Rishaw Johnson penciled in as RG starter
 

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The Chiefs have penciled in Rishaw Johnson as their starting right guard.

Signed off Kansas City's practice squad last September, Johnson showed promise in a Week 17 spot start against San Diego. The Seahawks were also high on Johnson at one point during his 2012 undrafted rookie season. The Chiefs have a ton of holes to fill on the offensive line after losing key guards Geoff Schwartz and Jon Asamoah, as well at left tackle Branden Albert in free agency.

How about drafting a G in the 3rd or 4th rounds? Thanks.

Fisher - Allen - Hudson - Johnson - Stephenson

I would rather give him a shot than piss away a high draft pick

We can do that any time. I'd rather have a player there with NFL and team experience (even if it's very very little) than a rookie.

Also, our last two attempts at doing that (Asamoah and Allen) have been pretty awful. Let's try a different strategy and spend those 3rd and 4th rounders on something more valuable.

Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71 1h

Reid says he is good with the T position. Reid says they kept a load of OL on the roster. In case something like this off-season happened.

smokescreen?

RIP Alex Smith

That's pretty much where I'm at.

Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71 11m

Alex Smith says he isn't worried about Eric Fisher protecting his blind side.

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 9m

Smith on his backup OL vs San Diego: “To put it bluntly, I thought they beat up on a playoff team."

Fisher - Hudson - Kush - Johnson - Stephenson

:clap: This!

DESTROYER OF WORLDS

My god, no. You mean they intend on starting a player that was developed instead of drafted on the first day?

I am appalled! Scandalized!

:clap:

Bad ass..... Chargers did actually win a playoff game.

Why do people think Kush can be a starter?
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Don't know if it's "think" as much as it's "hope."

I have no ****ing idea...

Why not?

We drafted him in the 6th round... pick #170 in the draft. He started one game, and played pretty well. And he has a full offseason to learn and be in the weight program.

Instead, you want to draft some mid round player to play at guard.

IMO, move Hudson back to his original position, and let the guy you draftd to play center last year play center. :shrug:

He started that 1 game in San Diego just like Rishaw.

Somebody somewhere probably said something about him in the preseason. That's all the hype train needs.

The Kush thing is about as crazy to me as the Powe thing.

Center is his original position as far as the NFL is concerned. I believe that there are a few positions in the NFL that you simply don't **** with. Center is one of them. Hudson was projected as a center coming out of the draft. He's been playing C since he's been in the league, let him continue to develop there. God knows the Chiefs have already shuffled the line enough this season, swapping in some noob center sure as **** won't help.

So then why even have a draft past the 3rd or 4th round, if you automatically think guys like Kush can't play?

:clap:

It's not that i think he can't play, it's whether or not we've seen him do well enough to supplant a starter who's already proven that he CAN play. Kush hasn't done dick, yet he's been talked about since TC last season. Hell, i can still remember some posters suggesting that Kush would replace Hudson by mid-season. So far, he's just another Powe. A CP favorite only because he's not the current starter.

He has played a little LG in the NFL in case you forgot...

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/08/2...t-thou-rodney/

Hudson arrived as a second round pick in the 2011 NFL Draft and played 130 snaps in his rookie season – the equivalent of about two full games – but all at left guard. He did get to learn from the great Casey Wiegmann however, with the hope that Hudson would take over for Wiegmann in 2012. With Wiegmann in fact, retiring in 2012, Hudson was primed to take over. He lasted all of one game, breaking his left leg in the second game of the season against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Kush played well enough at SD to justify some hope, he looked both strong and quick, he looked like a real mauler at times.

For me atleast, it has nothing to do with "welp, he isn't the starter".

This

Just thought you should know that you lost your baby when you threw out your bathwater

:spock:

physicality and strength would be an even bigger issue for him at guard than it is at center.

Chas Alecxih is going to have a tough time making the final roster.

WELL WHY EVEN SIGN ANY UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS AT ALL IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO START THEM??????

Im more concerned with Allen. Dude is so inconsistent. At any rate, I bet the O-line is gonna struggle big time. Hard to bet on all the projected starters are going to work out.

Who knows. By the end of last season, the offense was clicking regardless of who was playing O-line.

I'll never forget how amazed at the difference I was when Schwartz stepped in, the difference was immediate... one guy changed the entire complexion of that group.

I wonder if Kush will get a chance to start as well.

