Senior Bowl Thread
 

Weigh ins are in.

QBs largely suck, size-wise. Logan Thomas looks like a Greek god, though.

Tajh Boyd, 6'0", 222, 9 3/8" hand
Derek Carr, 6'2", 215, 9 1/8" hand
Aaron Murray, 6'0", 201, 9 1/8" hand
Logan Thomas, 6'5", 250 lbs, 10 3/4" hand

There were a few other guys as well, but they were all short tiny guys like Boyd, Carr, and Murray.

Sheesh. No physicality in the QBs this year.

RBs (ranked by NFLDS's board -- excluding 7th/UDFAs):

Charles Sims, WVU (3rd): 5'11", 214, 8 1/4" hands
James White, Wisconsin (5th): 5'9", 206 lbs, 8 3/8" hands
Antonio Andrews, W. Kentucky (5th/6th): 5'10", 225, 9 1/4 hands
Jerick McKinnon, Georgia Southern (5th/6th): 5'9", 209, 8 3/8" hands

Love watching the practices, don't care too much about the game itself.

Some WRs that have drawn attention here:

Jared Abbrederis, Wisconsin: 6'0", 189, 9 5/8"
Robert Herron, Wyoming: 5'8", 193, 9 5/8"
Jordan Matthews, Vanderbilt: 6'2", 209 lbs, 10 1/2"
Jalen Saunders, Oklahoma: 5'8", 164 lbs!!!, 8 3/4"

Wow, Saunder is super short.

Tight ends:

C.J. Fiedorowicz, Iowa: 6'5", 262, 10 5/8"
Marcel Jensen, Fresno: 6'5", 264, 10 1/8"
Arthur Lynch, Georgia: 6'4", 258, 10 1/8"
Jacob Pederson, Wisconsin: 6'3", 242, 9 1/4"

Aaron Colvin, CB from OU, might be an interesting guy there. Hearing he's having a good week.

Utah's Keith McGill, CB, is a guy to keep an eye on during the Senior Bowl. He was a first team Juco All-American who, because of injuries, only really saw playing time this past season. Played at safety at the Juco level, and played five games there in 2011 before injury and was moved to CB this past season.

He was a real ballhawk in junior college with 11 interceptions in two years. Name to the Pac12 Honorable Mention team this past season.

He purportedly runs a 4.35 40 at 6'3", 205 lbs.

He weighed/measured in at the Senior Bowl at 6'3" even and 214 lbs. chisled. 33" arms (2nd longest), 10 1/4" hands (largest) and a 80 7/8" wingspan (widest of all DB's at the Senior Bowl).

I think he's a better free safety prospect than CB and you let him get up into the 215/220 range. However, if he shows up at 205 and runs that sub-4.4, eh...

From Monday's practice:

Chiefs talked to Baptiste today

Missouri's Michael Sam measured in at 6-2/260, which isn't surprising.

What is a bit surprising is that he measured an 80" wingspan. So he has the wingspan of an average 6-8 man.

He could end up being a pretty intriguing 3-4 OLB prospect in the middle rounds (3-5) if he tests well in coverage/space and runs pretty well.

With his high motor he'd be an interesting fit. As would Dee Ford.

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 14m
In addition to the 6-3 Jean-Baptiste, the #Chiefs also interviewed 6-3 Utah corner Keith McGill (according to McGill). Hmm.

Absolutely no doubt the Chiefs are interested in both those guys.

Dorsey loves long corners. And Reid loves talent out of Utah.

Any idea where those guys would be available, round wise?

My best guess at this point would just be that: a guess. Because anything can happen over the next four-and-a-half months.

I'll say this: all things being equal, the NFL is trending towards length in its DBs right now, corners particularly.

They're both projected to be mid-rounders, but if they test out well at the Combine, it's not unheardof for a team to pick them up as soon as the 3rd.

Damn, I forgot the draft isn't until May.

Thats just stupid.

It used to be on my birthday.

Nothing says happy birthday like a good draft pick.

****, I can one up you. Back in the day the Super Bowl was on my birthday

Draft day is better than the Super Bowl to me.

Fair enough

Of the two big corners in this draft, Keith McGill is easily the better player. He is more fluid and natural at playing the position than Baptiste is.

IIRC, Baptiste has only played CB for a year

Yeah, but that being said, I don't think I would want either of them from looking at their tape. Slow footed and both tend to give up the deep play because they like playing forward. Enough quickness to play safety but I wouldn't trust them to cover and shut someone down 1 on 1. Both are projects which is why they will go in the mid rounds.

Sounds like Cooper

Same with McGill.

As I posted, he played safety in juco and his first five games at Utah. Because of his speed and feet, they moved him to cornerback for the 2013 season.

I don't know anything about either so I'm not gonna comment anymore, but they're both intriguing size size

If we go TE in the first, Aaron Donald is drawing alot of buzz in the 3rd

/everyChiefsfan

Matthews has some huge hands.

Keep an eye out for Jimmie Ward, FS out of NIU. He has decent speed for the position and moves like a corner. Possible 3rd round pick. Here he is facing the best competition NIU has been up against.
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Bringing the boom.
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Jimmie Ward looks pretty dam good, he can make a tackle and takes good angels to the ball.

hard hitter too..... shit we needed that this year Kendick Lewis has to go

Like to see Jimmie in Red this year

LMAOLMAO Exactly what I was thinking.

Can't take bad angels that's for sure

Not sure if people want the updates from Walterfootball.com or not....but here you go.

