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Mr_Tomahawk 05-10-2014 01:17 PM

Oh shit....
 
Who goes?

Bray or Daniels. :(

buddha 05-10-2014 01:17 PM

Bray goes away...

And it's "Daniel"...no "s".

keg in kc 05-10-2014 01:18 PM

Neither would be my guess. But if one has to it's Daniel. Bray showed too much in the pre-season.

KCDC 05-10-2014 01:19 PM

Daniel goes. His salary is too high.

fairladyZ 05-10-2014 01:19 PM

i think daniel goes before bray... to much $$ and bray's had a year to sit in the system and alot cheaper than daniel

Exoter175 05-10-2014 01:19 PM

IF anybody goes, its Chase. Otherwise one of them gets IR.

Hammock Parties 05-10-2014 01:20 PM

**** them both. And Alex.

We bout to roll with this midget from the south.

Ain't got no gold-toof dawg but he a dawg nonetheless. And I gots a feelin' he a brotha inside.

Ultra Peanut 05-10-2014 01:20 PM

I'd rather it be Daniel, but whatevs

BlackHelicopters 05-10-2014 01:21 PM

Bray is gone

hometeam 05-10-2014 01:22 PM

Hopefully Daniel. I like Bray better, and he costs way less.

milkman 05-10-2014 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10619925)
IF anybody goes, its Chase. Otherwise one of them gets IR.

Agreed.

I think jd has it right in the draft thread.

Murray suffered that ACL in November.

Perfect.

You get a chance to keep that vet backup, develop and evaluate Bray, and allow Murray to digest the system from IR.

Hoover 05-10-2014 01:22 PM

Who cares?

I mean really?

Surprised people are not asking: Who's staying Smith or Daniels.

mcaj22 05-10-2014 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10619946)
Agreed.

I think jd has it right in the draft thread.

Murray suffered that ACL in November.

Perfect.

You get a chance to keep that vet backup, develop and evaluate Bray, and allow Murray to digest the system from IR.

so he can compete for a starting job in 2015 and we don't have to waste our cap on a 100 million dollar Alex Smith contract and all the 49ers fans can **** back off to ****sville when Smith is gone

RealSNR 05-10-2014 01:25 PM

Murray has shown remarkable progress recovering from his ACL.

I'll bet you he's healthy enough to participate in limited drills in training camp.

Ragged Robin 05-10-2014 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10619953)
so he can compete for a starting job in 2015 and we don't have to waste our cap on a 100 million dollar Alex Smith contract and all the 49ers fans can **** back off to ****sville when Smith is gone

ROFL so true

Hammock Parties 05-10-2014 01:27 PM

http://i.imgur.com/9orKCUo.jpg

keg in kc 05-10-2014 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10619962)
Murray has shown remarkable progress recovering from his ACL.

I'll bet you he's healthy enough to participate in limited drills in training camp.

Makes too much sense to hide him on IR though.

Three7s 05-10-2014 01:28 PM

People pimped the shit out of Stanzi and he was a 5th round pick. I'm not going anywhere with this one just yet.

And yes, I have seen him out of college, just saying there's always a chance he does nothing. We'll see.

That said, he's still worth the "risk".

Rasputin 05-10-2014 01:28 PM

TC & Preseason is going be a big deal to see how many reps each of these back up quarterbacks are going to get.

I hope Chase gets beat out and is gone.

Rasputin 05-10-2014 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10619976)
People pimped the shit out of Stanzi and he was a 5th round pick. I'm not going anywhere with this one just yet.

And yes, I have seen him out of college, just saying there's always a chance he does nothing. We'll see.



I think it's going be if he can take advantage of the opportunities he gets & make more opportunity happen for himself.


Regardless I hope we draft a first round quarterback next year and let them compete.

mcaj22 05-10-2014 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10619976)
People pimped the shit out of Stanzi and he was a 5th round pick. I'm not going anywhere with this one just yet.

And yes, I have seen him out of college, just saying there's always a chance he does nothing. We'll see.

That said, he's still worth the "risk".

People pimped every Pioli pick just to find the silver lining because we were desperate as a fan base grasping for straws from 2009-2012.

This is different.

O.city 05-10-2014 01:37 PM

Murray would have been a 3rd round pick if healthy.

Fire Me Boy! 05-10-2014 01:45 PM

You people thing Bray stays are reeruned. There is zero chance we go into the season with Smith, a UFA sophomore, and a fifth-round draft pick.

Discuss Thrower 05-10-2014 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Zarth (Post 10619968)

Now I see it. Now I ****in' know why Alex's look unsettled me.

He's a 21st century Max ****ing Schreck.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...feratu-006.jpg

aturnis 05-10-2014 02:11 PM

Daniel is gone. They seem to be getting replacements for our expensive guys, intentional or not.

Mr. Kotter 05-10-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 10620233)
Daniel is gone. They seem to be getting replacements for our expensive guys, intentional or not.

Yep. Decent strategy at that.

Strongside 05-10-2014 02:12 PM

Butt chin is outie. Peace out, booger.