AFAIC, putting Kush at center and kicking Hudson over may well be the best move, either that or leaving Allen in at LG because of his size.

As Smith himself said, he thought the backup line beat up on the Chargers and its my strong opinion that Kush was very big part of that, he was driving and mauling guys most of that game and getting to the second level consistently... I remember it clearly, never once have I seen Hudson look that physical.

Sure, Kush DID look lost 3-4 times... but first game in? I thought he looked excellent.

I really hated to see him go.

Ditto, RM.

Kush is clearly being groomed to be the starting center. No doubt in my mind they are letting Hudson walk after this year. All the money is going to more important players/positions. Some shit team will overpay for Hudson and price the Chiefs out very quickly.

I remember seeing and reading a nice breakdown of the SD game that showed Kush as the fastest linemen to get set up and the fastest to move when pulling. The kid is pretty damn fast for a center, too.

It's mostly hope, but I remember how impressed I was from the breakdown. Let me see if I can find it...

As soon as we put in our backups the offense started rolling... I agree. I don't remember what it was exactly but I remember thinking I knew that day. It might have been Stephenson and another guy

Stephenson and Schwartz I believe.

Rishaw Johnson is a bum
draft a real ****ing lineman

we are going to be skull****ed by teams with above average DLs

So the entire NFC West is going to destroy our OL. So will the Jets and so will Buffalo. Over and under on sacks in those games? I say we're looking at an average of about 4 with our current roster.

the sad thing is no one believes you
"TRUE FANS"
you're right though
we are ****ED

Draft Johnny manziel and you don't need no stinkin OL

I hope I'm wrong, but there's too many holes left to be filled for me to think this team wins more than 7 or 8 games this year. It'd be nice to get the playoff win monkey off our back, but I see us taking a step back.

No, the sad thing is when non "true fans" spend 5 years bagging on the low importance of an o-line, then are the first to lead the charge on how ****ed we are because we're not focusing enough on it.

No elite QB
Average line (at best)
One WR (or none if you believe the dirtbag Alex Smith homers who hate Bowe)
No TE

Not a recipe for success.

In fact that is a recipe for "how ****ed are we?"

Someone PLEASE respond to this post with some bullshit about how Alex Smith is elite or AJ Jenkins is going to break out or some piece of shit tight end is going to crap gold this year.

Hey, at least now Bowe has a personal trainer and nutritionist.

If we are talking longer-term, if this leads to a strategy where we stop wasting high picks and big money on offensive linemen and decide to trust guys like Rishaw Johnson to play non-critical roles, then awesome. But it doesn't help when flip floppers on CP bitch about the Chiefs paying too much attention to the position, then bitch when the team decides to test a young guy out.

We are basically going with a bunch of unproven ballsacks on the OL this year. That's worthy of bitching, sorry.

So then we should spend millions or high draft picks on proven starters?

Anyone else is going to be unproven. Sorry, these are low priority positions. I don't care if we play unproven guys if it means saving money for plyamakers.

There is a happy medium between Rishaw ****ing Johnson and Eric Fisher.

I'd be fine with spending a 3rd on a guard. Or even a 2nd on an OT. I loved the Geoff Schwartz signing. I would have given money to our stud LT who left.

But without fail, the Chiefs find ways to piss me off.

So, obviously you feel that a guard is the only choice in rd one since we'll have 3 "unproven ballsacks" this year.

I would have grabbed one in free agency or the middle rounds of the draft.

There isn't a single person that has dismissed the importance of the O-Line, except for your dumb ass.

Every one of the posters that you are suggesting does only dismisses the idea that you must spend high draft picks on them every ****ing year.

You are doing what you always do to prop up your side of a debate, which is over stating the arguments of the opposite side.

It's stupid and dishonest.

I don't like the way it has shaken out this offseason either but now you go with what you got, draft one in rd 1 or get just as "iffy" a proposition by getting a guard later. I haven't said much simply because I can't make up my mind which way I would go.

And you are doing what you always do, which is to undersell how exaggerated your side of the debate has been.

Give me a ****ing break. If one side believes you shouldn't burn high draft picks on linemen (and I'm one of them), then that means you don't think the position is important. If one side believes linemen aren't playmakers or difference makers (and I'm one of them), then that means you don't think the position is important.

