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The Franchise 05-06-2014 09:24 AM

Chiefs open to trading Flowers
 
Dan Pompei of Bleacher Report reports the Chiefs "are believed to be willing to deal" CB Brandon Flowers.

Flowers struggled mightily in DC Bob Sutton's press-man scheme last season, grading out as a bottom-15 cover corner at Pro Football Focus. He allowed a 66.7 percent completion rate, 846 yards, and four touchdowns in his coverage, while QBs had a 103.9 rating throwing at him. Flowers has three years left on a six-year, $49.35 million deal and may be difficult to move. At 5-foot-9 and 187 pounds, he's best suited to fill the slot role. He somehow made the Pro Bowl last season.

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Stewie 05-06-2014 09:25 AM

I'm pretty sure any team will trade nearly any player if the deal is right.

BlackHelicopters 05-06-2014 09:26 AM

And Berry too

oldandslow 05-06-2014 09:27 AM

Sounds to me like the Chiefs just waited a year to begin the rebuild.

Hunt tells Dorsey to get Smith, get folks back to the stadium, and then begin again.

WhawhaWhat 05-06-2014 09:29 AM

Sell low.

Prison Bitch 05-06-2014 09:36 AM

Nobody wants that turd. ESP when he pussed out vs Indy with that supposed "concussion"

Halfcan 05-06-2014 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10604828)
Nobody wants that turd. ESP when he pussed out vs Indy with that supposed "concussion"

This! It would be nice to dump his contract though.

Chiefs=Champions 05-06-2014 09:41 AM

And yet, when he went out of the playoff game, our defense went to shit...

Deberg_1990 05-06-2014 09:42 AM

I'd be willing to deal Succop.
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TEX 05-06-2014 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldandslow (Post 10604814)
Sounds to me like the Chiefs just waited a year to begin the rebuild.

Hunt tells Dorsey to get Smith, get folks back to the stadium, and then begin again.

That's EXACTLY what happened. Makes NO SENSE to give up 2 #2's for Smith in the process. If Flowers does not get injured against the Colts, KC wins that game regardless of all the other weird stuff that happened.

The deal is though, any team will trade any player this time of year if the deal is too good to pass up.

In58men 05-06-2014 09:45 AM

Bleacherreport is a joke

Mike in SW-MO 05-06-2014 09:48 AM

Which is lower? Poop thread or Bleacher Report thread.

Move the DAMN Draft back to April.

Eleazar 05-06-2014 09:50 AM

Bleacher report is nonsense, but Flowers seems ill-suited to Sutton's defense.

TEX 05-06-2014 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10604837)
I'd be willing to deal Succop.
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Takes two to deal though...

rico 05-06-2014 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldandslow (Post 10604814)
Sounds to me like the Chiefs just waited a year to begin the rebuild.

Hunt tells Dorsey to get Smith, get folks back to the stadium, and then begin again.

Yup.

Prison Bitch 05-06-2014 09:52 AM

Wait, the Chiefs are rebuilding again?

Steron 05-06-2014 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10604862)
Wait, the Chiefs are still rebuilding.

FYP

loochy 05-06-2014 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10604854)
Bleacher report is nonsense, but competent defenders Flowers seems ill-suited to Sutton's defense.


FYP

SAUTO 05-06-2014 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10604828)
Nobody wants that turd. ESP when he pussed out vs Indy with that supposed "concussion"

notice the only person agreeing with you is halfwit?

RealSNR 05-06-2014 10:36 AM

I'd be okay with trading Flowers. He's going to be a cap casualty next year regardless of how you feel about him as a player.

I'm probably smoking crack here, but I'd love to get a 3rd out of him.

BigMeatballDave 05-06-2014 10:37 AM

I'd say a 4th is more realistic.

The Franchise 05-06-2014 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10604965)
I'd be okay with trading Flowers. He's going to be a cap casualty next year regardless of how you feel about him as a player.

I'm probably smoking crack here, but I'd love to get a 3rd out of him.

I'd be ok with it. You can let Parker and Owens fight it out in TC for the NB spot.

keg in kc 05-06-2014 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10604828)
Nobody wants that turd. ESP when he pussed out vs Indy with that supposed "concussion"

Yeah, Jamaal Charles too. I can't believe they didn't just play through it.

