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Good for them

Smell my finger.

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This can leave no doubt that NFL sidelines and extra points are fixed.

Just goes to show how stupid the nfl concussion protocol is.

Personally I would tell the doctor to **** off unless I couldn't stand.

Genital warts

Agreed 10000% Garcia. .....

How does it show that?

How is the league to blame if the player is the one who refused to follow protocol?

I can't judge if the protocol is good or bad, but from the article it seems players were at fault.
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My guess is the reference to one of the players who just stayed on the sideline but did not reenter the game.

With it being a playoff game and all I can see a guy telling them to **** off I am not going to go sit in the locker room.

I assume the rule is there to prevent players from grabbing a helmet and going back out.

Some former nfl players were talking about it this morning saying that it's only in place to protect the nfl from lawsuits. They said the players associated really is beginning to hate the protocol because you start getting labeled as a problem once you get one concussion.

Seemed like he was saying that something in the story is proof that the NFL protocol itself is stupid. I don't really know if it is or isn't, but I don't know what part of that story would lead to that opinion.

Maybe the players association will propose the players waive all rights to sue later for head injuries in exchange for the NFL letting the player decide whether or not he is injured.

Think that will happen?

I don't know but one of the sports radio guy on nfl radio said that it was even more noticeable in the playoffs because cameras are everywhere. He thought we might see some big names get taken out of games this weekend.

I can understand the players' frustration. As a fan, I get frustrated when someone can't play. But we're talking about a guy's BRAIN. Maybe there should be a bit more precaution taken as compared to some other injuries?

That's a pretty worthless statement. We might...or we might not.
He's predicting who might get a head injury?

Are you suggesting that a player who fails the protocol test should be forced to not play even if they want to continue?

They also said that defensive players are starting to talk in code about it being worth getting a fine to knock opposing players out of games because it's easier with this protocol.

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It's not the employee's call. Corporate headquarters says he isn't allowed to work.

How would the player be able to make a proper decision anyway? He has a brain injury.

All they have to do is drop the lawsuits.

One moment the players say 'it's a violent game, we know the risks ... let us play!' The next they are joining a lawsuit to sue the NFL for some kind of head trauma they say they incurred while playing in the NFL.


make up your minds

He mentioned some of the colts players talking about the "stingers" they got Charles with. I'm guessing stingers is now code for knocking guys out of games.

It should be the employee's call.

The colts definitely started trying to take shots in the 2nd half against us.

I'm still of the belief that in the near future rookies entering the NFL are going to be forced to either sign a waiver protecting the league from lawsuits relating to all future harm that may befall them in the league, or don't play in the league.

"Forced to not play" is an interesting way of putting it.
I can't say whether or not the protocol itself is proper or effective--I'm not a doctor. I'm assuming they know something.

But if a guy hurts his knee and the sideline doctor says he thinks there may be damage and there's risk of greater injury--do you let the guy back in the game even if he says he'll play through the pain? Of course not.

The Eagles radio man on Sirius said that officials have been told to protect the big name qbs at ALL cost in the playoffs.

This is not good news for Jamaal.

Agreed.

I'm sure in the next CBA the player's union will propose the players wiave all rights to sue in return for letting the player decide if he goes back in.

Yes, you do. He's a grown man. Let him make his own decisions.

You maybe should see a doctor. You are exhibiting behavior indicative of repeated and severe head trauma.

My question is who are the big name qbs. ....does that include guys like Foles....Smith?

As should you. My wife can recommend a great OB/GYN if you want.

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No, she really does have a great OB/GYN. He's a bit nuts, but a great doctor.

Bullshit.

Well, if you're the employer paying a guy $1M a year (which you still have to pay if the guy gets injured), I'd say you get veto power as to whether a hurt player re-enters the game. Geez, you're honestly saying that a player and not the doctor or team/employer gets to decide on the seriousness of an injury?

That is so ridiculous I'd have to say you're at trolling level here.

Whoa, whoa...

So the concussion protocol says that the concussed player must leave the sideline and stay put in the locker room for the remainder of the game?

I've been told that Jamaal's injury was suspicious (fake) because he did not return to the sideline to be with his teammates.

He's bored.

Yes. If the player is advised not to return and he does anyway, he forfeits pay if he can't play later due to the injury.

They also want and need their one million dollar investment working not sitting on the sideline. What keeps ownership from releasing this investment if they feel he gets hurt to easy?

"Donger, as your employer, I order you to leave the building."

"No, sir. I refuse. As an employee, it should be my choice."

"Security, remove Mr. Donger from the building."

Your and idiot.

Yeah...because Joe Montana returned to the bench once 20 years ago.
rabblerouser is a moron.

Nothing.