If you truly believe in what you're saying, then you should have no hesitation to give a guy like Rishaw Jackson, Eric Kush, or Rokevius Watkins a shot at starting at Guard. Instead, we're going to hear people bitch about not paying $5M for a Guard or spending $9M for a Left Tackle.

So now a third-round prospect, or a FA with starting experience is equal to some undrafted DII jagoff with the ****ing name "Rishaw."

Get ****ed.

ROFL
So again… you're pissed because we're not starting a high draft pick or a guy who was paid $5M.

So please… tell me, if we are so insistent that you don't to spend big money and high draft picks on a Guard, then why the **** are we freaking out about trying out a Guard who isn't paid much and wasn't drafted high? Especially a guy who's been on our roster for a full year so we know what we have in him?

$5m isn't big money to me.

And spending a third round pick would be acceptable.

Your argument is flimsy.

The issue I have is that the Chiefs have put themselves in the same position you're in. It was totally avoidable because they had a guy on the roster that they should have re-signed which required less risk. The more questions you have going into a season, the less chance you have that they all work out. You minimize your risk when you can so that you're able to hedge your bets.

Then put your money where your mouth is. Would you be pissed if the Chiefs use a 3rd round pick in this year's draft on a Guard? I would NOT be a fan of it.

You can find a good starting guard in the third. That's where Will Shields was picked.

It's looking like this is a big need for us now, so I'd also be fine with spending a 2nd, since we're picking low anyway.

Depends who is there of course. If we pick a G over a stud WR or QB prospect that's stupidity.

I would rather take LOTS of low-cost, high reward risks on safe positions like Guard and Center, and take big risks on high draft pick, highly paid positions that are difference makers like QB or pass rusher.

Playing it safe on safe players by overpaying or over drafting gives you less shots at getting difference makers. If we fail with Rishaw Johnson, so what? Keep drafting 6th rounders and keep giving these guys shots.

You can find good starting Guards with 6th rounders and undrafted picks too. More likely than most positions on the field. The Chiefs can keep starting Hudson and Allen and see no drop off. They have Rokevius Watkins, Eric Kush, and Rishaw Johnson competing for one spot to replace a pretty average starter just to put this team at parity with last year. These are all guys Reid saw for a full year and thought good enough to keep around.

Worst case scenario, you're not great at Guard. Oh well.

:facepalm: Gotta find a balance and pay those who deserve it. Your way involves too many risks. You also are banking on hitting on ALL draft picks, which is totally unrealistic. So I'm not surprised why you choose this course as well. Glad you're not GM.

Sure. If this works out power to our GM/HC. If not, they're dumbasses.

We have absolutely 0 proven talent on our OL right now. I guess Hudson is proven to be very average. Other than that it's huh what the **** jesus ****ing christ ****ing dinosaurs. That's scary.

Wrong. Worse case is you're bad at BOTH guard positions, cuz Allen is not good. Now you have a BIG problem. You're thinking in a void rather in terms of the sum of the parts.

BTW, Pioli is still ****ing this team. Allen and Asamoah were some god damn shitty picks, that's for sure now.

Eat the corn nuggets out of my feces, Direckshun.

No, I am not. A well run team can use the bottom of the draft to fill in your non difference makers like guard. Then aggressively use the draft and money to find difference makers. I'd rather put all my money on five playmakers then spread the same money for 10 role players.

If you can't find difference makers in the draft, spend. If you can't find role players with low draft picks keep drafting and testing and experimenting until you find a quality starter.

So, you don't want to draft them high, and "waste the picks". You also don't have confidence in anyone that is drafted low and developed. Proven talent on the line is looking to GET PAID, and at least on paper, the Chiefs don't have a ton of room in the cap with impact players coming up for extension very soon. How else do you fill holes in the line?

2nd, 3rd, 4th round

cheap veteran FA

your arguments suck

I didn't offer an argument... I was trying to cliff-notes your argument so I could better understand it. You don't consider a 2nd (which the Chiefs don't have this year) a high pick? 3rd or 4th... Do we know that adding Rishaw means that we won't take an OL in the 3rd or 4th rounds? We signed Williams and Dressler too... does that indicate that we aren't going to pick up a WR in the draft?

The only thing that we know for sure is that they didn't think Albert, Schwartz and Asamoah were worth what they received on the FA market - either because they think they know what they have in the ranks behind those guys, or they believe they can get what they need in the draft.