broke.

Next year it should be Stephensons job to lose at Left Tackle.

I agree that it should be Stephenson's job to lose but make sure it's a real competition. If Fisher comes out in the offseason and shows he's ready to take the spot, give it to him.

Either way, I think we're in good shape.

KCUnited 12-11-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ace Gunner (Post 10267699)
minsky's cheeseburger pizza
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ky-s-pizza.jpg

I didn't try it, but my friends did and they liked it.

Fisher is going to be this team's LT next year. Not sure how anyone can believe otherwise.

That's a Prime Cut, delicious btw. Their cheeseburger pizza is above average as well, sans onion, of course.

wazu 12-11-2013 07:32 AM

Reid has claimed he doesn't value LT over RT.

BlackHelicopters 12-11-2013 07:33 AM

Can he play RF?

Rausch 12-11-2013 07:40 AM

7

http://www.fungoofylol.com/wp-conten...04/wtf_art.jpg

T-post Tom 12-11-2013 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead (Post 10267481)
can be a good thing but i feel both greatnesses are diluted by this melding

Not unlike when Paris Hilton's parents decided to have kids.

BossChief 12-11-2013 08:10 AM

I'm justgladsomeone finally started a thread like this so that we can all have a place we can talk about this.

Thank you, Penbrook.

Thank you.

Sandy Vagina 12-11-2013 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10267708)
I agree that it should be Stephenson's job to lose but make sure it's a real competition. If Fisher comes out in the offseason and shows he's ready to take the spot, give it to him.

Either way, I think we're in good shape.

Pretty much THIS. Don't spend a ton of time on this competition... but give each a chance to really make the determination. Then, let them stay put and get to work on their respective spots. Should be enough offseason time for them to get comfortable and ready for September.

Mr. Laz 12-11-2013 10:11 AM

RT the rest of this year
LT next year

competition will be involved, of course

Fat Elvis 12-11-2013 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 10267713)
Reid has claimed he doesn't value LT over RT.

In today's NFL with pass rushers coming from both sides of the line that is a smart move.

Mr. Laz 12-11-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 10267713)
Reid has claimed he doesn't value LT over RT.

Doesn't have to be "over"

imo Fisher is a better fit at LT, Stephenson at RT

htismaqe 12-11-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ComoLaz (Post 10268005)
RT the rest of this year
LT next year

competition will be involved, of course

Yeah, I'm fine with people assuming Fisher will win a open competition for the LT job.

I'm just not fine with people thinking Fisher should be the LT because of where or why he was drafted.

Mav 12-11-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 10267713)
Reid has claimed he doesn't value LT over RT.

This is the point that no one wishes to accept.

Thank you for making it.

Mr. Laz 12-11-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10268093)
This is the point that no one wishes to accept.

Thank you for making it.

In my mind, value doesn't have anything to do with it.

Fisher looks to be a prototypical LT and Stephenson a RT

Fisher move to RT because of Albert and if that roadblock leaves then Fisher should be considered for the LT position.

RealSNR 12-11-2013 12:55 PM

We should probably prepare for when Donald Stephenson's contract is up in 2016. Draft a tackle in the first round. Can never have too much depth. Groom him for the role.

And while the rookie gets settled in awhile, we probably need to think about Fisher's replacement after that. Don't want to overpay on our next contract, especially if he's not the greatest LT of all time!

Snapplez 12-11-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ComoLaz (Post 10268252)
In my mind, value doesn't have anything to do with it.

Fisher looks to be a prototypical LT and Stephenson a RT

Fisher move to RT because of Albert and if that roadblock leaves then Fisher should be considered for the LT position.

I think they roll with Stephenson at LT next year. They didn't bat an eye moving him to LT when Albert went down instead of putting the franchise RT in at LT. That doesn't show me they have a ton of faith in him switching sides to his "natural position" or some bullshit

The Franchise 12-11-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapplez (Post 10268553)
I think they roll with Stephenson at LT next year. They didn't bat an eye moving him to LT when Albert went down instead of putting the franchise RT in at LT. That doesn't show me they have a ton of faith in him switching sides to his "natural position" or some bullshit

Or it was the simple fact that moving Fisher from RT to LT after playing half of a season at RT would be reeruned.

htismaqe 12-11-2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ComoLaz (Post 10268252)
In my mind, value doesn't have anything to do with it.

Fisher looks to be a prototypical LT and Stephenson a RT

Fisher move to RT because of Albert and if that roadblock leaves then Fisher should be considered for the LT position.

Actually, they're both prototypical LTs.

Sorter 12-11-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace Gunner (Post 10267703)
also, there was a lot of questions surrounding Stephenson's foot speed and particularly his lacking lateral quickness -- there were questions whether Stephenson could play OT at this level because of those two factors. He's obviously worked on this, but he is not in Fisher's league as far as those two factors go.

What in the **** are you talking about?

Stephenson posted a top 10 3 cone for OL at the combine (7.52 seconds), as well as better 10 and 20 yard times than Kalil, Glenn, Reiff, Adams, Osemele, and Schwartz, to name a few.

ChiefsCountry 12-11-2013 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10268709)
What in the **** are you talking about?

