Would You Take This Guy At #23?
 

Allen Robinson (Penn State) thoughts? :hmmm:


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04/29/2014 - 2014 NFL Draft Wide Receiver: *Allen Robinson, Penn State, 6-3, 220, 4.60...Fluid athlete for his size with room to get stronger. Deceptive acceleration with sharp cuts to be a dangerous catch-and-go pass catcher. Physical ball-carrier with balance and body strength to shake off defenders and pick up chunks of yards after contact. Has shown return ability. Reset his own school mark in 2012 with 97 catches for 1,432 yards. His combined 174 receptions and 2,445 receiving yards the past two years both rank No. 3 in Big Ten history for consecutive seasons.

Frankly: If there is such a thing as a blue-collar receiver, Robinson is that guy. He knows the whole pro-style pass route tree from experience in Penn State's offense and although he lacks the speed most teams want, he is a big man with enough explosion to go 39 inches in the vertical jump. - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange

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No, but I'll take a QB

:hmmm: oh ya? and nobody else just a QB until 3rd round? what QB would u take?

no

lmao

If cooks, Beckham, and even Lee are all taken by #23 I'm looking at a trade down or new position. No reason to reach with #1 when there will be talent there in the 3rd. I'm just not a big fan of Robinson

6'3" 220 with awesome production.....dealt with situation of being the star of team with all the craziness that went on at Penn State and improved and got better putting up even bigger numbers and re-breaking his own records at Penn State. Best WR out of there in awhile. Isnt a burner but can see him being a solid NFL WR. loaded WR draft class but he is one of the best of the group id say. Worth a look at #23 at least

ya trading down is a good option i agree...might even be able to trade back a few spots and grab him as well

I would be disappointed, but I understand taking a WR. Would rather take Matthews if CP's big 3 are gone

nope

would have been better if this was a poll.

No.

We can get a similar talent in the third.

Would depend on the remaining available players.

1 of the boring but needed improve on the lines in the middle.
OG Xavier Su’a-Filo
OG Joel Bitonio
DT Ra'Shede Hageman

Then in round 3

WR Jared Abbrederis

I'd prefer someone with a little more speed. The kid's a hell of an athlete though. Put up big numbers at Penn State. Runs good routes.

Agreed. I real like this kid. Would be perfectly happy with him at 23. This stuff about he's not worthy of being 23, but rather, would make sense at say 40 is rubbish. No one can assess talent with that degree of accuracy.

As per Robinson himself, I was more impressed with his highlight reels than any other WR this year. The kid is dynamite!

He has real #1 potential. I wouldn't hate it.

I feel like there are three players like this in this draft class. Marqise Lee and Jarvis Landry also have everything you want in a wideout except the speed that will make for a good complement to Bowe. Those guys can flat play the game though. If Lee could keep his ass out of the tub, he'd be my pick at wide receiver. I suspect Beckham and Cooks will both be gone by 23.

I worry that Lee might be a bit fragile, so I'd pass on him. Landry would be ok in the third round. Beckham and Cooks would be okay at 23, but I'd prefer Robinson. Love the size, production, and he sure looks like he plays faster than his 40 time too.

BTW, if you look at the ranking of the Top 250 over at PredictionMachine.com, I believe you'll see Lee ranked as a 3rd round pick. It's a VERY different ranking system, but kind of interesting. FWIW.

Omg too funny!! You're killing me smalls....

This

No, only Dee Ford is acceptable for that pick.

Allen Robinson is basically a Dwayne Bowe type WR without the massive contract and legal trouble

To all those who don't want another high end Bowe-type of WR who can win in contested situations but isn't necessarily a burner, do you think the Bears are upset that they have a younger version of Brandon Marshall on their team in Alshon Jeffrey?

Probably not, but they didn't burn a first round pick in a deep WR draft with plenty of clones of their #1 WR to get a Brandon Marshall clone.

If we are gonna draft a receiver in the first, he better have the speed defenses need to respect.

Does he jump in the air every time he tries to catch a pass like Baldwin?

If so, no.

