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mdchiefsfan 03-11-2014 07:28 PM

Byrd to NO Saints
 
On mobile, just popped up from NFL App.

OldSchool 03-11-2014 07:29 PM

Fack the Saints.

mdchiefsfan 03-11-2014 07:30 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...arrier=verizon

chiefforlife 03-11-2014 07:30 PM

They only had two million in cap space, how the heck did they do that?

Reerun_KC 03-11-2014 07:30 PM

Nice pick up.

Titty Meat 03-11-2014 07:30 PM

Impossible CP said the Chiefs couldn't sign him because of money but he signs with another team that has less money.

BossChief 03-11-2014 07:31 PM

I'm crying inside.

Mother****erJones 03-11-2014 07:31 PM

Oh but we have no space! And they need to sign jimmy graham. Ya bullshit

O.city 03-11-2014 07:32 PM

6 year deal

wink91wink 03-11-2014 07:32 PM

I'm beginning to ponder our front office's motives

Titty Meat 03-11-2014 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wink91wink (Post 10481789)
I'm beginning to ponder our front office's motives

Transition period dude.

BossChief 03-11-2014 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefforlife (Post 10481779)
They only had two million in cap space, how the heck did they do that?

You don't have to be under the cap right now....I forget the deadline of when you have to be under the cap, but right now you can spend what you want.

chiefs1111 03-11-2014 07:33 PM

Buccaneers agree to terms with Alterraun Verner

TribalElder 03-11-2014 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wink91wink (Post 10481789)
I'm beginning to ponder our front office's motives

they were asleep after the afternoon bar-b-que session at andy's

Mugsy 03-11-2014 07:33 PM

I am glad we didn't get Byrd. I want Berry to be a Chief forever and we weren't going to have $15 to $20 million locked up in the safety position.

saphojunkie 03-11-2014 07:34 PM

Bye bye sproles (3.5 mil cap number) and pierre thomas (2.9 mil cap number - no dead money)

Reerun_KC 03-11-2014 07:34 PM

38-10. ALL you need to know about this franchise.

BossChief 03-11-2014 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wink91wink (Post 10481789)
I'm beginning to ponder our front office's motives

Why?

We don't even know the price tag yet.

O.city 03-11-2014 07:34 PM

Why in earth would you trade for Sproles now? He's for sure to be cut

The Bad Guy 03-11-2014 07:35 PM

Cap space is myth. If you want to spend on players, you can, regardless of what your cap situation is.

Al Bundy 03-11-2014 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 10481794)
Buccaneers agree to terms with Alterraun Verner

Best Cover 2 type corner. Ohhh and **** the Saints.

Cephalic Trauma 03-11-2014 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10481803)
Why in earth would you trade for Sproles now? He's for sure to be cut

Avoid giving a 30 yr old back a multi-year deal.

BossChief 03-11-2014 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10481797)
I am glad we didn't get Byrd. I want Berry to be a Chief forever and we weren't going to have $15 to $20 million locked up in the safety position.

Oh, shut up Blackbob.

This team needs to build to beat Peyton Manning and you do that by having good back end coverage and taking the ball away in coverage.

wink91wink 03-11-2014 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10481802)
Why?

We don't even know the price tag yet.

Not this move in general, just how the entire day is unfolding. I understand not resigning Tyson, BA, and McCluster, but letting Schwartz and Asamoah go has me :hmmm:

The Franchise 03-11-2014 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10481805)
Cap space is myth. If you want to spend on players, you can, regardless of what your cap situation is.

This.

BossChief 03-11-2014 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10481805)
Cap space is myth. If you want to spend on players, you can, regardless of what your cap situation is.

This. Especially when you have a lot of high dollar base salaries on your roster and the cap is about to explode.

We could have 150 million in cap spending right now and fairly easily get under the cap by making 3 moves.

There is ALWAYS a way.

Mugsy 03-11-2014 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10481813)
Oh, shut up Blackbob.

This team needs to build to beat Peyton Manning and you do that by having good back end coverage and taking the ball away in coverage.

The Seahawks whipped his ass with defensive linemen who could knock down passes at the line of scrimmage. They took away the short passing game. That's what we need to work on. You can have all the cover guys in the world but the refs aren't going to call those chip blocks when Peyton is on the field.

We spent a ton of money last season. We were one of the top spenders. Put your patience hat on. Teams always over pay on the first day.

The Bad Guy 03-11-2014 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10481827)
This. Especially when you have a lot of high dollar base salaries on your roster and the cap is about to explode.

We could have 150 million in cap spending right now and fairly easily get under the cap by making 3 moves.

There is ALWAYS a way.

Absolutely. I hate when I read about how Dorsey is cap strapped. He knew the dollars he was spending last year and he knew the likely crop to be available this year.

