Late Night Bullshit: how do we match up against Indy?
 

I don't think we need to respect their running game much, but I think they have a couple guys that will give us trouble in the passing game.

Do we have anybody that has the speed to cover TY Hilton?

How about Heyward-Bey?

Those two have the speed to really put a hurtin on us.

Sets up to be a shootout unless we can get pressure on Luck.

I didn't realize that Lucks stats are damn near identical to Smiths

Kill the head and the body will die

I am glad they won this week. They are 10-0 following a loss since the start of 2012.

I mean, it's not hard to practice the deep ball against our secondary when you have two burners like that.

When they practice, they can just put a cardboard cutout of Lewis and Demps back there in the secondary and it would be somewhat realistic and I don't think our corners can hang with them.

Flowers matches up well on the shorter stuff with either, but can't compete in the open field with either.

Cooper is a lot better than his current perception because of lacking safety help, but he is our fastest corner iirc and no way does he have the speed to stay with Hilton or DHB.

This is a game that our safeties need to answer the bell, or we are gonna have trouble not only this week, but also in the playoffs.

The Pass rush needs to "get home" a lot so that it limits their ability to take advantage of those long developing plays.

Heyward-Bey doesn't start. It's Hilton and Rogers.

No, but from the perspective of my fantasy football team, Luck never ****ing throws to him anyway. :# So I think we'll be fine there.

I'm not counting on shit with our defensive backs and Bob Sutton's inability to adjust to offenses.

You sure?

DHB is listed as their starter on their website and Rodgers only has 15 targets and 8 receptions.

DHB ran 4th string against the Texans. He was brought in on running plays to block. Yeah....I'm sure.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if DHB and Hilton have a combined >150 yards 2tds

with the new rules and officiating, all big games are a shootout

so the real answer is, if the Chiefs can outscore the Lucks, they win

I have the Chiefs winning this one

With Cincinnati losing last night and Baltimore winning tonight, the odds of playing Indy over WCW are getting worse.

Granted, there are other factors, but for the most part, if we win Sunday, we probably play Indy.

If we lose Sunday, we probably play NE or the AFCN winner.

Thankfully, Bey has perhaps the worst hands in the entire NFL, Hilton is still nursing a shoulder problem and is 5'10" on a good day and their offensive line is struggling to protect Luck. As well, they can't run the ball for shit. It's a one man show at this point and Luck is forcing a lot at this point.

Personally, I think that we waffle stomp a mudhole in their ass.

That's strange, then. The official Indy website has the depth chart with DHB and Hilton as the starters and Rodgers as the third guy.

DHB has 30 catches and 62 targets.

Rodgers has 8 catches on 15 targets...that seems really low for a starter.

Sure would be nice if we can stomp them while continuing to let the elbow heal for Houston.

That would make the playoff matchup that much sweeter.

I think our front 7 (even with Houston out) is much better than Indys front line and that they are gonna need to keep extra blockers back to protect the franchise. If we can force them to do that, I don't think DHB or Hilton are gonna factor in much.

We played these guys pretty tight last season and Jamaal went the **** off if I remember correctly. We're two totally different teams this year but I'd expect it to be close and I'd also expect Jamaal to go off again.

I expect our CBs to get burned by Hilton and Heyward-Bey.

I expect Lewis and Demps to take some terrible angles that make big plays worse.

I expect to shut down their run game.

I expect to sack luck 3+ times.

I expect Jamaal to go off.

It's very possible. If Indy and Cincy win this Sunday, and New England loses at Baltimore... which is very possible, Patriots are the 4 seed going into the final week.

If the secondary plays like it has been the Chiefs will lose

We need to win this game.

Losing likely means playing the AFCN winner - and both those teams play defense.

We can't stop anyone right now, so we need to play someone who is going to struggle to stop us as well.

We need to get back to playing defense.

Absolutely. Although I do think we can beat the Bengals.

How?

Their defense isn't going to give up the 30+ necessary for us to win - because unless something dramatic happens quickly, we cant stop anyone.

We just gave up 31 to Matt McGloin.

Pretty sure Dalton and AJ can at least match that.

That defense isn't nearly the same without Atkins in the middle.

I love how people have adopted Direckshun's "Late Night Bullshit".

Reid is a better coach than Lewis and Dalton is garbage. Look at how that team has performed every year in the playoffs.

Well.

It may not be the same, but it's still not giving up 30+ points to our offense.

Cincinnati fans are probably saying the exact same thing about us.

Why?

Pitt just put up 30 on them.