2014 Senior Bowl: Weigh-In Analysis

North Team

The North team had three quarterbacks who basically hit their expected numbers. Clemson's Tajh Boyd (6-0, 222), Miami's Stephen Morris (6-1, 208) and Virginia Tech's Logan Thomas (6-5, 250) are all in the range they were expected to be. Thomas (10 3/4) has some huge hands while Boyd's muscular bulk suggests he has been a dedicated patron of the weight room. Thomas is a real physical specimen. If he performs well this week, his stock could really rise because he has the size and athletic ability that teams yearn for in a starting quarterback.

Notre Dame offensive tackle Zack Martin (6-4, 305) was exactly as he was listed by the Fighting Irish. It was good that Martin wasn't any smaller than expected, however his arm length (32 1/4) is short for tackle and that could cause a lot of teams to project moving Martin inside to guard. If he does slide inside, he would fit best in a zone blocking system.

Minnesota defensive tackle Ra'Shede Hageman (6-6, 318) is put together pretty well with some room to grow in his chest. Scouts that were impressed with Hageman when he walked on stage.

Stanford outside linebacker Trent Murphy (6-5, 252) was an inch shorter and about 10 pounds lighter than listed. Murphy is going to need to add weight if he is drafted by a 4-3 team to play defensive end.

West Virginia defensive end Will Clarke (6-6, 271) has the body to stay as a 4-3 end but also has a frame that he could expand. If he is drafted by a 3-4 team, he could get bigger to play defensive end.

Pitt defensive tackle Aaron Donald (6-0, 288) has a some serious muscle in his chest and arms. He has a huge upper body, and scouts were talking about how he looked stout. Unfortunately, Donald is probably maxed out in terms of weight. He still is very strong for his size and looks like he spends a lot of time in the weight room.

Tennessee defensive tackle Daniel McCullers is the largest man in Mobile. He has biggest measurments in height (6-6), weight (348), wingspan (85 1/2) and arm length (35 5/8) with the second-largest hands (10 5/8). 3-4 teams looking for a nose tackle are going to be watching McCullers closely.

Wisconsin wide receiver Jared Abbrederis (6-0, 189) measured in shorter and lighter than expected. Abbrederis looks like a slot receiver type.

Oregon's Josh Huff is also a slot receiver candidate. Huff (5-11, 201) is very strong and cut up.

If he can run with receivers you can expect some comparisons to the Seahawks cornerbacks with Stanley Jean-Baptiste out of Nebraska. Jean-Baptiste (6-2, 215) is big and has good length. If receivers consistently get separation in man coverage, he'll be projected to safety.

Baylor guard Cyril Richardson (6-4, 343) is big and his weight isn't all bad, but he would be better off turning some flab into muscle.

Missouri outside linebacker Michael Sam (6-0, 260) is very strong for his size. He is shorter than preferred, but at least he has the strength to battle offensive linemen as an edge rusher.

South Team:

Georgia Tech's Jeremiah Attaochu and BYU's Kyle Van Noy both are put together well. Attaochu (6-3, 252) is a little bigger than Van Noy (6-3, 244), but Van Noy has room to grow. Each player looks like they would be fits as 3-4 outside linebackers. They also looked athletic enough during their collegiate careers to potentially have the flexibility to play some on the inside, especially Van Noy. Each one could thrive in the pass rushing one-on-ones this week.

Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr (6-2, 215) is built pretty solid, but he isn't big. Carr is an inch shorter and a few pounds lighter than his listed numbers. Carr's hand size (9 1/8 inches) is smaller than ideal.

Last week at the East-West Shrine, we wrote that Eastern Illinois quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo was smaller than his listed numbers, and that was proven to be a reality. Garoppolo (6-2, 219) is shorter than the 6-foot-3 he was billed to be and also had the smallest hands (9 inches) of any quarterback at the Senior Bowl. Garoppolo wouldn't be considered small, but doesn't have a size attribute really working for him.

Oklahoma cornerback Aaron Colvin (5-11, 186) needs to hit the weight room. He has a slight build that is going to need more strength or big NFL receivers will push him around. Colvin also doesn't have length, as he has some short arms (31 inches).

Mississippi State guard Gabe Jackson is built powerfully and is not flabby. Jackson (6-3, 339) looks like a perfect fit in a power man blocking scheme as road-grading right guard. If he does well in pass rushing one-on-ones, his stock could rise.

Virginia offensive tackle Morgan Moses (6-6, 325) and North Dakota State tackle Billy Turner (6-5, 316) both need to spend time in an NFL strength and conditioning program. They look flabby without a lot of power in their chest and arms. Turner could end up being viewed as a guard depending on how he performs this week.

Florida wideout Solomon Patton (5-8, 179) and Oklahoma wide receiver Jalen Saunders (5-8, 164) both look too small to be NFL receivers. Some prospects like Tavon Austin and DeSean Jackson have beaten the trend, but those players are few and far between.

BYU wideout Cody Hoffman (6-3, 219) is a specimen. He is big, strong and cut up. If Hoffman runs well in practice with the speed to separate, the Senior Bowl could be huge for him.

Arizona State defensive tackle Will Sutton (6-0, 315) had scouts sitting around WalterFootball.com chuckling about his flabby midsection. Sutton gained weight for his senior year, and it was bad weight. He probably would be better off dropping 15 pounds and just living and dying by his speed and explosion.

Virginia defensive end Brent Urban (6-6, 298) is put together well. He has some height, weight and length to him. Urban looks like an ideal five technique defensive end in a 3-4 defense.

2014 Senior Bowl Practice Report -

The North team took the field of Ladd-Peebles Stadium for their first practice of the Senior Bowl. The Atlanta Falcons coaching staff ran the practice and will coach the North squad all week. The Falcons' staff had the players practicing in shells (shorts, shoulder pads and helmets). Atlanta's staff kept the players going at a good pace and at a reasonably physical level. They started the session with some installation and work in individual position groups. After that, the team did a few one-on-one sessions, a few periods of special teams work and a team scrimmage. Here is a rundown of the noteworthy players.