He didn't want to invest in the high end talent. Can argue the rights and wrongs of it, but if he wanted to get players out of this crop, he had ways to do it.

The Franchise 03-11-2014 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10481834)
Absolutely. I hate when I read about how Dorsey is cap strapped. He knew the dollars he was spending last year and he knew the likely crop to be available this year.

He didn't want to invest in the high end talent. Can argue the rights and wrongs of it, but if he wanted to get players out of this crop, he had ways to do it.

And that's what pisses me off.

O.city 03-11-2014 07:41 PM

It's looking more and more like that big spending "splurge" last year in fa was a pr spin to win as much as they could to get fans back

Mr. Laz 03-11-2014 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 10481787)
Oh but we have no space! And they need to sign jimmy graham. Ya bullshit

yep, a team can get cap room whenever they want in the short term. It's whether you are ready to make a push or not. Whether your owner is willing to make a push.

Apparently Dorsey/Reid/Hunt don't want to make a push yet.

Mr. Laz 03-11-2014 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10481839)
It's looking more and more like that big spending "splurge" last year in fa was a pr spin to win as much as they could to get fans back

:sulk:

O.city 03-11-2014 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10481846)
:sulk:

What deal from last years offseason looks good now?

mdchiefsfan 03-11-2014 07:43 PM

I'm beginning to think we are going to try our damnedest to trade out of the first round.

BossChief 03-11-2014 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wink91wink (Post 10481815)
Not this move in general, just how the entire day is unfolding. I understand not resigning Tyson, BA, and McCluster, but letting Schwartz and Asamoah go has me :hmmm:

Just chill.

None of those guys are worth what they got outside of maybe Albert and even that deal has question marks due to injuries. No way I'd give Asamoah 4.5 per year...Tyson Jackson at 5/yr? No. McCluster at 4/yr lol. I'm sure Schwartz got way more than he's worth, too.

Give Dorsey credit, he is in touch with who each of these guys are and what they bring and showed last year that he has a knack of finding FA bargains to fill roles without overspending.

WakkaWakka 03-11-2014 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10481839)
It's looking more and more like that big spending "splurge" last year in fa was a pr spin to win as much as they could to get fans back

The Chiefs way.

Easy 6 03-11-2014 07:44 PM

Yawwwn, oh wait a minute... :ZZZ:

If you expected this guy, that's on you...

Mugsy 03-11-2014 07:44 PM

We are 4 hours and 43 minutes into this and we won eleven games last year. Now Dorsey sucks?

The sky is falling!!!! LOL

Chiefnj2 03-11-2014 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10481853)
Just chill.

None of those guys are worth what they got outside of maybe Albert and even that deal has question marks due to injuries. No way I'd give Asamoah 4.5 per year...Tyson Jackson at 5/yr? No. McCluster at 4/yr lol. I'm sure Schwartz got way more than he's worth, too.

Give Dorsey credit, he is in touch with who each of these guys are and what they bring and showed last year that he has a knack of finding FA bargains to fill roles without overspending.

You have no idea how those contracts actually break down and the cap hit for each year.

-King- 03-11-2014 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10481839)
It's looking more and more like that big spending "splurge" last year in fa was a pr spin to win as much as they could to get fans back

We had a big spending splurge last year?

BossChief 03-11-2014 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10481832)
The Seahawks whipped his ass with defensive linemen who could knock down passes at the line of scrimmage. They took away the short passing game. That's what we need to work on. You can have all the cover guys in the world but the refs aren't going to call those chip blocks when Peyton is on the field.

We spent a ton of money last season. We were one of the top spenders. Put your patience hat on. Teams always over pay on the first day.

Dumbass.

They were able to do that because they have great safety play.

When you know the opposing team isn't gonna be trying to throw deep, you can prepare your DL to get their hands up to knock down the short passes and for your corners to jump the short routes.

If we had added Byrd, we could have mimicked that approach.

mcaj22 03-11-2014 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10481877)
Dumbass.

They were able to do that because they have great safety play.

When you know the opposing team isn't gonna be trying to throw deep, you can prepare your DL to get their hands up to knock down the short passes and for your corners to jump the short routes.

If we had added Byrd, we could have mimicked that approach.

or we can hit on our 5th round Safety like the Seahawks did with their SS.

...or their 7th round LBer that was Super Bowl MVP

or their undrafted DT.

or their two 5th round CBs.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 03-11-2014 07:48 PM

March and April are ratings sweep time. Stupid n00bs

TambaBerry 03-11-2014 07:48 PM

How ****ing much did he sign for if its under 8 ill be pissed

Mugsy 03-11-2014 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10481877)

If we had added Byrd, we could have mimicked that approach.

