Is this 2004 déjà vu?
 

It just seems like so far that's where this offseason is heading.

We have a good year and then in the offseason we spin our wheels/take steps back...while other teams in division are clearly bolstering their lineups.

I just feel like this is the offseason we need to make a push to put the pieces in place to win some playoff games and unless we add some serious pieces, we have a better chance at missing the playoffs all together.

This doesn't have much to do with day 1 free agency as it does the fact there has been no movement to try and create cap space by restructuring deals, no interest in the affordable signings and we let 3 quality OL walk in a year a division for is bolstering their pass rush and coverage units.

Just feels just like 2004, so far anyway.

Anyone else feel this way?

All years feel the same at this point.

Maybe you have to go poopy.

This.

Jesus ****ing Christ it's the 2nd day of free agency. Can we at least wait until after the draft for this shit?

The broncos just splurged on a CB that has missed 25 games in the last 3 years. They massively overpaid.

Oh no they suck again...

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You guys drive me nuts.

I know, I know, free agency is like Christmas and you little boys are upset that while Bobby down the street (the broncos) got a huge gift (Talib) Santa brought you a pack of gum (Zombo). What you realize is that Bobby's smoking hot mom (Manning) is out screwing around on his Dad (Elway) and before you know it Bobby's like is going to suck because of a broken home.

Here is out reality.

1. The free agent market is out of control. All of these contracts are out of control. Just look at the former Chiefs that were swiped up on day one. Hey, I like some of those guys but not for what they got on the open market.

2. You guys always bitch and moan about wanting to build through the draft, and now that we are you are pissed that we are not signing guys to a 10-mil a year contract that will likely make like difficult in future years.

3. We need a starting guard, a backup guard, a backup tackle, a punt returner, and a free safety. We don't need to break the bank filling those positions. With the draft full of WR talent, I don't know why I'd throw FA dollars at that position when I can get a young guy on a rookie contract to play for me for the next 4-5 years.

4. I want the Chiefs to be smart in free agency, not stupid. Anyone can buy shit, but that doesn't mean it will get you victories. All one needs to do to realize that is look at Cowboys and Redskins.

I want something cool to unwrap too, but perhaps our parents are the type that are going to be more about the thoughtful gifts, instead of expensive gifts.

Don't forget TJ Ward.

Face it, the Broncos got better. We didn't.

And why should we wait until after the draft? So we can try to force ourselves to get excited about a ****ing guard?

As long as we are mediocre, tickets will sell. That is exactly what Hunt wants.

Just ordered my Comp Pick jersey from Asia.

Well let's put it this way. The Broncos are now better than us in the secondary, at WR, at TE, at QB, and at OL. We're probably better on the DL and at LB. However, if they add Demarcus Ware I'd possibly call LB a push. Granted they'll be in cap hell in the near future, but at least they made the Super Bowl and have a good chance at making it again this year.

Let's face it. This organization is simply a bottom feeder of the league and have been for most of it's existence. The Broncos and Saints both have some big contracts including very highly paid quarterbacks. They have still found ways to go out there and sign the Aqib Talib's, T.J. Ward's, and Jairus Byrd's of the NFL. They take chances and both organizations have been to and/or won super bowls in recent years. But hey, we'll continue to play it safe. Dorsey and Reid will probably be fired in 3 or 4 years and we'll start this whole insane process over again. We'll have a bit of hope but will continue to rely on journeymen/castoff quarterbacks. This organization is good at one thing: Losing.

Yes.

This is the reason the Chiefs only make the playoffs every 4-5 years now.

The Chiefs have limited salary cap space, but so does Denver (they had less cap room than the Chiefs) and they just signed the best available CB in the free agency market.

If ALL contracts are "out of control" then by definition, you're measuring against an already obsolete baseline. The cap is going up. A LOT. Contracts are going to go up. It's basic cause and effect.