On the offensive side of the ball, the most impressive player was Notre Dame left tackle Zack Martin (6-4, 305). He had an excellent practice. Martin started out by beating Stanford's Trent Murphy on back-to-back one-on-one reps. Murphy tried a speed rush to the outside and was pushed too far around by Martin. A swim move by Murphy went nowhere on the rematch. Martin also won two reps against Louisville speed rusher Marcus Smith. On one rep, Martin pushed Smith around to the outside, and on the other, Martin stood up a bull rush. Smith (14.5 sacks) and Murphy (15 sacks) were college footballs two leading sackers in 2013, so Martin's domination of them was very impressive.

Murphy didn't have a great start to his week. He also struggled against Zack Martin when they when went against each other during the season. During the team scrimmage, Murphy did have a nice play where he pushed Stanford fullback/tight end Ryan Hewitt into the backfield before shedding the block and stuffing a wide receiver for a loss of a few yards on a reverse. However, Murphy lost another pass-rushing opportunity going against Martin. Murphy needs to perform better in the one-on-ones on Tuesday and Wednesday.

On the defensive line, the most impressive player was Pittsburgh's Aaron Donald. The fast and strong Donald destroyed Baylor's Cyril Richardson in four one-on-one reps. The first rep saw Donald win with speed to the outside. After another win on a speed rush, Donald blasted Richardson (6-4, 343) flat on his backside to get free to the quarterback. To complete the domination, Donald won with speed again. Donald (6-0, 288) made a serious statement to open the week as he was phenomenal against one of the top guards in the 2014 draft class.

Another defensive tackle who impressed was Minnesota's Ra'Shede Hageman. He owned Miami guard Brandon Linder. Hageman beat Linder with bull and speed rushes on four reps. On the fifth try, Linder finally got a draw as he allowed some penetration, but kept Hageman from getting to the quarterback marker in time. Hageman (6-6, 318) started his week well, and he should solidify a first-round grade in Mobile.

Missouri speed-rushing outside linebacker Michael Sam had some nice battles against Miami right tackle Seantrel Henderson. To get things started, Henderson stood up a bull rush from Sam (6-1, 260). Sam came back with a win via an impressive rip move to establish leverage on Henderson with a rush to the inside. Sam also had a win with a speed rush to beat Clemson tackle Brandon Thomas. Henderson and Sam both need to impress in Mobile this week.

Clemson quarterback Tajh Boyd had a mixed outing in his first practice. He displayed a strong arm with the ability to throw some fastballs past defenders to his receivers. In the one-on-ones, Boyd lofted in a well-placed ball to Oregon's Josh Huff. They connected again when Boyd dropped in a long gain to Huff, who beat Wisconsin safety Dezmon Southward on an out-and-up. Boyd later threw a frozen rope to UCLA's Shaq Evans on the run off a slant, but Evans dropped the pass. During the 11-on-11 scrimmage, Boyd rolled out and helped get his receiver open with a pump fake on an out and up, but Boyd overthrew the wide out. A faster receiver like college teammate Sammy Watkins would have run it down for a long gain - probably a touchdown. A broken play by the offense saw North Carolina's Kareem Martin smack the ball out of Boyd's hands. Boyd came back to fire a bullet past the hand of Michigan State's Isaiah Lewis to hit Wisconsin wide receiver Jared Abbrederis on a quick out. If Boyd is more consistent on Tuesday and Wednesday, his stock could rise.

2014 Senior Bowl Practice Report

By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

The North team took the field of Ladd-Peebles Stadium for their first practice of the Senior Bowl. The Atlanta Falcons coaching staff ran the practice and will coach the North squad all week. The Falcons' staff had the players practicing in shells (shorts, shoulder pads and helmets). Atlanta's staff kept the players going at a good pace and at a reasonably physical level. They started the session with some installation and work in individual position groups. After that, the team did a few one-on-one sessions, a few periods of special teams work and a team scrimmage. Here is a rundown of the noteworthy players.

On the offensive side of the ball, the most impressive player was Notre Dame left tackle Zack Martin (6-4, 305). He had an excellent practice. Martin started out by beating Stanford's Trent Murphy on back-to-back one-on-one reps. Murphy tried a speed rush to the outside and was pushed too far around by Martin. A swim move by Murphy went nowhere on the rematch. Martin also won two reps against Louisville speed rusher Marcus Smith. On one rep, Martin pushed Smith around to the outside, and on the other, Martin stood up a bull rush. Smith (14.5 sacks) and Murphy (15 sacks) were college footballs two leading sackers in 2013, so Martin's domination of them was very impressive.

Murphy didn't have a great start to his week. He also struggled against Zack Martin when they when went against each other during the season. During the team scrimmage, Murphy did have a nice play where he pushed Stanford fullback/tight end Ryan Hewitt into the backfield before shedding the block and stuffing a wide receiver for a loss of a few yards on a reverse. However, Murphy lost another pass-rushing opportunity going against Martin. Murphy needs to perform better in the one-on-ones on Tuesday and Wednesday.

On the defensive line, the most impressive player was Pittsburgh's Aaron Donald. The fast and strong Donald destroyed Baylor's Cyril Richardson in four one-on-one reps. The first rep saw Donald win with speed to the outside. After another win on a speed rush, Donald blasted Richardson (6-4, 343) flat on his backside to get free to the quarterback. To complete the domination, Donald won with speed again. Donald (6-0, 288) made a serious statement to open the week as he was phenomenal against one of the top guards in the 2014 draft class.