In a nutshell, we were NEVER going to add Byrd. It was really unrealistic to EVER think that was going to happen. I'm sorry you are depressed.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-11-2014 07:51 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Saints are giving former Bills S Jairus Byrd a six-year, $54 million contract, including $28 million guaranteed, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/statuses/443564616140849152">March 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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O.city 03-11-2014 07:51 PM

Damn

wink91wink 03-11-2014 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10481853)
Just chill.

None of those guys are worth what they got outside of maybe Albert and even that deal has question marks due to injuries. No way I'd give Asamoah 4.5 per year...Tyson Jackson at 5/yr? No. McCluster at 4/yr lol. I'm sure Schwartz got way more than he's worth, too.

Give Dorsey credit, he is in touch with who each of these guys are and what they bring and showed last year that he has a knack of finding FA bargains to fill roles without overspending.

Well at this point, we have no cap room and just let 3/5 of our O-line walk. I really hope he can fill this without overspending, but he has a lot less room to work with this year.

RippedmyFlesh 03-11-2014 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10481834)
Absolutely. I hate when I read about how Dorsey is cap strapped. He knew the dollars he was spending last year and he knew the likely crop to be available this year.

He didn't want to invest in the high end talent. Can argue the rights and wrongs of it, but if he wanted to get players out of this crop, he had ways to do it.

Last year it was about churning the bottom of the roster. We didn't break the bank on free agents last year really when we had more room. I agree they just don't want to spend big in fa. GB doesn't and it seems like philly got burned bad when they did recently.
I think they will get pieces but not stars in fa. Until they reach the point where 1 more player puts you over the top.At that point I want to believe they will pull the trigger.

keg in kc 03-11-2014 07:52 PM

There was no way byrd was ever coming to KC. There's no way they could ever afford two contracts of that size at safety.

Mugsy 03-11-2014 07:52 PM

If we had signed him, we'd be paying our safeties $19 million this year. No team would do that. It was never going to happen fellas.

OldSchool 03-11-2014 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10481893)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Saints are giving former Bills S Jairus Byrd a six-year, $54 million contract, including $28 million guaranteed, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/statuses/443564616140849152">March 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Yeeaaaaaa . . . . no. :shake:

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-11-2014 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10481904)
If we had signed him, we'd be paying our safeties $19 million this year. No team would do that. It was never going to happen fellas.

Seahawks will when they lock up Earl.

wink91wink 03-11-2014 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10481893)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Saints are giving former Bills S Jairus Byrd a six-year, $54 million contract, including $28 million guaranteed, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/statuses/443564616140849152">March 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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So much for Bill Pollian saying he should get in the 6 million dollar a year range :clap::clap:

Deberg_1990 03-11-2014 07:55 PM

No worries,


Commings is ready to rape souls.....


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The Franchise 03-11-2014 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10481893)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Saints are giving former Bills S Jairus Byrd a six-year, $54 million contract, including $28 million guaranteed, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/statuses/443564616140849152">March 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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****. That.

Mr. Laz 03-11-2014 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10481903)
There was no way byrd was ever coming to KC. There's no way they could ever afford two contracts of that size at safety.

of course they COULD ... they just never WOULD

too much for the safety position


Romeo screwed the pooch in a big way by putting a top 5 safety in the box.

keg in kc 03-11-2014 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10481921)
of course they COULD ... they just never WOULD

too much for the safety position


Romeo screwed the pooch in a big way by putting a top 5 safety in the box.

Yeah, I considered making it 'would', but either way, the point stands.

BossChief 03-11-2014 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10481839)
It's looking more and more like that big spending "splurge" last year in fa was a pr spin to win as much as they could to get fans back

Or that they are trying to lock up Houston AND Alex Smith long term and don't want to go spending elsewhere before locking up our own guys first, then do our best to bargain shop again with anything left over.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10481904)
If we had signed him, we'd be paying our safeties $19 million this year. No team would do that. It was never going to happen fellas.

That's a short sighted view.

If we had 3 good safeties, this defense would be an elite unit and would really give Peyton a run for his money.

Go back and watch the first Denver game (when Houston and Hali were healthy) and try to imagine that defense with Byrd.

What's done is done and 9/yr is a HUGE paycheck, but in today's NFL (where guys that aren't nearly as good are getting 7-8 per year) that's a bargain.

Guys that play a role in 38 turnovers in less than 5 years are worth their weight in gold.

keg in kc 03-11-2014 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10481943)
That's a short sighted view.

The only thing more short sighted would be dedicating that much of your cap to safety.

Mugsy 03-11-2014 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10481909)
Seahawks will when they lock up Earl.

Not with Russell Wilson's contract coming up. Have they even paid Chancellor yet? They probably won't be able to keep him, Thomas and Wilson.

BossChief 03-11-2014 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10481952)
The only thing more short sighted would be dedicating that much of your cap to safety.

In a division with an aging Peyton Manning?

I completely disagree.

IMO every single move we make needs to be aimed at beating Manning.