CapsLockKey 05-10-2014 02:16 PM

Does it matter? Neither are very good.

ptlyon 05-10-2014 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10619976)
People pimped the shit out of Stanzi and he was a 5th round pick.

Stanzi sucked. Said so the day we drafted him. That was a Piloli/Ferentz favor hands down.

unlurking 05-10-2014 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10620131)
Now I see it. Now I ****in' know why Alex's look unsettled me.

He's a 21st century Max ****ing Schreck.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...feratu-006.jpg

Uncanny.

Oh, and agree with most everyone else. Daniel's salary will be what goes.

ptlyon 05-10-2014 03:20 PM

With the contract troubles, what if its Smith?

kcpasco 05-10-2014 03:39 PM

Daniel should be gone with that contract.

Murray and Bray as the backups. HELL YEAH!!!!

BryanBusby 05-10-2014 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Me Boy! (Post 10620092)
You people thing Bray stays are reeruned. There is zero chance we go into the season with Smith, a UFA sophomore, and a fifth-round draft pick.

It's not reeruned in the slightest, really. These draft moves have been to cover dudes they have lost or for future salary dumps.

Chase Daniel is one salary they are going to dump, as paying a back up QB nearly 5 mil is just not going to happen.

Mr. Laz 05-10-2014 03:56 PM

depends on what Bray has shown in the meeting rooms and on the practice field


If the Chiefs really think Bray has a chance then Daniel is gone, if not then Bray gets whacked

BryanBusby 05-10-2014 03:58 PM

Not necessarily.

If they think Bray is ready to be the #2 guy, Daniel is cut right away. If they feel he isn't ready just yet, Murray lands on the IR with a made up injury.

If Bray is hopeless, yeah he gone.

buddha 05-10-2014 03:59 PM

If Bray were good enough, they wouldn't have taken Murray, IMO.

Mr. Laz 05-10-2014 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddha (Post 10620749)
If Bray were good enough, they wouldn't have taken Murray, IMO.

that's a fair point, unless they are taking BPA and Murray was just next on the list

Maybe they think Daniel is tradable

warrior 05-10-2014 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCDC (Post 10619921)
Daniel goes. His salary is too high.

This :thumb:

htismaqe 05-10-2014 04:29 PM

They'll keep Daniel. No way they go into the season with Bray and Murray. Either Bray or Murray will be cut.

htismaqe 05-10-2014 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10620834)
that's a fair point, unless they are taking BPA and Murray was just next on the list

Maybe they think Daniel is tradable

Maybe they'll just cut Murray.

Pitt Gorilla 05-10-2014 04:30 PM

Daniel is the better player right now, but Bray/Murray are the future.

Baby Lee 05-10-2014 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCDC (Post 10619921)
Daniel goes. His salary is too high.

My hope, with further hope someone thinks he can perform and offers us value for him.

BryanBusby 05-10-2014 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddha (Post 10620749)
If Bray were good enough, they wouldn't have taken Murray, IMO.

Nope. Andy will keep investing in QB's even if the rotation looks set, get used to it.

htismaqe 05-10-2014 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 10620844)
Daniel is the better player right now, but Bray/Murray are the future.

One of them is.

They won't go into the season with both of them. No way.

They've been pretty conservative with a lot of moves so far, they're going to have a vet #2.

kcjoker 05-10-2014 05:07 PM

How much of a cap hit would it be to cut Daniel? I think Bray is out...Daniel played pretty well in that game vs the Chargers 70% completion and a QBR of 83. Maybe they tell Daniel he has to restructure his contract or they'll cut him...who knows.

Whosurdaddy 05-10-2014 05:14 PM

I hope we keep Daniels, because he reminds me of Chiefsplanet always doing this in the preseason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwchohlMjI

TEX 05-10-2014 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10619900)
Who goes?

Bray or Daniels. :(

Bray

Simply Red 05-10-2014 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CapsLockKey (Post 10620265)
Does it matter? Neither are very good.

lol

ILChief 05-10-2014 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10620883)
One of them is.

They won't go into the season with both of them. No way.

They've been pretty conservative with a lot of moves so far, they're going to have a vet #2.

Chase Daniel has started one game in the NFL. It's not like he has this wealth of experience

KChiefs1 05-10-2014 09:26 PM

The battle is between Bray & Murray.

htismaqe 05-10-2014 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 10622130)
Chase Daniel has started one game in the NFL. It's not like he has this wealth of experience

He has a ton of experience carrying a clipboard.

They're not going to go into the season with Bray and Murray as the backups.

Just can't see it.

mcaj22 05-10-2014 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10622175)
He has a ton of experience carrying a clipboard.

They're not going to go into the season with Bray and Murray as the backups.

Just can't see it.

Why not? Andy Reid has done it before (go into the season with an inexperienced #2) a couple times.

Most recently was Vick and Foles as his 2

htismaqe 05-10-2014 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10622223)
Why not? Andy Reid has done it before (go into the season with an inexperienced #2) a couple times.

Most recently was Vick and Foles as his 2

Well, you've got me there. He did do it that time.