We spent the first overall pick on a right tackle. We traded away two 2nd round picks for a 30-year old QB. We gave contracts to aging players like Dwayne Bowe. Would I PREFER to build through the draft? Sure. But first and foremost, I'd like to see some CONSISTENCY in their approach.

So you're going to draft that starting guard then? So much for building through the draft. The picking are already getting slim in free agency when you compare what is available to what our needs are.

Being judicious with money is smart. Doing nothing and letting whole groups of players walk is not.

They also got worse. Decker leaving is a big deal as well as their starting guard.

They don't have a legit RB. Who are their other DB's? Who are their LB's?

Von Miller and Chris Harris tore their ACL's less than 2 months ago. They will be lucky to be at full speed by the end of the season. Those are huge losses. They really didn't get better in the grand scheme of things IMO.

They didn't miss Ryan Clady, they won't miss Beadles.

They had shit RBs and DBs last year and made it to the Super Bowl.

Hope in one hand, shit in the other...

I never said that we shouldn't sign any players in free agency. So no, I don't think it would be wise to get our starting guard in the draft, unless our options on the market are total crap. Again, be smart in free agency. I think its important for them to ink a FS in free agency. I'd be happy with Clemons. I think they can find a solid guard to plug into the line. My point is we don't have tons glaring needs, so don't freak out and go wild that its Super Bowl or bust in 2014.

Oh, and isn't it about time for you to get over Alex Smith. For the love of God, I just happy we have a legit QB. I worry about those of you continue to bitch about the two draft picks we gave up for him. I better stop there, the analogy I want to use could get me in trouble. What's done is done.

I didn't say any of those things FYI :)

I can't wait until next offseason when the Broncos choke again and Demaryius Thomas and Von Miller want top 5 money, Welker is a also a free agent.

They're going to be so ****ed. It's either clean house to be able to afford those two or let them go. Either way they're losing very important players next year.

So I guess you've missed the 100 or so posts where I've praised Alex Smith and used words like "nails", "clutch", etc.?

The point is, if you're going to trade picks for players, you have to REINFORCE that approach because you're absolutely playing for NOW.

The two draft picks we gave up for him represent a problem if this regime isn't CONSISTENT in its approach. You can't "build through the draft" if you don't have any ****ing draft picks.

I'm pretty sure Reid and Dorsey know what they're doing. If you stop and think about it, how many really big names and multi-million dollar players did the Eagles have during Reid's tenure?
The same could be asked about the Packers.
They both believe in piecing the team together via the draft and that's what they're doing.
It's not like Denver's "win right now, we'll suck when the cap hits" mentality. They have a year, maybe two before Manning retires. They're on the ****ing clock, the chiefs aren't. They're trying to build a dynasty while Denver will be 3-13 in a few years.

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Everybody said they were ****ed when they signed Manning. He wouldn't last 6 games they said. They made the playoffs.

Everybody said they were ****ed this past offseason. Defense sucks. They made the Super Bowl.

Dorsey wasn't bluffing when he got here. He's building this through the draft.
It's obvious that he thinks very highly of his first draft to step up and take over.

What happened when they made the SB again? Remind me.

This is a money issue. They are using ALL of their money NOW. Do you disagree that Thomas and Von won't want top 5 money next offseason when their contracts are up? Do you know how the cap works?

Seriously? Seriously?

The Eagles signed Jevon Kearse and Terrell Owens in the SAME OFFSEASON.

At one point, Brett Favre was the highest-paid QB in the league. They traded for him.

Well, except for trading multiple draft picks for a 30-year old QB.

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Hilarious.

This team hasn't won a SINGLE PLAYOFF GAME since Bill Clinton's first term and they want to gloat about the Broncos losing in the SUPER BOWL?

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Yea Denver has won it all.

Well to be fair that's only because of Manning himself. Having Manning can overcome a lot of other deficiencies. Once Manning is gone and some loser like Brock Osweiler is the QB and they're still in cap hell then things aren't going to be so pretty around there.

Did I say that?

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You seem to be the one sucking their dicks. They have major problems and got lucky that the Pats were completely depleted w injuries.