I disagree with you on a lot of stuff, but I don't recall ever seeing you in this mode--channeling some of the most ridiculous and least intelligent posters on CP. Hope you feel better soon.

and take the oil he has stashed in his desk.

Or delirious from some type of illness.

I realize that you are prone to believing that people can't make decisions for themselves, yes. Nice to see it ooze into sports, too.

Like if they decide his skull is too mushy for football? Well, if they release him after a concussion or other injury, they are going to be paying his full salary for the year. If you're even on the roster after a certain date, you're entitled to your full-year salary.

Oh, I support their ability to choose to play sports. I don't think anyone should really stop them from going down to the park to join a pickup game or do whatever else they want. But I don't give him the right to decide to go back into a football game for which he is being paid to do what the team tells him to do. If the team wants to sit him and not risk further injury to their player--I don't even see how you can argue with that.

What do you think of boxing referees who stop the fight when the guy is having is head beaten in and his eyes are rolling around? Ask the fighter if he wants to continue?

Ooze is a good word. It's what the player's blood is doing inside his damaged brain, which might just compromise his ability to decide.

Thanks. I used it intentionally.

I can guarantee you that all of these old school head coaches would let them go back it.

I already gave you my argument.

Yes.

The NFL and the players association know a lot of the right things to do, yet don't do it, and it's killing the game. I want to see the best players on the field all the time, and it takes the fun out of the game when you have to repeatedly account for injuries.

You didn't know the NFL let's certain info get leaked through their medias to prepare their viewers?

So...the NFL has planned that some "big names" will be injured and removed from games this weekend and they leaked that to prepare viewers?

O-K...because leaking the info prior to it happening would be a good way to cover up that they have rigged the games by planning fake injuries....:tinfoil:

I'd like to see Manning get his "bell rung" this weekend.

LMAO

"we're going to need a bigger boat"

Bill Simmons brought up a good point in his column this week. Last weeks' Chiefs game might be the day we draw the line between old football and new football. Now it's going to be hanging over every playoff game.

Does this even make sense in your head?
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Why is shit like this coming out AFTER we lost three players during a playoff game due to...

concussions?

Wow this has turned into a real shit fit. I like the dig at Cosmo and not believing in letting people make decisions for themselves. From what little time I've ventured to D.C. That is his political view. However he's definitely got the better argument. Maybe the player should be checked by a few doctors I'm going to say 3. Just to bury this rigged talk. A team dr. An nfl dr, and a local dr. If there's any disagreement on the diagnoses the player can return. But only if two dr's rule in his favor. And he's signed a waiver.

Maybe you should read the entire thread before posting and if not at least post #61

Concussions created by big trial lawyers and the players union. Players can call in sick when they are playing hookey and trial lawyers get rich. You do the math:D

Well, that is ridiculous, but we're obviously not talking about someone making personal choices for himself. We're talking about an employer who is paying an employee and has a right to protect its interests both in terms of its investment in the player in keeping him healthy for the good of the team as well as liability issues.

What I find funny is that we are obviously used to things like knee injuries in football. If the team sits a player after he hurts his knee, no one raises a stink about it being the player's decision when to return.

I'm ****ing sick of this. We are all standing in the way of this problem being handled better. The problem won't be solved, but it can be made better.

"Heads up" is a great direction. Teach kids how to tackle properly, teach them to use their equipment properly, and recognize good coaches who teach good habits. Even THAT is being questioned for its motives. Why? Because people want something to complain about.
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...former-players

The NFL needs to keep backing "Heads up." They need to start enforcing helmet and mouthpiece rules. And they need to keep fining players who lead with their head. Simple solutions. But right now, it's really us fans, our crazy legal system, and the player's union that are getting in the way.

I like heads up.

So, were the big names knocked out yet? If not, I imagine there's got to be some nervous Broncos and Chargers out there.

Shark Lavey signed a waiver and played his ass off

I read. And what you're saying still makes no sense. But then again, you're one of the NFL conspiracy nuts so it makes sense.
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LMAO
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I see you didn't read post #61 either

Broncos vs Patriots
49ers vs Seahawks

It is disgusting the way the league rigged things so that the best 4 teams are the only 4 still remaining.

Two teams with great QBs and two teams with great defenses--the only way this happens is if it is rigged.

That would depend on what you're basing best on because both of those great defenses gave up 27 and 34 points and lost to Luck and the Colts and one of those great qb's was beaten head to head by Luck and the Colts and all of that happened in a five week period.

People don't really believe that these games are rigged, right?

I'll say this one more time,I do not believe entire games are rigged,however,I do believe point shaving and the like has gone on in certain games be it by a ref,player or even a coach to help tilt the lines and/or over unders in the favor of Vegas or to favor future match-ups which ultimately result in more advertising revenue and bigger profits for all involved.

Okay.