Robert Mathis is an elite rushbacker
he will sack the shit out alex smith

People here get testy if you call out bob sutton. Shit we had like 6 or 7 turnovvers and won giving up 31 points to some noname asshat. Nothing wrong witb big game bob. Move along

There is absolutely nothing about that team that scares me...

Why does it always go on coaches here? It's always the coaches fault.

How bout, our defensive players need to play better?

You obviously didn't watch that game.

You can hold the Bengals defense accountable for 16 points.

When they have to our players make a play.

5 turnovers just don't ****ing happen on their own...

Who would you rather have? Alex Smith or Andy Dalton?


Marvin Lewis or Andy Reid?

I'm not saying it would be a guaranteed victory but when you have the better coach and QB you should win. Plus the Chiefs don't turn the ball over so they have a chance to win any game.

Well we do seem to have a pretty opportunistic defense and special teams, we will prolly need something from them at some point in the playoffs.

As for the Colts the only thing is they have Andrew Luck who's a great QB and they did beat the 3 best teams in the NFL.

At Pittsburgh, sure.

It'd be different if the game was in Cincinnati, where they are 6-0 at home.

Pass rush. That's the key to everything at this point. Gotta find it.

Cinci is every bit as schizo as the Colts.

Cinci goes as Dalton goes and he's easily flustered...

Because when you blame the players, there's always some excuse.

Hali has been invisible for the last five weeks, other than the Washington game.

Excuse: He's not 100% healthy, he's missing Houston.

Poe and DeVito have been nonfactors in the pass rush lately.

Excuse: They are tired.

It's never, "they need to play better", it's always an excuse.

Although the Chiefs didn't get any sacks, there were some pass rush that DID force McGloin to throw earlier than he wanted to, and he got picked off in the process.

Yeah, but there is probably some validity to all that.

But still, I'm just not gonna lay it on the coaches like that. I think it's a cop out when coaches get shit on like that.

We aren't outside of Poe, very dynamic upfront and it shows

There's a difference between an explanation and an excuse.

Shit they dot really have to play "better" just play with intensity and play smart. We pretty much gave the faid 2 if not 3 tds by being stupid and lazy

Indy and Cinci are better teams playing at home than on the road, which apparently does apply to almost every team in the NFL anyways.

Cincinnati - 6-0 at home / 3-5 on the road.
Indianapolis - 5-2 at home / 4-3 on the road.

So they're both better at home, and near average on the road.

I don't like the Cincinnati match-up to well. Cincinnati is very good at home (6-0 record) and they are 10th in the NFL in yards per game (offensively) and 11th in PPG, while their defense is 6th in the NFL for YPG, and 6th in the NFL for points given up.

Statistically speaking (I never seen Indy/Cincy play much, so I can't really comment on the eye test, meaning actually seeing them play, other than that I saw the Bengals getting beat by the Squeelers last night), it doesn't favor KC in that regard, in my opinion.

I can't wait to get Houston back. Hopefully he'll be in football shape and ready to roll once the playoffs start. We have missed him immensely.

I don't think so.

As stated, the only real threat they have right now is Hilton and he's still dealing with a shoulder problem and he's also about 5 inches shorter than either of our corners (other than Flowers, who is a substantially better corner than Hilton is a receiver at this point). He also has had a real problem with drops this season.

It is literally a one man show in Indy right now with Luck passing the ball as well as being their best running option.

If there was one team with a worse receiving corps than the Chiefs, it's the Colts as they currently stand.

However, I wouldn't necessarily forget about DaRick Rogers, who had a monster game two weeks ago in his first real start for the Colts. He's big and fast.

The Colts on defense are seeing Robert Mathis have a career year, but our tackles/line has played considerably better since the switch to Stephenson/Fisher/Schwartz on the line. No one else is really a factor.

The Colts really aren't that good.

I have a feeling we're going to see a lot more A gap blitz concepts in the post season.

Because?

Why do you think the defense has buttfarted

We allow fewer pts than they do.

We also score more pts than they do.

Playoff seeds IMO

1.Denver 13-3
2.Pats 11-5
3.Colts 10-6 Win Tie Breaker SOV
4.Ravens-10-6
5.Chiefs-12-4
6.Bengals 10-6

Again, I don't fear a single team round 1.

Frankly, I don't fear the Pats either...

Agree with you.

Because I've seen a gradual increase from the past 4 games.




As to the second part, I'd have to re-watch a few games to really come up with something worthwhile right now. I think that there's been a lack of pressure from our interior players, not very many FZ concepts used, poor safety play, etc. and that's contributed. Also, our 3rd quarter inefficiency on offense isn't helping this team.