They are nowhere near as good as Seattle even with their additions.

And if they win a Super Bowl, who ****ing cares?

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Who is comparing them to Seattle?

This is a CHIEFS message board. We're comparing them to the CHIEFS.

Oh wait, there's no comparison.

His first draft ****ing sucked, so it's pretty clear to me that he's a ****ing idiot.

They are a hated division rival.

You talk shit on your hated rivals, regardless.

No disagreement here.

When you talk shit on a team that has had INFINITELY more postseason success than yours, it makes you look REALLY stupid.

I don't have a problem with what Denver is trying to do.

All of their eggs are in one large basket.

The problem I see is defense isn't the reason they lost the SB.

Their offense isn't going to get better. They are probably going to lose Decker.

Loading up in FA for a SB run just doesn't work.

Nobody can guarantee that it will work.

But at least you know EXACTLY what their plan is.

That's the biggest problem with the Chiefs. You have no idea what they're trying to do. There's no consistency in what they're doing.

No it doesn't. This is football. It's a million miles away from everyday reality.

I'll always talk shit on Denver. It's easy. I loathe them.

By the same token, I wouldn't do that to a person doing better than me.

That would make me an asshole.

And look stupid.

It depends really. The goal is always the same, neither team has hit the goal of winning the SB since Manning went to Denver or the previous 9 or 10 years for that matter.

The expectations are different though too. You pay Manning $18MM a year for 1 thing and that's a SB trophy.

Yea they got there and then they got humiliated.Good for them. They still haven't met their goal.

We got to the playoffs and blew a huge lead which is embarrassing as hell. We didn't hit our goal either.

In the grand scheme of things both teams came close but fell short of the milestone they are looking for.

I still think we have a shot to win the division next year. We will see.

Real perspective here. :clap:

Bellichek does not let players get away who are really worth their salt.

Really? You know this after 1 season with Reid and Dorsey in charge?

Now you are going to try to say that it doesn't matter who the GM and coach are right? That somehow what has happened in the previous 50 years of the franchise effects what the new guys in charge now do right?

Clark has told them they are only allowed to do X and X only right?

Pfffttt.

The irony of all this is you are supporting a team (Broncos) who are doing exactly what the Chiefs have always done in the past. Get another teams QB and then load up short term and hope it pays off.

So as long as it's fantasy, it's ok to act like a complete and total loser?

Do you LARP too?

Only time will tell.

Its just football stuff. It's not real.


LARP?

One team has gotten SIGNIFICANTLY closer to that goal, though. That matters. A LOT actually.

But they have the confidence to know they're at least close.

And in the process, we had an HISTORIC collapse. We didn't lose, we re-wrote history. Inspiring.

Both team came close? Pass that pipe, dude.

I think I'd rep all htismage all day if I could but it won't let me.

Dorsey and Reid traded two 2nd round draft picks for Alex Smith. They were very active in free agency. And used the draft to fill IMMEDIATE needs.

Now in year 2, they're doing the EXACT opposite.

Sorry if that's not a problem for you. For reasonable people, it doesn't add up.

Pure garbage. The fact that you think this is "supporting the Broncos" tells me everything I need to know.

It could be '04, '07 or '11.

Restructuring deals just screws you later. The bottom line is the Chiefs just don't have a lot of money right now.

I totally agree.

Strongest draft in 10 years. You can get I pace players in rd 1, 3 and 4.

Trade down, acquire more picks. Get good players. Profit.

A. - You don't know what they are doing. Who says they aren't going to use the draft for immediate needs? You already know who they are drafting? FFS. Free agency wise there really isn't any reasonable player we had to have we missed out on. Another $9MM a year on a safety is asinine.

B. - If you aren't slobbing a big Bronco dick today I don't know what you are doing.

Implying your thought process is perfectly reasonable is hilarious.

On top of all that, you don't handle every off season the same because needs, $$, the draft talent, and FA talent are different every single year.