Another defensive tackle who impressed was Minnesota's Ra'Shede Hageman. He owned Miami guard Brandon Linder. Hageman beat Linder with bull and speed rushes on four reps. On the fifth try, Linder finally got a draw as he allowed some penetration, but kept Hageman from getting to the quarterback marker in time. Hageman (6-6, 318) started his week well, and he should solidify a first-round grade in Mobile.

Missouri speed-rushing outside linebacker Michael Sam had some nice battles against Miami right tackle Seantrel Henderson. To get things started, Henderson stood up a bull rush from Sam (6-1, 260). Sam came back with a win via an impressive rip move to establish leverage on Henderson with a rush to the inside. Sam also had a win with a speed rush to beat Clemson tackle Brandon Thomas. Henderson and Sam both need to impress in Mobile this week.

Clemson quarterback Tajh Boyd had a mixed outing in his first practice. He displayed a strong arm with the ability to throw some fastballs past defenders to his receivers. In the one-on-ones, Boyd lofted in a well-placed ball to Oregon's Josh Huff. They connected again when Boyd dropped in a long gain to Huff, who beat Wisconsin safety Dezmon Southward on an out-and-up. Boyd later threw a frozen rope to UCLA's Shaq Evans on the run off a slant, but Evans dropped the pass. During the 11-on-11 scrimmage, Boyd rolled out and helped get his receiver open with a pump fake on an out and up, but Boyd overthrew the wide out. A faster receiver like college teammate Sammy Watkins would have run it down for a long gain - probably a touchdown. A broken play by the offense saw North Carolina's Kareem Martin smack the ball out of Boyd's hands. Boyd came back to fire a bullet past the hand of Michigan State's Isaiah Lewis to hit Wisconsin wide receiver Jared Abbrederis on a quick out. If Boyd is more consistent on Tuesday and Wednesday, his stock could rise.

Miami quarterback Stephen Morris had a mixed session. During the team scrimmage, he threw a ball up for grabs downfield into double coverage. Oregon wide receiver Josh Huff couldn't get back to the underthrown pass for a reception, and it fell incomplete. That kind of throw and decision caused Morris to throw a number of interceptions in college. Morris had a good completion going downfield on a deep ball for Abbrederis. Morris laid it up there, and Abbrederis made a leaping grab over Wyoming cornerback Marqueston Huff. Morris also connected with Abbrederis on a slant. Morris had another completion on a throw to UCLA wide out Shaq Evans, who beat Wisconsin safety Dez Southward. Morris had a decent debut, but he needs to play better on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Virginia Tech quarterback Logan Thomas was his typical self with some impressive plays and some other letdowns. During the team scrimmage, he basically took a sack since he held onto the ball too long when nothing was open. Thomas also fired a nice pass to Abbrederis, who beat Wyoming cornerback Marqueston Huff on a slant. Thomas threw a nice ball to Evans for a nice gain after he beat N.C. State cornerback Dontae Johnson. With his combination of size and athleticism, Thomas has evaluators watching him closely.

As if you couldn't tell already, Wisconsin wide receiver Jared Abbrederis had a superb practice to open the week. He was very impressive with his route-running and sudden breaks. Abbrederis constantly got separation from defensive backs and outfought them for balls. He also did a nice job fielding punts. Abbrederis looks like a sleeper pick who could be a steal on the second day.

During the team scrimmage, West Virginia running back Charles Sims had a nice gainer on a screen pass. Baylor's Cyril Richardson hit a block on the second level to spring him. Another running back who ripped off a carry for good yards was Toledo's David Fluellen. Tajh Boyd sold a read option well, allowing Fluellen to go behind the left side for a chunk. Wisconsin running back James White tried to get outside to break off a long run on a sweep, but former teammate Chris Borland was able to get to the edge and keep White breaking into the open field. White did have an impressive catch during the one-on-ones going against Iowa linebacker Christian Kirksey, who had nice coverage on the play.

Colorado State center Weston Richburg had a solid opening to the week. He had nice feet and agility in the pass-rushing one-on-ones.

During the individual portion of practice, Michigan State safety Isaiah Lewis displayed some fluid hips and did nice job of flipping and running. He did have a dropped interception on one pass, but looked pretty good overall.

Utah State center Tyler Larsen really struggled. He was getting beaten by Penn State defensive tackle DaQuan Jones among others. Larsen needs to anchor better against bull rushes in particular.

Watching it now.


Aaron Donald, get yourself some KC gear early.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout 1h

Chiefs scouts paying a lot of attention to wide receivers here. No surprise, but worth noting they were praising bigger bodied guys.

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 19h

Nebraska CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste said today that he met with the #Chiefs. Huge corner at 6-3, 220.

North Dakota State OT Billy Turner said the #Chiefs talked to him yesterday about moving from tackle to guard.

In addition to the 6-3 Jean-Baptiste, the #Chiefs also interviewed 6-3 Utah corner Keith McGill (according to McGill). Hmm.

#Chiefs have met with a couple of interesting prospects in Lindenwood CB Pierre Desir and West Virginia RB Charles Sims.

The kid has too short of arms to play DE in the 3-4 and is maxed out on size, but he'll be an excellent 4-3 DT though.

Nothing says happy birthday when you have the Super Bowl on the same day and your team isn't participating...

I want him because he'd be an effective pass rusher at the 3 technique.

Given how often we're in our sub package due to the way teams use personnel groupings and alignments in today's NFL, it's more important to have a viable pass rusher for that position. He looks like a significant upgrade and is big enough to allow you to flip him to the 1 to create advantages with Poe while still keeping a quality player on the field for gap integrity and stopping the run.

A passrusher yes, but in our current scheme he'd be a situational player.

What's your point?