Moron.

BigMeatballDave 05-06-2014 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10604828)
Nobody wants that turd. ESP when he pussed out vs Indy with that supposed "concussion"

Dumb as ****.

bowener 05-06-2014 10:39 AM

Trade him. He is soon to be passed his prime. Once he loses the little speed he already possesses, it will go down hill quickly for him. Not to mention the NFL trending toward massive WRs.

RealSNR 05-06-2014 10:43 AM

Dorsey already traded Arenas for our awesome FB. I imagine he'll trade Flowers for our new RG.

Seriously, as rare as player-for-player trades are in the NFL, Dorsey made TWO of them last offseason. That's just plain weird.

They've both been kind of successful, so if a deal is reached for Flowers, I'm very curious in what he's going to ask for. It might be another player exchange.

RunKC 05-06-2014 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10604965)
I'd be okay with trading Flowers. He's going to be a cap casualty next year regardless of how you feel about him as a player.

I'm probably smoking crack here, but I'd love to get a 3rd out of him.

Hell a 4th would even be awesome. This is the draft to do this. There's gonna be some 3rd rd caliber players, maybe even a 2nd, sitting there in rd 4.

That trade could get us Christian jones or telvin smith

King_Chief_Fan 05-06-2014 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10604965)
I'd be okay with trading Flowers. He's going to be a cap casualty next year regardless of how you feel about him as a player.

I'm probably smoking crack here, but I'd love to get a 3rd out of him.

This kind of knock on the guy makes it difficult to trade him:

Flowers struggled mightily in DC Bob Sutton's press-man scheme last season, grading out as a bottom-15 cover corner at Pro Football Focus. He allowed a 66.7 percent completion rate, 846 yards, and four touchdowns in his coverage, while QBs had a 103.9 rating throwing at him. Flowers has three years left on a six-year, $49.35 million deal and may be difficult to move. At 5-foot-9 and 187 pounds, he's best suited to fill the slot role. He somehow made the Pro Bowl last season.

The Franchise 05-06-2014 11:18 AM

Call up the Bucs and see if you can get a 3rd for him. Lovie Smith loves him some Zone CBs.

Rasputin 05-06-2014 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10604985)
Dorsey already traded Arenas for our awesome FB. I imagine he'll trade Flowers for our new RG.

Seriously, as rare as player-for-player trades are in the NFL, Dorsey made TWO of them last offseason. That's just plain weird.

They've both been kind of successful, so if a deal is reached for Flowers, I'm very curious in what he's going to ask for. It might be another player exchange.


Team from owner says they will build the team through the draft.

What the team does is trades players they drafted or draft picks for other teams players.

Mr. Laz 05-06-2014 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldandslow (Post 10604814)
Sounds to me like the Chiefs just waited a year to begin the rebuild.

Hunt tells Dorsey to get Smith, get folks back to the stadium, and then begin again.

yep, as soon as the Chiefs bailed on free agency this year it seemed like it was a rebuild. Hunt wanted to appease the masses, now we are rebuilding. That philosophy could also lead the chiefs to draft a QB this year and just let Alex Smith play out his contract.

ptlyon 05-06-2014 11:34 AM

Everyone talks about this rebuilding. Rebuilding from what exactly?

Jerm 05-06-2014 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldandslow (Post 10604814)
Sounds to me like the Chiefs just waited a year to begin the rebuild.

Hunt tells Dorsey to get Smith, get folks back to the stadium, and then begin again.

If that's the case, time to deal Smith too and draft a QB.

keg in kc 05-06-2014 11:36 AM

Difficult to rebuild with 6 draft picks and no second. They're apparently content continuing to build on the pieces collected last year. Hence the lack of major free agency moves. They have to be expecting contributions from players already on the roster.

ptlyon 05-06-2014 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 10605060)
If that's the case, time to deal Smith too and draft a QB.