Still can't believe we burned a first on Baldwin and he didn't amount to shit... I mean cmon'. In hindsight, we should have gotten Wilkerson.

I had high hopes for Baldwin last off season but apparently he wasn't even good enough to make the roster.. then again I wasn't expecting Bowe to shit the bed after his monster contract either. C'est la vie.

We need speed, not a 2nd Dwayne Bowe to line up across from the original.

Many analyst say he is to slow.

Panthers want him at 28 if he falls to them. Sent the brass up to see him this week. He will go in the 1st.

His measurables remind me of Jon Baldwin.

Donnie Avery and AJ Jenkins are both capable of being burners. Speed isn't everything; if it was, then every player who runs a legitimate 4.3 should be tearing it up in this league.

What's more important, by far, is:

1. Strength - The ability to fight through contact and come down with any contested balls. Aggressiveness in going after the ball falls under this category as well.

2. Flexibility - Ability to adjust in mid-air to any passes thrown your way.

3. Focus & Vision - Ability to maintain your focus throughout the process of the catch.

4. Route Running - What's more important than being especially quick and fast is knowing when and how to get open.

5. Burst/quickness - Ability to get in and out of breaks and create initial separation.

You just need adequate speed to be a good and dynamic WR. My threshold is 4.5 or lower.

As far as size goes, your best shot at landing a true #1 is to develop someone who is 6'- 6'4" tall.

This guy will likely be drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round, so no, i wouldn't take him @ 23.

Baldwin taught me something about NFL WR's. Big, strong and the ability to jump doesn't amount to much if you can't get separation. Agility and quickness is what get's NFL Wr's open.

I'll always remember some fan's camp video of Bowe and Baldwin doing a drill. Bowe looked fast, he made a quick cut, had great balance and looked smooth out there. He looked faster than i thought he was. Then Baldwin came up and did the drill right after him and looked gumpy, clumsy and slow.

It made me realize that while Bowe was big, he was agile enough while Baldwin simply wasn't.

When you watch Allen Robinson, his highlight catches are always highly contested. That's a red flag imo. It shows that he doesn't get much separation on the collegiate level.

Go watch Brandin Cooks if you want to see a receiver who can not only separate but also make amazing catches in traffic if he needs to.

Strength is absolutely not number 1. There's plenty of big, strong WR's that don't amount to dick. If you have the ability to get open, then you don't need the strength to push off a DB for a contested ball. How strong do you think DeSean Jackson is?

Agility is number one, easily. Agility and quickness equates to better route running, which equals more separation and better ability to adjust to the ball.

Guys like Calvin Johnson and Fitz aren't just big, but they're also quick and agile.

There are even more small, quick as hell, and fast as hell WRs who fade out of the league. Tell me, what do all of these WRs have in common?

Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Michael Crabtree
Marques Colston
Alshon Jeffrey
Brandon Marshall
AJ Green
Julio Jones
Dez Bryant
Demaryius Thomas
Josh Gordon
Vincent Jackson

Aside from an old Boldin, Colston and Jeffrey (who is a #2) all of them are fast and agile for big wr's, which is the point you are missing. Hell, not even all of the receivers you listed are considered big. Colston happens to be one of the very few big, slow WR's that actually panned out.

Josh Gordon, AJ Green, Crabtree, Jones, Thomas, CJ, Bryant, All of those guys have speed and explosion.

Crabtree is a 4.5 guy, his knock is that he isn't fast. AJ Green is another 4.5 guy. Dez Bryant is another 4.5 guy.

What all of these guys have, and you can add Bowe to the mix, is strength, flexibility, focus/vision, and route running.

Not all of them are especially quick or fast.

I don't care if they're timed at 4.5, those guys play fast due to their agility and explosivness.

AJ Green and Dez Bryant absolutely play faster than their 40 times.

And? What sets them apart from all other WRs in the league? Strength.

:facepalm:

Draft a QB in every round, every year until we get our Aaron Rodgers ....

If Watkins, Cooks, and Beckham are off the board and I am going to take a WR at #23 then it would be Matthews.