How many other times has he done it that you can remember? I don't have THAT good of a memory about stuff like that...

mcaj22 05-10-2014 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10622229)
Well, you've got me there. He did do it that time.

How many other times has he done it that you can remember? I don't have THAT good of a memory about stuff like that...

this one doesn't count because he was expected to start but he did it in 1999 with McNabb

McNabb was a rookie (Murray)
Detmer had 1 year in the league (Bray)
Pederson was 31 years old and started the season (Smith)

obviously the parameters are different (Murray being a 5th round pick, McNabb being a first rounder) but he has carried inexperience as his #2 before.

htismaqe 05-10-2014 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10622242)
this one doesn't count because he was expected to start but he did it in 1999 with McNabb

McNabb was a rookie (Murray)
Detmer had 1 year in the league (Bray)
Pederson was 31 years old and started the season (Smith)

obviously the parameters are different (Murray being a 5th round pick, McNabb being a first rounder) but he has carried inexperience as his #2 before.

Yeah, that's a little different situation as far as the QBs.

But the one thing that has in common with now? It was early in his tenure.

Maybe he will do it. I'm still skeptical but there's certainly at least some precedent there...

mcaj22 05-10-2014 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10622251)
Yeah, that's a little different situation as far as the QBs.

But the one thing that has in common with now? It was early in his tenure.

Maybe he will do it. I'm still skeptical but there's certainly at least some precedent there...

Yea I don't think he's afraid to go with inexperience as his #2. The question is are Murray/Bray more of the mold of Detmer/Feeley for Reid or are they a potential homerun like Foles. That's the question. If they are just young guys that are going to backup Smith for 5/6 years and be the next Detmer/Feeley then who cares.

Reerun_KC 05-10-2014 10:07 PM

How about Daniels and Billy Ray both go?

htismaqe 05-10-2014 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10622255)
Yea I don't think he's afraid to go with inexperience as his #2. The question is are Murray/Bray more of the mold of Detmer/Feeley for Reid or are they a potential homerun like Foles. That's the question. If they are just young guys that are going to backup Smith for 5/6 years and be the next Detmer/Feeley then who cares.

If it were up to me, I'd pencil Murray in at the #2 spot right now.

I think he's "NFL ready" moreso than Bray. Bray is your developmental guy.

Murray needs development, but not as much as Bray.

The main reason I'd do it is because Daniel is just horribly overcompensated. I know I keep saying "awful" but it just is. Terrible.

Exoter175 05-10-2014 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10622265)
If it were up to me, I'd pencil Murray in at the #2 spot right now.

I think he's "NFL ready" moreso than Bray. Bray is your developmental guy.

Murray needs development, but not as much as Bray.

The main reason I'd do it is because Daniel is just horribly overcompensated. I know I keep saying "awful" but it just is. Terrible.

Hey look, we're on the same page with Daniel. LMAO

mcaj22 05-10-2014 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10622265)
If it were up to me, I'd pencil Murray in at the #2 spot right now.

I think he's "NFL ready" moreso than Bray. Bray is your developmental guy.

Murray needs development, but not as much as Bray.

The main reason I'd do it is because Daniel is just horribly overcompensated. I know I keep saying "awful" but it just is. Terrible.

even if they keep Daniel, Murray will beat him out for the #2. So you'd be paying that contract for a #3. That's how I justify not keeping him. If Smith gets hurt and you choose to want to put in Murray anyway, then there's no point in keeping Daniel. Murray can play from day 1, that's the argument. So you might as well have the development guy as the #3 and not the career clipboard holder eating cap space.

htismaqe 05-10-2014 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 10622268)
Hey look, we're on the same page with Daniel. LMAO

We always were.

htismaqe 05-10-2014 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10622272)
even if they keep Daniel, Murray will beat him out for the #2. So you'd be paying that contract for a #3. That's how I justify not keeping him. If Smith gets hurt and you choose to want to put in Murray anyway, then there's no point in keeping Daniel. Murray can play from day 1, that's the argument. So you might as well have the development guy as the #3 and not the career clipboard holder eating cap space.

Yep, pretty much how I see it too.

Anyong Bluth 05-11-2014 01:47 AM

Is this a real question?

Because it should mostly definitely be an echo chamber.


DANIEL...



Daniel...



daniel...




danielle...




booger...

TimeForWasp 05-11-2014 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 10619977)
TC & Preseason is going be a big deal to see how many reps each of these back up quarterbacks are going to get.

I hope Chase gets beat out and is gone.


I agree, It would be better for him to actually get beat out instead of just cutting him for the money. I hope he does actually get beat out.

Mr_Tomahawk 05-11-2014 07:12 AM

How much cap space would be cleared if we cut Chase in preseason?

Edit: would it make sense?

Mr. Arrowhead 05-11-2014 07:47 AM

I rather it be Daniel, but got a feeling its Bray unless he just absoluetly lights it up in training camp. I think they do want 1 developmental guy and then seasoned back up. But who knows maybe they can just IR Murray to let him completely heel up and keep all 4.


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