Goddamn some of you are just ridiculous and aren't happy unless you are bitching and moaning.

And we could have gotten a top tier starter in round 2, too.

We're not trading down.

This isn't Madden.

They don't have a 2nd round pick. They can't build through the draft without draft picks. That's basic fundamental logic.

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Yes that one 2nd round pick this year means we are ****ed.

You are on some kind of roll today dude.

Who are you so fried we didn't sign or keep?

I have not once said we're ****ed. NOT ONCE. Stop confusing me with the people that are screaming "cheap!" from the top of the mountain.

I'm not fried at all.

I don't understand the logic in doing what they did last year and following it up with the exact opposite approach.

We can't even field a complete offensive line at this point. That doesn't bother you after everything they spent to get Alex Smith?

The Chiefs are getting a lot of players back this year. Kelce and Commings will make big contributions IMO.

Fisher and Catapano were told to put on weight and get stronger this offseason. They are obviously confident in our draft picks and think they will make a difference.

Time to find out if they were right

Again, this is pure hope. I can totally understand why you would feel that way, but surely you can understand why some of us don't. Right?

Correction. Kelce and Commings HAVE to make big contributions. If they don't....it ends up being a double fail because not only did the draft picks suck...but they did nothing to provide insurance in case they did.

Shouldn't the approach change when the situation changes? Last year they needed a QB. They needed better players than Pioli's two win shitheap. And they had the cap room to get it done. They clearly wanted to overhaul the roster. More than half of the final 53 players were Dorsey/Reid additions.

None of that is true today. It seems logical that their approach would be different now.

Dorsey sure seems to have a lot of confidence in these guys bc he's not panicking right now.

I still don't see why people are worried about the Broncos? Talib has missed 25 games in his last 3 years, Ware is worn down and it showed last year, Von and Harris were their best D players at LB and DB last year and both sustained a huge injury.

It seems like Denver is hoping for a lot on their side.

I really hate this argument of "we're building for the future because Denver has Peyton Manning". There are ALWAYS going to be strong teams every year. Holding off and waiting until next season because Manning is there, should get you fired.

Again, it seems like our brass feel like they will make a difference

I don't get the panic behind what Denver's done at all.
How often does a "dream team" win a championship in any pro sport?

The only thing that bugged me about what they did yesterday was getting Ward for $5.5m.
THAT stung.

They aren't doing this at all. They aren't scared of Manning. We lost to them them by 17 points combined in 2 games last year

Be adjusted? Sure. Do a complete 180? Um, that's the anthesis of a "plan".

Who is worried about the Broncos?

They were already better than us, and they just got better.

I'm not "scared" of anything.

A loss is a loss.

Those games weren't ever really in question. The final scores weren't indicative of how the games actually played out.

I actually think we match up better with their offense now. Moreno killed us all the time and he's gone. Decker was the one constantly gave us fits last year and he's gone.

And they STILL can't stop the run.

Sorry, but until the Chiefs actually show they can hang with the Broncos, I'm not gonna believe it.

They're gonna have to play some games before I even begin to think about it.

And you know this....how?

Damn it, I've been feeling the same way. Hearing someone else state it just solidifies it.

We over-achieved with a weak schedule last year. This year the schedule is a lot tougher and it doesn't feel like we're making any positive changes to the team and combine that with the attrition, I think we underwhelm this year.

But if they have that 2nd, they would have no QB.
How does that Math not compute in your head?
You can't trade ANY picks for players or sign ANY FAs if you build through the draft?
That's just Stupid. Period.

Dorsey said at the end of last years offseason, they would not do that again , most likely. I think he meant be so active in FA and waiver wire.

Somebody can't grasp a hold of the fact that when today ends, there's actually a TOMORROW.

So he immediately felt that they're approach was flawed. Either that or they succumbed to short-term thinking.

But we're supposed to give them a couple of years to settle in.

It's dumb to say they're being inconsistent. You have on offseason to go on, one they said was not going to be the norm.