I wouldn't spend too high of a pick on someone who's situational player in our present scheme. The guy has to be an every down player to justify it, if we switch and are confident that Hali and Houston can maintain the edge rush in the 4-3 then I'm all for it. It's a John Randle type of situation.

You're likely not going to find an every down starter at 23....at least for their 1st year. Maybe a WR....but he'd have to immediately buy into the offense.

You do realize that because of how often teams spread out the field and use personnel groupings that are pass friendly, sub packages are going to be more important than your base 3-4?


Guys who used to be 3rd down only players are quickly becoming 2 down players, whereas your 2 down, run-stuffing players are getting much more reduced roles (see Mike DeVito, Tyson Jackson, Akeem Jordan, Jovan Belcher).

That's why I like Tuitt. He can play DE in our base 3-4....and you can kick him inside in sub packages.

As for the arm length, he's got the exact same at 31 1/4 as Sharrif Floyd.

Yes, and if you need him to be fit into a sub package then the idea is flawed especially, if they can exploit a size difference during a play flip/change in an audible. You are looking at boys like Tuitt who's an all-round terror for a 3-4 DL. I'd love Donald if we were in an 4-3 base though.

@nfldraftscout Early word on Aaron Colvin is a feared ACL tear.

****, he would have been a good later round pick.

You can still draft him on the 3rd day and basically redshirt him his rookie year.

Yeah, I wouldn't be upset with that.

I'd also like us to take Donald if he's there in the 3rd. He's gonna be a Geno Atkins type player.

Tuitt does not have the same kind of pass rush ability or explosion off of the snap.

Please stop talking like you know what you're talking about.

Watch their game tapes, you may just see the same thing as everyone else sees.

Really dipshit? I've seen EVERY game he's played at ND.

And FYI....I never compared Donald to Tuitt.

And I did, and Tuitt does not have close to the same pass rush/disruptive ability that Donald has. The only thing he does better is that he is more consistent at holding the point of attack and that's due to his length and overall size. That being said, Donald tends to disrupt a lot of run plays by simply ripping through his blocker(s) and getting into the backfield. He is the one guy that teams consistently double team along the Pitt line and he still changes plays with his disruptiveness. From what I've seen, Donald also has a better motor.

SJB will be a ****ing beast and I'm not just saying that because he's a husker. Hes Marcus Cooper with 2 more years of experience playing CB.

Penn has good feet movement, but he needs to use his hands quicker.

Also, trying to explain why a guy that weighs 30 pounds less can move better is an obvious duh. Basically, Tuitt needs to drop the extra weight he gained.

Or the fact that they don't play the same position......or are even in the same defensive front.

He's been kicked out to the DE position quite a few times in the Pitt defense. Just watch this tape on him vs FSU. Tuitt is nowhere in the same neighborhood of consistency with his disruption of plays.
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In contrast, here is Tuitt vs USC last year.
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Which is the better player?

So you cherry picked one game from each player? Quick...let me go find Donald's worst game and Tuitt's best game for you to compare.

Funny....you haven't mentioned dick about Donald until he lit it up at the Senior Bowl. I on the other hand have been talking about Tuitt for 2 ****ing years now.

Feel free to go **** yourself on the way out.

Last two years?

Donald - 16.5 sacks
Tuitt - 19.5 sacks

Don't get my wrong, I like Tuitt if he could return to his 2012 form. But I think that the Chiefs aren't in need of any more big and slow run stuffers who only get coverage sacks and that is the category that I would put Tuitt in. Really need a pass rusher who can provide tons of pressure up the middle in nickel packages and take advantage of their 1 on 1 match-ups. Guys like Aaron Donald and Dominique Easley fill that roll the best.

So now Tuitt just gets coverage sacks.......

Not really, I pulled up games of them facing their best competition from last season that was available on Youtube. Feel free to try and find bad tape on Donald, lol, I haven't seen one yet. He really has one hell of a motor to go along with his physical abilities.
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He gets washed out by double teams a few times against Miami but also beats them too.
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Virginia. Quality opponent there.

To put it more plainly, I don't think that Tuitt would be a difference maker as a pass rusher. As for Virginia being a quality opponent, that's why I posted the FSU tape instead. He absolutely dominated against potential NFL level talent. Again, all you have to do is watch his Florida State tape.

One person is calling the other names, while the other is ignoring this and continuing to have a legitimate debate. I think I know who the asshole in this pissing contest is.

A legitimate debate? LMAO

He's the one comparing a 280 lb DT against a 315 lb 3-4 DE.

He's shown 3 YouTube videos for a player that just showed up at the Senior Bowl. I've debated about Tuitt for 2 years.

Excuse me if I don't give two ****s what either of you douchebags have to say on the matter.

Just made the '14 visit/met with thread; waiting on it to be stickied but if y'all can throw names/pos/teams into it I'll start updating.

Donald actually isn't my favorite interior pass rusher that I've seen. It's Dominique Easley. However, Easley suffered a second ACL injury and who knows what that might do to his main weapon; his ability to explode off the snap. Will probably be available in the mid rounds due to his injury history and also his size concerns.
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Tuesday's 2014 Senior Bowl Practice Report: North

By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

The North team took the field of Ladd-Peebles Stadium for their second practice of the Senior Bowl. The Atlanta Falcons coaching staff had the players practicing in full pads. Atlanta's staff kept the North squad going at a good pace and at a reasonably physical level. The players started the session with some installation and work in individual position groups. After that the North did a few one-on-one sessions, a few periods of special teams work and a team scrimmage. Here is a rundown of the noteworthy players.

