Did the Chiefs/Reid hold anything back the last time against Indy?
 

I've stated that I think Reid held back Charles and his best plays the last time we played Indy. Others have said that was their best effort, just a bad day. What say you?

I need to read my private newsletter to figure this out.

Collectively, their heads were not in the game. I don't know the reason for that.

I'm starting to think they did.

The play calling lacked creativity for sure in that game. I felt we didn't show our entire hand but we also played pretty poorly. I really don't see the Colts defense being that good, I think it was one of our worst offensive games but that isn't solely because of the Colts defense.

I think the idea of a coach "holding back" may be the most absurd recurring topic on chiefsplanet.

While I'm sure the coaches have a handful of plays they hang on to, overall they are giving every effort to win.

Did you guys still have a chance for the AFC West at the kickoff of that game?

I feel very good heading into this game. We are rested and well prepared. I think we can make it to the AFC championship game at Denver this year.

Yes.

No.

I don't know the answer but if in the first series Charles gains 5-6 yards on 1st down and then we try to pass on the next two I'd say no, Andy didn't hold anything back the first game.

I'm not saying that they laid down or took a dive in any way. But that doesn't mean that they have to give Charles 25-30 touches that game, call their best plays. How many touches did Charles have after the first series?

I would bet that Charles will have triple that # on Saturday. That's the Chiefs best effort. The best playcalling.

I'll let you know on Saturday night around 7PM
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They held a ball gag in their mouths.

Completely absurd. We were still playing for home field for ****s sake. Stupidest thing ever thinking they just tanked the game. Just an off day all around.

I do not think they necessarily held anything back, but I do think they packed it in the second half when it became evident that the team was not playing well....no reason to waste playcalls that might come in handy in the playoffs when the players were playing like shit.

Jamaal has has averaged 20.5 touches per game this season. Against Indy he had 18.

No we got owned because we are pretenders and we suck and Alex Smith sucks. /cp

We won't be in Denver if we are in the championship game.

We be in NE or Cincy, or KC.

Here's a wild idea.

Maybe the Colts are just a better team?
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Love how we overlook their stinkers against teams like the Lambs.

I do not think they held back.

I do think they mailed it in because they'd clinched a playoff birth though. Which isn't okay, but I think we'll at least show up with more intensity on Saturday. At least I'd hope so.

They were that day.

Doesn't say much about us. They lost their biggest weapon for the season and crushed us by 16, and it wasn't even really that close.

Unleash Charles and TAMHOUS on their asses.

It was cold and the 12th man was weak in that game.

No. We were soft. That is all.

How many in the first drive? We finished that drive in what 2-3 minutes?

Lets say he has 4 touches in that first drive. Now you have 58 minutes of football and Charles touches it 14 times.

Again, I'm not saying that they tanked on purpose or they went into the game saying we are holding back these plays for the playoffs or anything like that.

But, I ALSO know that was some shitty play calling and Charles should have touched the ball more. Conspiracy? Planned? I don't think so but they definitely didn't empty the playbook of their best plays on that day.

Nope but they played like crap. I think they will be ready on Saturday.

You can slice and dice any set of numbers to get the answer you want. The "holding something back" idea just seems to be more wishful by fans trying to rationalize why we might get a different outcome this time.

It's just much more straight forward to think that we had a bad game that day and hope that we play better on Saturday.

I think the coaches scaled back on the playbook and went vanilla after it was obvious the team on the field wasn't executing worth a shit.

Wishful thinking up in this thread.

Justin Houston

Bowe was high...

I've stated no conspiracy was in place. Just found it interesting that the idea is being talked about throughout all Chief fans. Probably like you said............some kind of subliminal reason as to why this Saturday will be different than the last game.

Of course he did. Andy is the Mandy!

Even the players said after the game that they knew they would be facing the Colts again and that they didn't give the best effort.

Like a porn star filming a long scene, hell ya we held back.

MahiMike how are ya? Hosting a chiefs watch party at my house with our group. You should make the trip. We have a huge competitive smoker for the meat and a professional margarita machine.

We slacked after making it into the playoffs-they looked like they didn't want to play hard and get hurt. It was ugly and the Colts came out fired up.

Its not absurd to think that Reid called the game vanilla after his players stopped putting in effort after the 1st qtr..

Chargers over Cinci, we play NE and they play Denver no?

Did they set out to play conservatively? No probably not, but I think a coach can adapt to lack of effort and the likelihood of playing the same team in the playoffs and shelve their game plan a bit..

Preface: I happen to be a very patient person who has no problem with delayed gratification.

Before the game I told my buddies that I hoped the Chiefs would not attempt to fully exploit any holes that they found in the Colts defense.

I said that I hoped we would not use our true gameplan against the Colts. I was fine with possibly sacrificing a win for an advantage in the playoffs.

I wish.

Maybe the perceived "lack of effort" can be attributed to the players' knowledge of a purposely limited gameplan?

The division was still up for grabs when they played. If they held back they deserve to lose this weekend. You don't roll over because you are hiding something just because it "looks" like you may play Indy a month later in the post season.