Stephenson posted a top 10 3 cone for OL at the combine (7.52 seconds), as well as better 10 and 20 yard times than Kalil, Glenn, Reiff, Adams, Osemele, and Schwartz, to name a few.

Dude he is a ****ing moron.

Sorter 12-11-2013 01:48 PM

Additionally, Stephenson out performed Fisher in 10, 20, 40 yard times as well as 3 cone.

Sorter 12-11-2013 01:50 PM

ROFL.

From NFL.com:
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Stephenson is very quick out of his stance, and this is his one shining quality. Has good footwork and is a lateral mover...Good when puling and working in the open field

RealSNR 12-11-2013 02:01 PM

Sorter, did Ace Gunner ever tell you his theory about why Branden Albert had more success in his rookie year than he did in 2009?

ChiefsCountry 12-11-2013 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10268753)
Sorter, did Ace Gunner ever tell you his theory about why Branden Albert had more success in his rookie year than he did in 2009?

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/K...stVkTOJC-m.jpg

ct 12-11-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10268753)
Sorter, did Ace Gunner ever tell you his theory about why Branden Albert had more success in his rookie year than he did in 2009?

link? must read

Sorter 12-11-2013 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10268753)
Sorter, did Ace Gunner ever tell you his theory about why Branden Albert had more success in his rookie year than he did in 2009?

No but I'd love to read about it.

ChiefsCountry 12-11-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ct (Post 10268770)
link? must read

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10268773)
No but I'd love to read about it.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=259

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...2&postcount=18

Sorter 12-11-2013 02:15 PM

Oh my.

Easy 6 12-11-2013 02:24 PM

I could personally care less where they put'em, but i'd bet my last dollar they want Fish at left tackle if at all possible.

Mav 12-11-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 10268834)
I could personally care less where they put'em, but i'd bet my last dollar they want Fish at left tackle if at all possible.

I don't. It was well documented that Andy sees em as interchangeable.

Ace Gunner 12-12-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10268709)
What in the **** are you talking about?

Stephenson posted a top 10 3 cone for OL at the combine (7.52 seconds), as well as better 10 and 20 yard times than Kalil, Glenn, Reiff, Adams, Osemele, and Schwartz, to name a few.

3 cone drill is a lateral movement drill? nope. no lateral movement. basically wtf are you talking about son

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this is a lateral movement drill

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htismaqe 12-12-2013 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ace Gunner (Post 10270534)
3 cone drill is a lateral movement drill? nope. no lateral movement. basically wtf are you talking about son

You conveniently neglected the fact that you said lateral movement AND foot speed.

God you're dumb.

Ace Gunner 12-12-2013 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10270562)
You conveniently neglected the fact that you said lateral movement AND foot speed.

God you're dumb.

we're talking offensive linemen here. sprints aren't part of the discussion unless you're a desperate argumentative idiot.

Sorter 12-12-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace Gunner (Post 10270572)
we're talking offensive linemen here. sprints aren't part of the discussion unless you're a desperate argumentative idiot.

You're the one who mentioned foot speed as a part of your argument.

Originally Posted by Ace Gunner:
Quote:

also, there was a lot of questions surrounding Stephenson's foot speed and particularly his lacking lateral quickness
Then, when provided with links discussing his ability to move laterally, his quickness ("foot speed") and documented occurrences of him outperforming Fisher in combine events relevant to the traits discussed, you become upset and decide "well, that wasn't a part of the discussion".

Ace Gunner 12-12-2013 12:46 PM

He's an OL player. His area of the field is merely a few square yards. players like this need to be able to keep their balance while blocking, which requires fast foot speed. Not sure why you don't get that from this discussion, but hey.. that's what we want from linemen, is footspeed to recover, footspeed to move in all directions, too, including laterally, to keep in front of pass rushers.

Stephenson doesn't move in any direction better/quicker than Fisher. Not imo. If that's your opinion, okay. But links to other opinions just don't weigh as heavily as simply watching these two players on the field.

If they don't put Fisher at LT when Albert leaves, I'll acknowledge your victory here. But if Fisher is the future LT & Stephenson is not, I think my point is proven.

Rausch 12-12-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace Gunner (Post 10271206)
He's an OL player. His area of the field is merely a few square yards. players like this need to be able to keep their balance while blocking, which requires fast foot speed. Not sure why you don't get that from this discussion, but hey.. that's what we want from linemen, is footspeed to recover, footspeed to move in all directions, too, including laterally, to keep in front of pass rushers.

Stephenson doesn't move in any direction better/quicker than Fisher. Not imo. If that's your opinion, okay. But links to other opinions just don't weigh as heavily as simply watching these two players on the field. .

Fish has $#it leverage, strength, and mobility compared to 2/3rds the teams we've played.

Offensive line battles are won by:

1) First touch and ability to direct contact. Be explosive and the first to direct the battle.

2) Leverage. You either have it or you don't...

The Franchise 12-12-2013 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace Gunner (Post 10271206)
But if Fisher is the future LT & Stephenson is not, I think my point is proven.

Or they put Fisher at LT because of his draft position.

Easy 6 12-12-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10269378)
I don't. It was well documented that Andy sees em as interchangeable.

The good news is that i don't care either way, as long as what they decide on works.

BlackHelicopters 12-12-2013 02:19 PM

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