Shields not elected to Hall of Fame
 

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...a-0932e7362447

The team's former guard honored to be on the HOF ballot

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee announced Saturday that the following group will be enshrined as part of the Hall of Fame’s Class of 2014 in Canton, Ohio on Aug. 2.

SENIOR NOMINEES

Ray Guy - Punter - 14 seasons, 207 games; Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders (1973-1986)

Claude Humphrey - DE - 14 seasons, 171 games; Atlanta Falcons (1968-1978) (1975 inj. res.) Philadelphia Eagles (1979-1981)

FIRST-YEAR ELIGIBLES

Derrick Brooks - LB -Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1995-2008) 14 seasons, 224 games

Walter Jones - OL - Seattle Seahawks (1997-2008) 12 seasons, 180 games

MODERN-ERA PLAYERS

Andre Reed - WR - 16 seasons, 234 games; Buffalo Bills (1985-1999) Washington Redskins (2000)

Michael Strahan - DE - 15 seasons, 216 games; New York Giants (1993-2007)

Aeneas Williams - CB/Safety - 14 seasons, 211 games; Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals (1991-2000) St. Louis Rams (2001-04)


Former Chiefs guard Will Shields says despite not being part of the Pro Football Hall of Fame's 2014 Class, he's grateful to be mentioned among the greats of the game.

"It’s a great honor to be on that list," Shields said. "Me not getting in doesn’t tarnish anything that's been done over the 14 years of my career. It's still a positive thing. It's okay. There’s nothing I can do to change it. There are a lot of great guys that have played and had great careers on the field and some of them had great careers off the field. All I can say is I put my best foot forward and did everything I possibly could, on the field and off the field. My goal was to be the best teammate, the best player to always end up in the top-tier of what I did and then everything else falls into place after that. That’s sort of the way I looked at my career. Every day I stepped on the field, I wanted to be the best player I could be, on that day, and then after that, whatever happens, happens; I can’t control anything beyond that. I can control my little space, helping out my tackle or helping out my center, or those kind of things, and beyond that, I really can’t control the other pieces. I’ve done what I can do and I have to let the chips fall where they may."

Here's to hoping the chips fall in favor of Will, next season, for the Class of 2015.

Weak

Aeneas Williams over him? Are you kidding?

Heresy!

Sucks.
Sucks.
Sucks.

Next year, get Will and Otis Taylor both in there...

Seriously

Bullshit. Total and utter bullshit.

If they did it purely on ability and production, he'd be first ballot.

Last year they gave his bust to Jonathan Ogden, and this year they gave it to Walter Jones. It's ridiculous.

There are about 5 or 6 voters on that committee who absolutely hate the Chiefs.

rip off.

RIOT BURN THE PLACE DOWN
HALL OF SHAME IS A SHAM

FYP

you mean Aeneas Williams lol

Rigged?

Get the Chiefs in the Superbowl.


That's what it will take.

Agreed, though Walter Jones was a pretty good Left Tackle.

I'm more pissed that they gave a spot to a ****ing punter. It's a shame Dr. Z isn't still writing. He was the main reason Guy never made it in the Hall, and it should have stayed that way.

Tackles will usually make it over guards. Right or wrong, it's become sort of a glamor position.

Didn't someone say or a Peter King maybe that there was another punter from that era that had better stats than Ray Guy?

Peter King and Dr. Z have lobbied against Ray Guy, and they have a great point. I think Dr. Z said that Ray Guy's net punt average was somewhere in the low 30's. The guy punted for distance, never punted coffin corners, consistently led the league in touchbacks, and punted down the middle of the field instead of the sidelines.

Him getting into the hall of fame let alone the lobbying to get him in are just silly.

Weak sauce.

Apparently when they cut the finalists group from 15 to 10... Shields did make it, so hopefully that means he's close.

You could probably have a good debate whether Reed deserves to be in over Marvin Harrison. And Kevin Greene got left out again.

Aeneas Williams was not that good.

Yes but if any punter was to make it in it should be Guy. Roby a distant second...

He was ok, Hall of Very Good IMO, but not of Fame.


That's my main problem with the NFL hall. They are not exclusive enough like the MLB hall is. Too many Hall of Very Good players in. baseball is much more exclusive.

Maybe we need to send them the GIF of Shields putting Ray Lewis on his back when they were both in their prime.

What a complete ****ing joke.

Andre Reed? Strahan? ****ing Derrick Brooks? Aeneas Williams?

Apparently the HOF has now become a repository for the Hall of the Very Good without including the great.

Is Andre Reed even one of the 20 best WRs of all time?