So rather than trying to win for home field advantage, the Chiefs chose to try and surprise the Colts in Indy during the playoffs?

Does anyone else recognize how absurd that sounds?


Here's what really happened. The Colts came in with a good defensive game plan that our coaches and players didn't adjust to very well. Period.

Who said that?

They held back just like the defense held back in the weeks before playing Denver.

Almost as absurd as believing the Broncos might lose to the Texans or Raiders...

Well hell, who believed in august that KC could make the playoffs at all? Reid should have saved all his plays for 2014.

You don't have to be an expert to look at the probability of us winning out and Denver losing out to 2 subpar teams. We were in and at that point we weren't playing for this season, we're playing for the tourney.

Yes. Terrible rationalization... it might be quite shocking that your team might not show up for a game, but it does actually happen from time to time, and being a fan with no control over the game, there's no shame in admitting that.

Or, Andy Reid doesn't have half a brain and instead of making a few moves in the two game chess match, he deferred.

I can't wait to watch Poe collapse the pocket on Saturday.

Not a good analogy

You also don't need to be an expert to realize that winning in the NFL is rarely about surprise plays and almost always about execution.

This entire topic is frustratingly stupid.

Look, before the game most simulations and analysis showed a greater than 70% that the Chiefs would play the Colts in the first round.

It would actually be more absurd to ignore those kinds of odds, in my opinion.

This isn't about trick plays.

This is about exploitation of weakness and forming a gameplan to do so.

They planned on having Smith take 5 sacks, throw no TDs and a pick. It's a great way to keep him safe and improve his fear of going downfield.

ROFL Good point.

They highlighted that point exactly on NFL prime time.

The first TD by Indy. We have everything covered in man to man. Demps is suppose to stay on the running back Brown. He sees Brown blocking and decides to rush Luck. He rushes to the right, Brown slips out a yard or two and Luck dumps him the ball. Demps is 10 yards away from the ball.

Demps does his job we are off the field. Instead they have a TD.

It sure seemed like it. But I don't think so. I think the players, just like all the no show fans that day, knew it would be meaningless.

They played as vanilla as a preseason game

Whitlock is gone so they went to another one of those tuperware like sex parties. I am sure KK is on the case though

It sure would piss me off if we did hold back. AT the kickoff of that game we still had a shot at winning the division. Hell, the Broncos didn't take control of their game until almost the 4th qtr. The Chiefs played dominant on both sides of the ball for the first 5-6 minutes then just laid a damn egg.

I think a couple of injuries, a poor crowd mostly due to the shitty weather and just basically an all round crap performance in which we really didn't even appear to be trying at any stage of the game. So the fact we lost whilst playing shit is a lot more comforting than if we had lost playing well. I reckon Andy started to hold back a few plays in the 2nd half.

It was a very strange game, we put them 3 and out on the their first drive and then have an epic Charles spearheaded drive and TD with our first possession. Then we just went to sleep...very strange. Almost as if by the ease of the first score, we thought it was going to be a walkover and let our guard down.

In a dome with everyone back and a lot of our starters rested, it might just be a different story, not a blow story but certainly a game worth watching.

I don't know if Reid was holding back but it sure seemed like the players were half-assing it.

Players definitely seemed to half ass it. Hopefully Sutton will well utilize the 40 minutes of Colts offensive game tape (or, offensive Chief's D game tape) they got.

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Obviously.

No. We came out and played a stinker.

The Colts took away Charles in the passing game and no one else stepped up. No pressure on Luck and we got picked apart.

Either we held back or the coaches called the shittiest game of the season. Charles had over 100 yards on what.. 12 carries?

Yeah, the Colts receivers were wide the **** open too.

We played a lot of zone that game.

If you go back and watch that game it certainly looks like the Chiefs players played like Pro Bowlers. By that I mean that they thought they were playing in the Pro Bowl.

On offense we came out and did whatever we wanted in scoring so quickly. It seems like after that a combination of "we can score on these guys at will" and "how much does this game really mean" led to the offense just mailing it in the rest of the game.

I know we gave up some plays on defense, but again, there were a lot of mistakes, missed tackles, and receivers running open. Yet we still just gave up 23 points which isn't horrible considering how bad our offense was playing.

To say we weren't trying to win is foolish, but at the same time to say we gave the entire effort (both coaches and players) for all 60 minutes in the process of losing is also pretty shortsighted.

i absolutely believe so. in fact, it's the only thing giving me hope the chiefs will win the game.

they've been on a two week mind**** for the colts. first they came into that game having slaughtered a couple teams, then came out and didn't even play their whole deck ---and then one week later decide to rest the starters and still played a great game.

now indy is like wtf man? who are the chiefs....

andy reid is a psychological genius

No. Absolutely not.


If you want to talk about players efforts in the game, I think they probably knew the last two didn't matter, but that in itself brings up some bad stuff.

They got their ass beat. It happens.

It also doesn't have much bearing on them playing again this week.