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ThaVirus 01-21-2014 04:32 PM

Who do you think deserves the Defensive Player of the Year award?
 
I was watching NFL Live earlier and they discussed this today. There are some very deserving candidates this year and it got me wondering which one I think deserves it most..

They had four guys that they narrowed the voting down to (Sherman, Kuechly, Mathis and Quinn) with three additional honorable mentions (Bowman, Watt, and Thomas) so I'll stick to having those guys on the poll.

Snapplez 01-21-2014 04:36 PM

Quinn or Sherman

Big Poppa Payne 01-21-2014 04:36 PM

Luke Kuechly

ThaVirus 01-21-2014 04:38 PM

Luke Keuchly: 156 tackles, 2.0 sacks, and 4 INTs.

Richard Sherman: (League-leading) 8 INTs, 16 passes defensed and 1 TD.

Navorro Bowman: 145 tackles, 5.0 sacks, 2 INTs, 4 FFs and 1 TD.

Robert Mathis: (League-leading) 19.5 sacks, 8 FFs and 1 safety.

Robert Quinn: 19.0 sacks, (league-leading) 23 TFL and 7 FFs.

Earl Thomas: 105 tackles, 9 passes defensed, 5 INTs and 2 FFs.

JJ Watt: 10.5 sacks, 22 TFL, 7 passes defensed and 4 FFs.

ThaVirus 01-21-2014 04:40 PM

I could see an argument for anyone of them. Although the argument for Watt would be the weakest given the dip his stats took, that can most likely be attributed to his shitty team. They barely ever had a lead this season so his opportunities for sacks and passes defensed were probably considerably less numerous..

If forced to choose, I'd say Mathis.

The Franchise 01-21-2014 04:44 PM

It's hard to pick between Bowman, Mathis or Quinn. Keuchly is up there as well.

Marcellus 01-21-2014 04:45 PM

Bowman, he needs a consolation prize for blowing up his knee anyway.

mcaj22 01-21-2014 04:50 PM

i wish we had a safety like Earl Thomas holy **** at those stats

The Franchise 01-21-2014 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10385805)
i wish we had a safety like Earl Thomas holy **** at those stats

Yeah...it'd be nice to have a DC use our top 5 safety like he should be. Instead we have a $11 million/year glorified LB.

ThaVirus 01-21-2014 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10385805)
i wish we had a safety like Earl Thomas holy **** at those stats

I think I remember hearing that a safety having 100+ tackles as well as 5+ INTs in a season has either never happened before or only a handful of times at the most. Impressive for sure..

But in fairness to Berry, he and Thomas are used in completely different ways. Berry is basically used the same way Kam Chancellor is in Seattle so it would be more appropriate to compare those two.

scho63 01-21-2014 04:56 PM

KENDRICK LEWIS!!!

Garcia Bronco 01-21-2014 05:11 PM

Terrance Knighton

Fritz88 01-21-2014 05:19 PM

Luke QB'd his defense and made the calls in many situations. I'll take him. He gave Brady fists.

Halfcan 01-21-2014 05:38 PM

Kendick Lewis had a year nobody will ever forget-he should get some kind of award.

TimBone 01-21-2014 05:47 PM

I'd give it to Quinn or Mathis.

chiefzilla1501 01-21-2014 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 10385834)
KENDRICK LEWIS!!!

He has to be a shoo-in for offensive player of the year

RippedmyFlesh 01-21-2014 05:57 PM

Lately you always look at the sack leader first. But not because of sympathy for injury but for his play I have to say Bowman. He just seems like he does everything great.

OldSchool 01-21-2014 06:19 PM

Quinn was easily the most disruptive player this season. Fastest first step in the league. If you were going with the LBs, Bowman would have to be over Kuechly. Sherman is the best CB in the league right now and it's not even close; the amazing thing is he's been this good since his rookie year. JJ Watt, only reason why his name is up there is because he won it last year; nowhere near as good as all of these other players this year.

HoneyBadger 01-21-2014 06:44 PM

Peyton manning.

BossChief 01-21-2014 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10385805)
i wish we had a safety like Earl Thomas holy **** at those stats

Those are basically Jarius Byrds averages and he is available in FA.

In 5 years, he has

22picks
11 forced fumbles
5 recovered fumbles
33 pass defenses
409 return yards
2 defensive scores.

I know he is gonna be pricey, but that guy is a flat out game changer worth the extra money. It's too bad we can't afford him.

The Bad Guy 01-21-2014 08:53 PM

I might be the only one who thinks Keuchly is overrated. He's sideline to sideline but tons of his tackles are made 10 yards down field.

hometeam 01-21-2014 08:54 PM

Godamn Kuechly was stolen from me right before my eyes! :(

Three7s 01-21-2014 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10386320)
I might be the only one who thinks Keuchly is overrated. He's sideline to sideline but tons of his tackles are made 10 yards down field.

That said, I'd still love to have him next to DJ. During the draft, I REALLY wanted Keuchly, but I"m really happy with Poe too, and he plays a more important position on defense.

The Bad Guy 01-21-2014 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10386331)
That said, I'd still love to have him next to DJ. During the draft, I REALLY wanted Keuchly, but I"m really happy with Poe too, and he plays a more important position on defense.

Hey don't get me wrong, I'd take him in a minute.

But he's not even close as the best ILB in football, IMO.