The temperatures were in the 50s and windy. The wind was effecting the passers, especially when throwing to the sideline or downfield. WalterFootball.com spoke with some offensive coaches and they all agreed that Logan Thomas' arm was better than Clemson's Tajh Boyd or Miami's Stephen Morris. The Virginia Tech product could get the ball to the sideline on the deep out throwing into the wind, while Boyd's and Morris's passes took more time to get there.

However, it was a typical showing from Thomas with great physical skill on display but inaccuracy and missed opportunities. In the seven-on-seven and the team scrimmage, Thomas had a number of passes off the mark to open receivers. He threw over the head of a receiver in double coverage on the team scrimmage, and in some ways, he was fortunate as the defensive backs were in good position to make a play on the ball. Thomas had a receiver running wide open down the sideline into the end zone for a potential 50-yard touchdown, but held onto the ball too long and didn't anticipate the receiver coming open quick enough. That led to a pass thrown too late, so a safety was able to come over the top and break up the ball at the goal line. Scouts and coaches really like Thomas' physical skill set, but his play continues to fall short of where it could be.

Clemson quarterback Tajh Boyd had a mixed day. He had some nice plays and also made some mistakes. Boyd fired a nice bullet to Wisconsin tight end Jacob Pederson in zone coverage during the team scrimmage. Boyd used his mobility to escape pressure on a few plays and threw a fastball to Wisconsin's Jared Abbrederis for a completion on a slant.

Boyd has room for improvement on his accuracy. He also seems to be out of sync with these receivers. Boyd leads them too often, and it appears he is expecting them to be faster than they are. That is somewhat understandable considering since Boyd is used to throwing to passes to Sammy Watkins, DeAndre Hopkins and some other young talents at Clemson. However, Boyd needs to improve his ball placement and accuracy going forward.

The same could be said for Miami's Stephen Morris. In the team scrimmage, he had a good completion that found Oregon wide out Josh Huff open in zone coverage for a gain in the middle of the field. Morris also had a well-thrown pass to Pedersen running down the middle seam, but the tight end dropped the ball.

Of the wide receivers on the North squad, Huff and Abbrederis are the most consistent. Both look like nice weapons as slot receivers in the NFL.

West Virginia running back Charles Sims has been solid through two days as well. He had a good gain on a screen pass in the team scrimmage as he set up his blocks and pulled away downfield. Sims has nice vision and is put together. He is a sleeper back who could turn into a nice contributor.

The defensive lineman who had the best practice was Minnesota defensive tackle Ra'Shede Hageman. He was an absolute force at beating offensive linemen with power and speed. Hageman beat Colorado State center Weston Richburg with a bull rush. A strong rip was employed to gain leverage on Michigan's Michael Schofield as Hageman surged his way into the marker. Hageman also rocked Zack Martin off balance with the initial surge and then used his speed to run by Martin to the quarterback marker. To finish off the one-on-ones, Hageman beat Cyril Richardson with speed and strength. Richburg earned a draw on one play, but overall, Hageman consistently made it into the backfield during the one-on-ones and team scrimmage. The Senior Bowl is letting Hageman demonstrate why he belongs in the first round next May.

Falcons offensive line coach had Zack Martin play guard on Tuesday. He excelled at left tackle for Notre Dame and was phenomenal there on Monday. However, moving him to the inside gave him problems with the size and power of the interior defensive linemen. Martin really struggled with Ra'Shede Hageman, but Hageman is a first-round talent. If Martin (6-4, 305) is moved inside to guard in the NFL, he is going to need to add more power to take on heavy defensive tackles. However, Martin may not have the frame to add much more.

Another defender who had a good day was Louisville outside linebacker Marcus Smith. He beat Martin with a speed rush around the edge in the one-on-ones. During the team scrimmage, Smith was able to charge off the edge and did a nice job of leaping to bat a pass down. He also had a tackle for a loss as he pushed Pedersen into the backfield before shedding him and stuffing Wisconsin running back James White behind the line.

Smith ate up the running backs and tight ends in the blitzing one-one-ones. He beat Pedersen with speed and then pushed him to the side. Smith also beat Marshall tight end Gator Hoskins off the edge, though Hoskins was the only one to win a rep against Smith. Iowa's C.J. Fiedorowicz also lost to Smith's speed rush. The nation's second-leading sacker in 2013, Smith didn't have big impact on the first day, but he was much more active on Tuesday.

Pittsburgh defensive tackle Aaron Donald was a superstar on Monday. On Tuesday, he had another solid showing, but he didn't dominate like he did in the first session. Donald used his speed to beat Miami's Brandon Linder in the one-on-ones. Donald had draw going against Richburg as he got some pressure in the pocket before being stopped. During the team scrimmage, Donald fired into the backfield to cause an incompletion on a three-step drop by Tajh Boyd. Donald was so disruptive off the snap that the play was going nowhere from the get-go. Through two days, Donald has done well for himself in Mobile.

Miami offensive linemen Brandon Kinder - guard - and Seantrel Henderson -tackle - had some struggles on Tuesday. North Carolina defensive end Kareem Martin beat Henderson with an impressive bull rush. He put the big tackle on roller skates as he pushed Henderson straight back into the backfield. Linder was beaten by Connecticut's Shamar Stephen on a bull rush. Mike Tice was working with Henderson on his hand placement. The Hurricanes tackle has excellent size and a good skill set, he but needs refinement. WalterFootball.com heard from coaches who really like Henderson's skill set.

Stanford outside linebacker Trent Murphy had a better day on Tuesday than his Monday practice. He beat Ohio State offensive tackle Jack Mewhort during the team scrimmage with a speed rush to get what would have been a sack of Logan Thomas. Murphy repeated that when he killed Mewhort with a speed rush to force Tajh Boyd out of the pocket on a rollout. Murphy also had some wins in the one-on-ones and took advantage of Mewhort. Following Monday's practice, this was a nice bounceback performance for Murphy.