Unless our defense finds itself, all those teams scare me.

We new to play 2 good defensive games from here out, it's not gonna be a switch to flip

Better hope Houston back then.

I watched the Texans vs Colts game. Da'Rick Rogers is currently the Colts' number 2 receiver. Griff Whalen was playing in the slot and had a decent game but LaVon Brazill will likely be back this week and play in the slot.

DHB has not been involved in the Colts offense for weeks.

You are correct on both accounts, I won't dispute that, even though KC is only 28.5 and Cincinnati is at 25.3. So we'll just call it a FG, and KC is giving up 18.2 to Cincinnati's 19.6. So a safety at best.

I'm more concerned about the yardage given up by the Chiefs defense, and how much Cinci gives up on their end. Cincinnati is 6th in the NFL in giving up total yards, while KC is 22nd.

I know, I know, points per game is where it should be valued, but the yardage given up has to be taken into consideration as well.

I wonder if there is a website somewhere that allows you to figure out a team's splits in terms of scoring/yards and scoring given up/yardage in terms of home/away splits....

Maybe there is one, that I am unaware of, or am unable to find it?

Only if you lose...

I think we match up okay, but I'm not holding out much hope for a win yet. Quite the curse going.

We sure did more of that towards the beginning of the year and it was highly effective. It sure does seem that they are trying their best to keep a couple aces in their sleeves for the playoffs.

The defense is night and day without Justin Houston.

I didn't realize how much of a monster he was till he got hurt

Chiefs net points this season 144
Colts net points this season 19

Plus we have Chad Hall!

The matchup is great offensively. Defensively, its a crap shoot. If our heroic defense shows up for 4 quarters, this might end up being one for the ages, watching us clobber a division champion in the regular season right before we get our chance to play them in the playoffs in their dome, /sigh. If we turn the pressure up on Luck, good god is this one going to get ugly for Indy, Luck's going to turn the ball over if we get any amount of pressure on him, especially the way Sutton's been on our guys with jumping routes lately lol.

This O-Line is pretty good at shutting down elite pass rushers. They will give up sacks to nobodies, but I can't think of an elite passrusher this year who has dominated this line.

3 points in first 27 minutes against Eggo. 38 the last 33 without him. We are cruising to Homefield without that injury.

Makes you wonder about the outcome of the second Denver game as well.

Indy doesn't scare me as much as ravens. Flacco is insane in the playoffs.

I have mentioned that previously as well. Tamba was still gimpy in that one as well.

I have a lot of friends who are Broncos fans (one of my rewards for living in Colorado) and I keep telling them that if I were the Broncos I would be worried about playing us in the playoffs. They have yet to blow us out and both games were winnable, especially the second one without Houston and a gimpy Hali.

As for this thread for whatever reason Indy does not scare me. Sure they have beaten some good teams, but I also think a good portion of their record is based on playing the pathetically weak AFC South.

Yea helps when the refs throw or don't throw a flag to give you a better chance to win.

Amazing games for them latley

And the counterargument to that is that we've played the pathetically weak NFC East.

The Colts are a good team - you don't beat the Broncos, Niners and Seahawks by accident. But I agree that they are the best shot at winning a playoff game, especially if our defense decides to show up.

Here's the thing with Flacco that works to our advantage though.

1. Dude is a statue in the pocket. You don't have to worry about him escaping or eluding the pass rush.

2. He will take shots deep. But he'll also take shots when he shouldn't.

Our real concern in that game is Torrey Smith and that defense.

Hilton's not the problem this week, as his yardage home and road splits are atrocious, save for one game.

HOME - 20 (Oak), 124 (MIA), 140, 2 TD's (SEA), 27 (DEN), 130 (STL), 46 (TEN), 78 (HOU) for an 80.7 yd/game average

AWAY - 13 (@SF), 45 (@JAC), 43 (@SD), 121, 3 TD's (@HOU), 44 (@TEN), 38 (@ARI), 7 (@CIN) for a 44 yard average, 32 if you take out the Houston game

But taking away Hilton hasn't really affected Luck's home/road splits, although he's not putting up great numbers with or without Hilton having a big game:

HOME - 178 (OAK), 321 (MIA), 229 (SEA), 228 (DEN), 353 (STL), 200 (TEN), 180 (HOU) for and average of 241 yards per game
AWAY - 159 (@SF), 257 (@JAC), 202 (@SD), 271 (@HOU), 232 (@TEN), 163 (@ARI), 326 (@CIN) for an average of 230 yards per game

Indy's new offensive co-ordinator has really tried to make them a run-first offense and it hasn't worked.