ThaVirus 01-21-2014 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10386320)
I might be the only one who thinks Keuchly is overrated. He's sideline to sideline but tons of his tackles are made 10 yards down field.

Eh, he was the unquestioned leader on possibly the best defense in the league.

He's really, really good in coverage too.

Mav 01-21-2014 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10386059)
Quinn was easily the most disruptive player this season. Fastest first step in the league. If you were going with the LBs, Bowman would have to be over Kuechly. Sherman is the best CB in the league right now and it's not even close; the amazing thing is he's been this good since his rookie year. JJ Watt, only reason why his name is up there is because he won it last year; nowhere near as good as all of these other players this year.

Its closer than you think at Corner.

Joe Haden shuts down everyone without the benefit of having all pros SURROUND HIM.

For me, it has to be bowman. Seeing Quinn blow up like that is amazing. Im a tarheel guy, and he was the guy I wanted over Aldon Smith. Both are amazing. But, Robert Quinn is the purest pass rusher I have seen since Reggie White.

Mav 01-21-2014 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10386320)
I might be the only one who thinks Keuchly is overrated. He's sideline to sideline but tons of his tackles are made 10 yards down field.

I agree with you. He also like Sherman, ( I love Sherman don't get me wrong) is helped by the surrounding players. It can be argued that he wasn't even the best linebacker on his team this year, that would be Thomas Davis.

ThaVirus 01-21-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10386417)
I agree with you. He also like Sherman, ( I love Sherman don't get me wrong) is helped by the surrounding players. It can be argued that he wasn't even the best linebacker on his team this year, that would be Thomas Davis.

You're really lambasting a couple guys that are possibly the best individual players on their defense because they happen to play for top defensive units... while hyping up Navorro Bowman? He is literally in the same exact position as them..

Mav 01-21-2014 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10386442)
You're really lambasting a couple guys that are possibly the best individual players on their defense because they happen to play for top defensive units... while hyping up Navorro Bowman? He is literally in the same exact position as them..

Touche. that's called situational bias, and you are right.

Well at least on Sherman. but like I said. kuechly if you ask around might not of been better than Thomas Davis.

Depending on who you ask, Earl Thomas may of been better than Sherman, but no one would say that anyone was better than bowman.

But, you are absolutely correct. Im a BOWMAN guy, so I lean that way.

Good call. And no, im not being a dick, arrogant, or sarcastic. I just hadn't thought of it the way you said.

alpha_omega 01-21-2014 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10385789)
Bowman, he needs a consolation prize for blowing up his knee anyway.

Yep, that was my first thought as well, but...it has to be Quinn.

ThaVirus 01-21-2014 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10386461)
Touche. that's called situational bias, and you are right.

Well at least on Sherman. but like I said. kuechly if you ask around might not of been better than Thomas Davis.

Depending on who you ask, Earl Thomas may of been better than Sherman, but no one would say that anyone was better than bowman.

But, you are absolutely correct. Im a BOWMAN guy, so I lean that way.

Good call. And no, im not being a dick, arrogant, or sarcastic. I just hadn't thought of it the way you said.


I feels you, man. I ain't even trippin. Just wanted you to see your bias.

Any way you can work Josh Gordon into this discussion? Heh.

Mav 01-21-2014 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10386473)
I feels you, man. I ain't even trippin. Just wanted you to see your bias.

Any way you can work Josh Gordon into this discussion? Heh.

LOL. Other than the fact that I feel horrible for the guy?

No, no not so much haha.

OldSchool 01-21-2014 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10386413)
Its closer than you think at Corner.

Joe Haden shuts down everyone without the benefit of having all pros SURROUND HIM.

For me, it has to be bowman. Seeing Quinn blow up like that is amazing. Im a tarheel guy, and he was the guy I wanted over Aldon Smith. Both are amazing. But, Robert Quinn is the purest pass rusher I have seen since Reggie White.

Sherman shuts down his side of the field and routinely baits Qbs into throwing at him which is the reason why he is always near the tops in the league in INTs. He intentionally gives QBs looks that they like and then uses his athletic ability to take it away at the last second. No one in the league does that better than he does; Not Revis, not Haden, not Peterson (I don't really consider him among the best corners but other people do for some odd reason), not anyone. And on top of that, he can stick his man and shut down the league's best receivers; he is unquestionably the best defender of the fade route in the NFL. It really isn't close at all.

As far as Quinn vs Aldon Smith goes, they each have different things going for them. Quinn is one of the best speed rushers in the NFL while Aldon uses a combination of strength and speed to win his battles. I wonder if Aldon would be as successful without Justin Smith tying up blockers for him. I think that without Justin Smith, Aldon Smith is a 10-12 sacks a year kind of guy at this point in his career, he's definitely on the upswing though.

MAYHEM 01-21-2014 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10385976)
I'd give it to Quinn or Mathis.

Quinn was outstanding this year. What a season he had-just consistently beat everyone he faced- clinical!

Mathis has made a ton of game changing strip sacks throughout his Colts career and broke the all time record this year. The one vs Peyton was tremendous. I'd go with Mathis but I'm a homer.

threebag 01-21-2014 10:36 PM

Mathis

Nightfyre 01-21-2014 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10385805)
i wish we had a safety like Earl Thomas holy **** at those stats

Damn you Eric Berry! Only getting 74 tackles, 3 Ints, 1 FF, 3.5 sacks and 2 tds.....


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