An offensive lineman who showed improvement on Tuesday was Clemson's Brandon Thomas. The tackle had an impressive win against Kareem Martin when he rode him around the pocket before pushing Martin into the turf. Thomas rode West Virginia's Will Clarke around the pocket as well.

Washington State safety Deone Bucannon had perhaps the biggest hit of the Tuesday practice when he flew over to the sideline to rock James White about 20 yards downfield after the back broke off a nice run. Bucannon has the reputation of being a hard hitter, which he showed on that play.

While White got blasted on that carry, he had a very impressive session in blitz pickup. That's huge for White as his role in the NFL will probably have a lot of third-down and receiving-back responsibilities. He had a nice win going against Iowa linebacker Christian Kirksey. White finished the session by sliding and sustaining a block against Illinois linebacker Jonathan Brown. White's lone ugly rep came as college teammate Chris Borland beat him with a swim move. White was never the feature back at Wisconsin, and he's helping himself at the Senior Bowl.

Stanford tight end/fullback Ryan Hewitt had an interesting session. He was beaten by Missouri's Michael Sam on a speed rush around the edge, but Hewitt came back to get a nice win against Kirksey. Hewitt also lost a rep to Brown when Brown shed a block and tossed him to the side.

A few other highlights from the blitz-pickup one-on-ones included Kirksey running over Toledo's David Fluellen for a win and beating Fluellen on the rematch with a bull rush. Charles Sims had an impressive win against UCLA's Jordan Zumwalt before losing the next two reps against Zumwalt. Sims and Zumwalt had some good battles going.

Tuesday's 2014 Senior Bowl Practice Report: South

By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

The South team took the field of Ladd-Peebles Stadium for their second practice of the Senior Bowl. The Jacksonville Jaguars' coaching staff had the players practicing in full pads. They started the session with some install and work in individual position groups. After that, they did a lot of one-on-one sessions, a few periods of special teams work and a team scrimmage. Here is a run down of the noteworthy prospects.

Unfortunately there was a tragedy for the draft hopes of Oklahoma cornerback Aaron Colvin. On a one-on-one rep against Florida's Solomon Patton, the two got their feet tangled, and Colvin landed awkwardly on the ground. He was helped off the field and received attention from the training staff. It turned out that Colvin has a torn ACL, which will knock him out of pre-draft workouts and could impact when he can start practicing during his rookie season. Hopefully Colvin makes a quick recovery.

The Senior Bowl announced that Tennessee offensive tackle Ju'Wuan James (knee sprain), Fresno State tight end Marcel Jensen (abdominal sprain) and Alabama defensive end Ed Stinson (groin sprain) all pulled out of the Senior Bowl with their selective injuries. Colorado State tight end Crockett Gilmore will be added on Wednesday.

Fresno State quarterback Derek Carr has made a positive impression on a lot of observers this week. During the 11-on-11 scrimmage, Carr had a nice play where he rolled out to his right and threw a pass on the money downfield along the sideline. He had another completion in the team scrimmage, but on the play, he would have been sacked by BYU linebacker Kyle Van Noy. Van Noy came around Carr's blind side and had him dead in the backfield if there had been hitting of the quarterback.

Eastern Illinois quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo had some nice throws and has played well. He's a step behind Carr in terms of readiness, but WalterFootball.com knows some scouts and coaches that have been impressed with Garoppolo.

San Jose State quarterback David Fales had a mixed outing. In the team scrimmage, Fales had a nice play when he rolled out and hit Jordan Matthews open in zone coverage. Fales later fumbled ball, and it wasn't clear if anybody actually hit him or he just lost the ball as the pocket collapsed around him. Arkansas edge rusher Chris Smith may have slapped the ball out.

Tennessee defensive tackle Daniel McCullers had a good practice on Tuesday. He did very well in the one-on-ones. McCullers started out by beating Arkansas center Travis Swanson by bull rushing him straight back. He did the same thing to Florida State center Bryan Stork, North Dakota State lineman Billy Turner and Oklahoma center Gabe Ikard. McCullers doesn't have a lot of pass-rushing moves, but he is so massive he can have success with bull rushes even when blockers know that it's coming. McCullers needs to play with proper leverage and pad level, but when he gets his weight low, he is tough to stop. In the team scrimmage, McCullers pushed his way into the backfield to trip up running back Jerick McKinnon for a loss of a few yards. He also stuffed another run. McCullers would fit well as a 3-4 nose tackle.

Virginia defensive end/tackle Brent Urban had a good day. He beat Nevada's Joe Bitonio with a bull rush to win a a rep. He shed a block from Ikard for another win, but Urban lost going against Mississippi State's Gabe Jackson. Urban looks like he would fit best as a 3-4 defensive end.

Jackson was the most impressive offensive lineman on the South team. He had a nice win against Princeton's Caraun Reid and did good job of run blocking in the team scrimmage. The powerful Jackson looks ready to play in the NFL right now.

Auburn defensive end/outside linebacker Dee Ford was impressive again. He is so fast off the edge, he is tough for offensive tackles to handle. Ford burned Billy Turner with a speed rush around the edge. He followed that up flying by Vanerbilt's Wes Johnson, Virginia's Morgan Moses and Turner again.

Turner is raw and needs development, but he flashes the ability to get the job done. He did beat Ford on one rep and Turner also stuffed a rush from Arizona State's Will Sutton. Turner easily beat Alabama's Adrian Hubbard on one lackluster rush in which Hubbard looked like he was playing containment. Hubbard came back to get Turner with a speed rush. Arkansas' Chris Smith beat Turner badly with a speed rush and then a spin move. Turner looks like a day-three project.