Averaged 63 catches for 879 yards per year and 5.8 TDs

Dwayne Bowe averages 67 catches for 914 yards and 6.3 TDs.

This. How the **** is Williams even in a HOF discussion.

if they let these guys of the late 90s/early 00s in that means they are going to let every stat padder of the last 10 years of the passing league in.

Yeah I think that's more perplexing than Aeneas Williams. He was a pretty good CB... I'm not sure if he's HOF worthy but he got kind of got lost in Arizona for most of his career. I'm sure there are fans in other cities who would treat Shields the same way.

But I probably would've voted Marvin Harrison in over Reed. I know he played with Manning, but still. Harrison had a great rookie year playing with Jim Harbaugh. He was a great, great WR. Awesome hands, the best route runner you'll see.

Hall of Famer Dwayne Bowe in 2025!

If he doesn't get in because there are better players, then fine. But he for sure should be ahead of some of these guys (homerism aside).

But.... Only if he finishes his career with a different team.

You don't think Derrick Brooks is deserving? He was, admittedly, a bit before the time that I legitimately watched football every Sunday, but I remember him being very, very good.

Guard is a really tough position to quantify. I mean, what stats are there to support your decision ?

You could say the same for LTs as well.

As someone mentioned, he had an amazing string of consecutive starts, Pro Bowl appearances, and All-Pro nominations.

I'm fine with Brooks, but he was not a better football player than Will Shields.

If Will Shields is better than every other player who made it in, save maybe Walter Jones.

Brooks is borderline, IMO. But I think the standard for the HOF should be a lot higher than it is.

is the difference maker really winning? playoffs? super bowls? That's the only thing that seperates guys like Derrick Brooks and Aeneas Williams from Will Shields

they were carried to a Super Bowl and Shields was not.

Agreed, I hear what you are sayin'. Guess I would point to 223 consecutive starts. Not sure where that is all-time but its gotta be up there.

I disagree. There are plenty of punters better than Guy. He is the classic example of stat padding.

Brooks was a huge part of the Bucs defensive turnaround... played in several big playoff games and won a Super Bowl. That's the difference.

It's kind of weird he got in right away and DT didn't... not sure that's fair. But they were complete opposites as players so it's hard to compare. DT was all rush, no coverage... Brooks was no rush, all world in coverage.

12 NFL pro-bowls, Walter Payton NFL player of the year and NFL all decade team from the 90's should be a good enough measuring stick.

Will Shields got ****ed.

Williams was even declining when he went to St. Louis and moved to safety, so he doesn't even have that many high-level seasons.

Was anyone ever afraid of playing him? Did you think when we'd play Arizona "Well, they might suck but they've got Aeneas Williams". I don't get it.

Bull ****ing shit. Ray Guy wasn't any better than Jerrel Wilson, and probably wasn't even as good.

It's mostly winning Super Bowls. Very good players with Super Bowl hardware will have an advantage over very good players without.

Wouldn't surprise me if Blob Gretz has his ****ing hands allover this. It took someone else taking over the campaign to get Derrick Thomas in the HoF finally, because he was such a colossal **** up.

Only 3 of the 7 have a Super Bowl ring.

wow, that's a pretty weak class.

Yeah, but they did all play in at least one... I think.

I don't get the Walter Jones love? He was good.....but great? First ballot great??

Not positive, but I think Covitz that handles that now. I know he is the KC voter on the committee.

Aeneas Williams was good but not even close to HOF good, this is a joke.

He was pretty great. He's a HOF'er. What stinks is he's a first ballot and Roaf wasn't.

I think people are knocking these guys because some of them played in lesser known markets... which is the same thing probably hurting Shields. Jones might be the best player in this class.

Oh, I know why Walter Jone is so highly regarded. Shaun Alexander.

And Roaf still may not be in if Jason Whitlock didn't go on a personal mission to let everyone know he should be there.

Walter Jones played 12 years, 180 games. He helped make Shaun Alexander and Steve Hutchinson a lot of money.

Over his entire 180 game career... he allowed a total of 23 sacks, and was called for holding nine times. Nine.

This.


Oh and, LMAOLMAOLMAO

Charles Tillman might be my new favorite player after that.

Ray Guy was put in by the Seniors Committee. If we go back and look at the stats, I'll bet Jerrell Wilson's stats are almost if not as good as Guy's.

Guy played 14 seasons, averaging 42.4 gross. We don't know net. His best season was a 45.3 gross, and that was his only season above 44.0.

Jerrell Wilson played 16 seasons, averaging 43.0 gross. We don't know net. His best season was a 45.5 gross, and he had 7 seasons averaging more than 44.0.