He may need scotch for the liquor cabinet

Mr. Laz 05-06-2014 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 10605058)
Everyone talks about this rebuilding. Rebuilding from what exactly?

rebuilding to get their players for their system

Last year was exactly what they wanted ... stop the bleeding and get a PR boost. Now they begin their 5-year plan in earnest.

ptlyon 05-06-2014 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10605068)
rebuilding to get their players for their system

Last year was exactly what they wanted ... stop the bleeding and get a PR boost. Now they begin their 5-year plan in earnest.

Doesn't the term rebuilding indicate you once already had something built?

BigMeatballDave 05-06-2014 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 10605095)
Doesn't the term rebuilding indicate you once already had something built?

Hair-splitting

George Liquor 05-06-2014 01:02 PM

5 year plan?

God damn it.

saphojunkie 05-06-2014 01:11 PM

Rebuilding is a ****ing myth.

Step one: Get a QB.
Step two: You're ****ing done.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 05-06-2014 01:16 PM

His stock is low right now. Add in his salary and you'd be lucky to get more than a 5th out of him.

Dayze 05-06-2014 01:55 PM

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/49489538.jpg

BryanBusby 05-06-2014 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10605349)
Rebuilding is a ****ing myth.

Step one: Get a QB.
Step two: You're ****ing done.

Rebuilding isn't entirely a myth, but it's unnecessary unless you reerunedly put yourself into a huge hole like Al Davis did in his final years.

The Chiefs are nowhere near that stage.

Pasta Little Brioni 05-06-2014 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10604828)
Nobody wants that turd. ESP when he pussed out vs Indy with that supposed "concussion"

You are a joke

OldSchool 05-06-2014 03:11 PM

Not surprised, he sucked last year.

Mojo Jojo 05-06-2014 03:42 PM

If someone will give a 4th pull the trigger.

BigCatDaddy 05-06-2014 03:48 PM

I'd rather trade Sutton.

Jimmya 05-06-2014 03:52 PM

1000% for trading Sutton! Problem is that NOBODY would take him.

DTLB58 05-06-2014 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowener (Post 10604977)
Trade him. He is soon to be passed his prime. Once he loses the little speed he already possesses, it will go down hill quickly for him. Not to mention the NFL trending toward massive WRs.

I wrote a post about this probably two years ago already about Flowers and this trend. Someone tweeted out earlier when this news came out that Flowers would be great in Tampa to help cover Julio Jones ROFL

Because he did so great when he went up against Dez, Megatron, insert Donkies player.

notorious 05-06-2014 04:08 PM

God Damnit.


Another wasted talent at his peak by Pioli.

Iconic 05-06-2014 04:11 PM

Man if we can get a 2nd rounder out of him and draft a replacement.... This would be amazing.

notorious 05-06-2014 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 10605632)
Man if we can get a 2nd rounder out of him and draft a replacement.... This would be amazing.

Jizz worthy.


Don't hold your breath.

Iconic 05-06-2014 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10605635)
Jizz worthy.


Don't hold your breath.

Yeah I'm 99% sure we aren't doing anything with him. He'll probably just be a cap casualty next year.

Easy 6 05-06-2014 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10605030)
Call up the Bucs and see if you can get a 3rd for him. Lovie Smith loves him some Zone CBs.

I can dig that, yes, solid idea.

Flowers has been nothing but steady on and off the field for us, it hasn't gone unnoticed, but I would be ok with a trade no lower than 4, regardless of his value in the playoff game... the backfield needs to get bigger and faster.

SeeingRed 05-06-2014 05:09 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...randon-flowers

but what would we get?

OldSchool 05-06-2014 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeeingRed (Post 10605718)

With his price tag? A 6th at best.

Jimmya 05-06-2014 05:14 PM

A 6 sounds about right.

SeeingRed 05-06-2014 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10605721)
With his price tag? A 6th at best.

:eek: prob not worth it then :harumph:

TEX 05-06-2014 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 10605643)
Yeah I'm 99% sure we aren't doing anything with him. He'll probably just be a cap casualty next year.

Agreed.

TEX 05-06-2014 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 10605095)
Doesn't the term rebuilding indicate you once already had something built?

Yes, in 1969-70.