Smith had a good practice on Tuesday. He used his speed to get a lot of pressure in the backfield. He showed the ability to drop his hips when he dipped underneath Florida guard/tackle Jon Halapio to win a rep. He used a blinding spin move to beat Turner. The only rep he looked bad in was when Morgan Moses got a hold of him and pushed him around the field. Smith has a nice assortment of moves, and 3-4 teams have to be thinking hard about him as an edge rusher.

Arizona State defensive tackle Will Sutton continues to be slowed down by the bad weight he gained. He had a bull rush go nowhere against Halapio. Sutton needs to go back to playing around 300 pounds and just live and die by his speed.

Cal defensive tackle DeAndre Coleman, Florida guard Jon Halapio, Georgia Tech outside linebacker Jeremiah Attaochu, Princeton defensive tackle Caraun Reid and Vanerbilt's Wesley Johnson all had some impressive wins and bad losses.

Western Kentucky running back Antonio Andrews had a solid session in the blitz pickup one-on-ones. He had a nice block to beat Vanderbilt safety Kenny Ladler. Andrews had a draw against LSU safety Craig Loston and mirrored Georgia Tech safety Jemea Thomas to push him away from the quarterback marker. In a mismatch, Andrews lost to Alabama linebacker Adrian Hubbard as he pushed Andrews straight back.

Auburn fullback Jay Prosch had a rough day. He really struggled in blitz pickup. Georgia Tech's Jeremiah Attaochu beat him twice with bull rushes. Florida State linebacker Christian Jones beat him with speed around him and Alabama's Adrian Hubbard used power to go through Prosch. LSU's Lamin Borrow also beat him with a bull rush. BYU's Kyle Van Noy abused Prosch with a blinding spin move, but to end the session Prosch got a degree of revenge when he initially stopped Van Noy when he tried to use the same move for a second time. On a second effort Van Noy got to the quarterback marker, but it took some time and an NFL quarterback could have gotten a pass off. Prosch is a powerful lead blocker in the ground game, but his pass protection needs work for the NFL.

LSU's Lamin Borrow flashed on Tuesday. He was physical and was flying around the field. He had some nice plays in run defense.

One running back who had an eventful day was Georgia Southern's Jerick McKinnon. He really struggled in blitz protection. Considering how Georgia Southern almost exclusively runs the ball, that shouldn't have been a surprise to scouts. McKinnon was beat on power bull rush by Montana linebacker Jordan Tripp. LSU's Lamin Borrow pushed him to the side on a swim move, and it was obvious that McKinnon is a big time work in progress as a blocker. However, he really excelled in the team scrimmage as a runner. On one of the first plays, McKinnon broke off a long run on a counter that he cut to the right side. In an insant, McKinnon was about 40 yards downfield before a defender got close to him. On a run to the right, Arkansas' Chris Smith had a bead on him in the backfield, but McKinnon broke Smith's ankles with a juke move to bolt to the left side. McKinnon used his cutting ability to make another defender miss in the box on another run. McKinnon is an interesting back to keep an eye on as this year's "Zac Stacy" or "Alfred Morris" as a third-day pick that makes an immediate impact as a runner.

Utah cornerback Keith McGill was impressive. He did well in the one-on-ones and looked fluid in the defensive back drills for such a bigger cornerback (6-3, 214). To get his one-on-ones started, McGill jammed Jordan Matthews hard and stayed with him to slap a pass away. It was a near interception for McGill. Matthews couldn't get separation from McGill on two other routes, but Matthews did out fight McGill for a reception. McGill will interest teams that want to employ big corners on the edge.

Florida cornerback Jaylen Watkins also had a good day. He moves well and has some agility to go with speed. That shouldn't be surprising considering he's the brother of Sammy Watkins, but the Gators have been loaded at corner in recent years so Watkins has flown under the radar. Watkins was beaten by Tulane's Ryan Grant deep and had to resort to a pass interference to break up a pass. He came back to have tight coverage on a number of plays. In the team scrimmage, he blanketed Jordan Matthews running a go route down the sideline to force an incompletion. Watkins also blew up a wide receiver screen and was able to slap the ball out for a forced fumble. Watkins is an interesting sleeper to keep an eye. He has athleticism, but needs to improve his ability to play the ball.

BYU wide receiver Cody Hoffman had a nice day. He showed some strength and route-running to get some completions in the one-on-ones. To get it started, he shoved Liberty cornerback Walt Aikens away when Aikens tried to jam him and Hoffman was quickly open on a slant. He beat Aikens on a comeback route and outfought another defensive back for a reception on a slant. A lack of speed hurts Hoffman, but he makes up for it in other ways.

Texas wide receiver Mike Davis had a pretty play when he burned Auburn cornerback Chris Davis with a stop and go route. Chris Davis bit badly on the fake, and Mike Davis got wide open running along the sideline. Chris Davis needs to improve his eye discipline.

Apparently Carr has been staying after every practice with WRs working on timing.

I am very intrigued my many of these QB prospects in this draft. I'm channeling my inner Ron Wolf.

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 1h

Clemson QB Tahj Boyd and Wake Forest WR Mike Campanaro said they've spoken with the #Chiefs.

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Hopefully it was more than just talk.

Get Daniel the **** out.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Enemkpali giving some prelim info to a <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Chiefs&amp;src=hash">#Chiefs</a> scout <a href="http://t.co/5ONKd4kXir">pic.twitter.com/5ONKd4kXir</a></p>&mdash; Shane P. Hallam (@ShanePHallam) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShanePHallam/statuses/426107971504852992">January 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I would assume it's IK Enemkpali from Louisiana Tech.