There's a reason they moved so quickly to sign TJ ward...they didnt want him to have a chance at making it to KC and rightfully so.

ShowtimeSBMVP 03-11-2014 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10481956)
Not with Russell Wilson's contract coming up. Have they even paid Chancellor yet? They probably won't be able to keep him, Thomas and Wilson.

5 years 28m

Mr. Laz 03-11-2014 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10481943)
Or that they are trying to lock up Houston AND Alex Smith long term and don't want to go spending elsewhere before locking up our own guys first, then do our best to bargain shop again with anything left over.

Houston doesn't need to be locked up yet and they should have a decent idea what it's going to take for Alex Smith if not both players.

no excuses

they are choosing not to spend and if it costs us winning then the clock starts ticking on them losing their jobs imo.

Iconic 03-11-2014 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10481965)
In a division with an aging Peyton Manning?

I completely disagree.

IMO every single move we make needs to be aimed at beating Manning.

There's a reason they moved so quickly to sign TJ ward...they didnt want him to have a chance at making it to KC and rightfully so.

Ward is going to be our worst nightmare tbh...

BossChief 03-11-2014 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10481972)
Houston doesn't need to be locked up yet and they should have a decent idea what it's going to take for Alex Smith if not both players.

no excuses

they are choosing not to spend and if it costs us winning then the clock starts ticking on them losing their jobs imo.

Houston gets about a million and Alex gets about 8.

Houston is gonna get around 12 and Alex is gonna get around 17.

That's a big chunk of cash that is needed to get them both locked up long term.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 03-11-2014 08:16 PM

The Killer Bs didn't work out so well last time it was tried

BossChief 03-11-2014 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 10481979)
Ward is going to be our worst nightmare tbh...

I agree.

That dude is a ****ing beast and I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw Denver signed him.

O.city 03-11-2014 08:18 PM

Clemons can probably be had for half the cost of Byrd.

Micjones 03-11-2014 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10482003)
Clemons can probably be had for half the cost of Byrd.

Less than half. I'll bet they could snag Clemons for $4m per.

Iconic 03-11-2014 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10481999)
I agree.

That dude is a ****ing beast and I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw Denver signed him.

Yeah, I honestly think Dorsey had a set out plan in free agency- and that plan involved Ward. The Donkey's ****ed us hard on this one and it will cause us problems when we face them this year... Jamaal Charles? Meet the #1 Safety against the run.

Either way I think our fall back is Clemons or the draft at this point.

OldSchool 03-11-2014 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10482003)
Clemons can probably be had for half the cost of Byrd.

Less than that. He's only had 1 team interested so far according to reports. The Jets. Miami kept him on a 1-year $2.5 mil deal. We could bring him in for as little as $3 mil if the Jets don't bid for his services.

Mugsy 03-11-2014 08:23 PM

I like Ward but he is very suspect in coverage. That's why he's not a Brown and they paid Whitner instead. He is a nasty and does a good job setting the tone. I wish we would get a couple of guys like that.

Iconic 03-11-2014 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugsy (Post 10482022)
I like Ward but he is very suspect in coverage. That's why he's not a Brown and they paid Whitner instead. He is a nasty and does a good job setting the tone. I wish we would get a couple of guys like that.

Considering there are 64 Safety's in the league and he's ranked #14 against the pass... I'd say he's pretty decent?

O.city 03-11-2014 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10482015)
Less than that. He's only had 1 team interested so far according to reports. The Jets. Miami kept him on a 1-year $2.5 mil deal. We could bring him in for as little as $3 mil if the Jets don't bid for his services.

He's pretty solid in coverage and as a single high type player

BossChief 03-11-2014 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 10482034)
Considering there are 64 Safety's in the league and he's ranked #14 against the pass... I'd say he's pretty decent?

That's Blackbob. What do you expect. It's not like he's watched Browns games and he loves talking out of his ass.

Bowser 03-11-2014 08:28 PM

I was going to say that the sell job to go to New Orleans after spending a few years in Buffalo probably wasn't too terribly hard, then I saw this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10481893)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Saints are giving former Bills S Jairus Byrd a six-year, $54 million contract, including $28 million guaranteed, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/statuses/443564616140849152">March 12, 2014</a></blockquote>
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There was just absolutely no way he was going to go anywhere else. A shame, because he alone would have upgraded our defense significantly.

"Salary Cap". My ass.

OldSchool 03-11-2014 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10482038)
He's pretty solid in coverage and as a single high type player

Yeah, but he is also limited to that role because he isn't very good in run support. He also hasn't proven to be much of a play maker either, just a solid guy who can cover some ground and help prevent the deep play. That's why he will be pretty cheap and why we need him.

O.city 03-11-2014 08:31 PM

That's what we need at FS

BossChief 03-11-2014 08:31 PM

I'd be happy with Clemons, but I think we may want to wait and draft a safety.


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