Bootlegged 05-06-2014 06:31 PM

If Kyle Fuller is there, Chiefs take him with first pick. No way Dorsey watched that Indy game and stands pat with our shitty secondary.

philfree 05-06-2014 06:40 PM

FTD Florist! Don't be afraid to send them Flowers.

He's been a good Chief but he's at the point that trading him is an option if he won't take a pay cut.

BossChief 05-06-2014 06:56 PM

When Flowers is healthy, the guy is a top ten corner in the nfl.

The problem last year was he wasn't healthy all year and our safeties were terrible.

BossChief 05-06-2014 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bootlegged (Post 10605816)
If Kyle Fuller is there, Chiefs take him with first pick. No way Dorsey watched that Indy game and stands pat with our shitty secondary.

Dunta and Kendrick are gone.

Flowers was a stud in that game until the concussion.

Ragged Robin 05-06-2014 06:59 PM

His and Bowe's contracts are a complete trainwreck. Both are below average starters at this point and are probably on the downside..

Micjones 05-06-2014 07:07 PM

If they can move him, they should.
He's not a good fit for this defense.

Sorter 05-06-2014 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 10605866)
If they can move him, they should.
He's not a good fit for this defense.

I think he's a fine fit when healthy.

The Franchise 05-06-2014 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10605874)
I think he's a fine fit when healthy.

This.

It's more about his contract and staying healthy.

Sorter 05-06-2014 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10605886)
This.

It's more about his contract and staying healthy.

I'd love to replace him with Verrett in the 2nd.


I'm just not sure that's possible or the correct decision (given the compensation to move up).

RippedmyFlesh 05-06-2014 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10605874)
I think he's a fine fit when healthy.

I loved how physical he got with welker . Used the 5 yards perfectly by stopping contact in time to avoid penalty.

Hammock Parties 05-06-2014 07:26 PM

Another one bites the dust. The 2008 draft class will go for absolutely nothing.

All those moments, lost in time...like tears...in the rain.

Micjones 05-06-2014 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10605874)
I think he's a fine fit when healthy.

Flowers has been nagged by injuries since he entered the league.
He's just not a press corner. He's better suited for zone coverage.
That's not an indictment of the guy. He can still play, he's just not playing in a scheme that maximizes his strengths.
We were playing Tampa 2 when he was drafted, no?

Dave Lane 05-06-2014 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10604955)
notice the only person agreeing with you is halfwit?

Turds of a feather...

Coochie liquor 05-06-2014 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 10605896)
I loved how physical he got with welker . Used the 5 yards perfectly by stopping contact in time to avoid penalty.

Yeah that was EPIC!!! He was manhandling him, I lived watching that take place!!

Ragged Robin 05-06-2014 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 10605866)
If they can move him, they should.
He's not a good fit for this defense.

I agree. You don't pay a corner top dollar when his only value on the field is playing the slot, even then he was burnt toast all season and his contract is absolutely absurd. If they could get a 4th or 5th for him they should do it without hesitation.

Mr_Tomahawk 05-07-2014 02:15 PM

Athan:

Warpaint Illustrated‏@ChiefsInsider·3 mins
Heard rumblings #Chiefs have received an offer for CB Brandon Flowers. KC wants a #2 in any deal best offer on the table is a #3. No Bueno!

BryanBusby 05-07-2014 02:16 PM

hahaha like that reeruned yard gnome has any info

silver5liter 05-07-2014 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10605897)
Another one bites the dust. The 2008 draft class will go for absolutely nothing.

All those moments, lost in time...like tears...in the rain.

idk jamaal is pretty cool

RealSNR 05-07-2014 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10607574)
Athan:

Warpaint Illustrated‏@ChiefsInsider·3 mins
Heard rumblings #Chiefs have received an offer for CB Brandon Flowers. KC wants a #2 in any deal best offer on the table is a #3. No Bueno!

Athan's full of shit, obviously.

But let's just say hypothetically that was the case. The Chiefs would be stupid to turn down a 3rd round pick for Flowers. There's no chance in hell anybody spends a 2nd on him, and Flowers is as good as gone next year. They should take the best offer on the table within reason, and if that's a 3rd round pick, so much the better.

OldSchool 05-07-2014 02:19 PM

I'd take a 3rd for him in a heartbeat.


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