Dave Lewis was another guy who was very good at his peak, but he had a very short career (with the Bengals). He only played 4 seasons, with a career 43.7 gross. His best season was a 46.2, and he had 2 seasons above 44.0.

Yeah, that resume should do it, particularly the All Decade team.

Will was very gracious about it, and that's awesome of him. Rep for Will.

I just feel like this validates the lack of respect the NFL has towards the Chiefs. I realize that part of the problem is they haven't won a playoff game in over 20 years but that's not Will Shields fault. He is one of the good guys in the NFL and he played the game the way it was meant to be played, he deserves better.

There is almost 1,700 players in the league each year and to win the Walter Payton NFL player of the year award, something Will Shields did is a prestigious honor and it means you're not only a good player but a good person. I just feel like Will Shields should've been a lock, I would like to know who was selling him to the HOF committee because they did a shitty job.

My overall thoughts, in terms of deservedness.

1. Aeneas Williams. The guy was one of the best CBs of his era, and maybe the best. The HoF screws over CBs, so I'm delighted that Williams got in. He was the only DB in the finals other than Lynch and clearly deserved it more than Lynch, who shouldn't be a finalist.

2. Derrick Brooks. Brooks deserves to be in the HoF, but Kevin Greene should have this LB spot. Brooks isn't a first-ballot guy and Greene deserves it more.

3. Walter Jones. Jones deserves to be in the HoF, but come on. Will Shields deserves it far more in the OL spot and has been waiting. It's moronic that Jones gets in on the first ballot and Shields continues to wait. Morons, morons, morons.

4. Michael Strahan. In a weak year Strahan would probably get in, and that's fine. I'd put Haley in first at DE, though.

5. Andre Reed. I wouldn't have put any of the WR finalists in. Maybe Marvin Harrison should get in at some point, but not on the first ballot. This spot should have gone to Morten Andersen.

Seniors

1. Ray Guy. We know that Jerrel Wilson deserves it more, but I'm jsut glad that a punter finally made it. Maybe Jerrel will get his due some day.

2. Claude Humphrey. Nah. He was a good DE, but there were better in that era. Dwight White still isn't in. And Kenny Easley, Deron Cherry, Albert Lewis, and Joe Jacoby are still waiting.

Marvin Harrison definitely deserves to get in.

From an NFL article about his snubbing:

"Over a dominant eight-year stretch from 1999 to 2006 when he rivaled Randy Moss and Terrell Owens as the best wide receiver in the game, Harrison averaged 103 receptions, 1,402 yards and 13 touchdowns per season."

That is incredible.

That is also incredible.

He was awesome, as were a lot of Chiefs from that era (my God the whole line!!), but he and they were all part of something that didn't work in the end.

And the HoF should be about individual achievement, and it really is, but there's a cloud that'll alway hang over those who didn't play as members of a team that achieved post-season success.

It really sucks for him, it really does. He really did typify the best of what a football play should be.

Did Derrick Thomas even make it in first ballot? We get so shafted.

Albert Lewis should be in the Hall of Fame too. He might be the most dominant player the Chiefs have ever had it any position. Also he blocked 11 punts. That's ridiculous.

Don't get too worked up over in man, it's not worth it. Trust me, it's not worth it. "We" can't change it, so don't get too invested in it...

I'm pissed about this shit and I don't know why I'm so bothered by it. I'm going to drink tonight until I can't feel feelings.

DT was sixth or seventh. In fact most if not all primarily Chiefs players in the HOF were in their 6/7th if not later ballot...including Lanier, Bell, Buchannan.

He had 143 catches one season. No one in the history of the NFL has come within 20 receptions of that number.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ame-candidacy/
Here's a great article about Guy. Basically says he's nothing special, and King and Dr. Z have more to add. If you're a punter, you better be all-world. Guy wasn't even close to that. So much of his hall of fame stock is built on booming punts down the middle, instead of kicking it to the sidelines. And no punter with that many touchbacks should get this kind of street cred.

Really? You're going to go out of your way to white knight a freaking PUNTER?

Peyton Manning

Yeah, but Harrison looked great as a rookie too with Jim Harbaugh at QB. Sure it helped his overall numbers to work with Manning... but still, no one else has come within 20 receptions of that number in a season. You can't invalidate that, it is amazing.

I am ready for Randy Moss to be the HOF. That is my man.

Royce has spoken. So let it be written, so let it be done.

I don't know if it has anything to do with it but wasn't Marvin Harrisson involved with a murder in Philadelphia a few years ago. There were strong links but he never was prosecuted.