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RunKC 06-04-2014 01:59 PM

Colin Kaepernick gets over $100 million new deal
 
This changes everything

RunKC 06-04-2014 02:00 PM

@AdamSchefter: Colin Kaeprnick's 6-year deal is worth $110+ million, per sources. Heavy guarantees, too. Record guarantees.

Predarat 06-04-2014 02:01 PM

Hope Tyler Bray or that Georgia Kid with the hot girlfriend turn out well. Yikes.

ChiefGator 06-04-2014 02:01 PM

Interesting.

Seems a bit high.

Wildcat2005 06-04-2014 02:02 PM

The prevailing thought around here is Smith is better, no?

Could be $20+mil/year for Smith now

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:03 PM

They'll regret that one.

Al Bundy 06-04-2014 02:06 PM

60 mill in guaranteed money.

thabear04 06-04-2014 02:06 PM

Colin Kaepernick was an unknown commodity two seasons ago, a backup quarterback behind a division champion starter. Now Kaepernick is a true franchise quarterback, with the contract to prove it.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reports that Kaepernick and the San Francisco 49ers have agreed to terms on a six-year mega extension through 2020 that will pay the signal-caller up to $126 million. The deal includes $60 million guaranteed.

Kaepernick was entering the final year of his rookie contract, which was set to pay him under $1 million.

Mr_Tomahawk 06-04-2014 02:08 PM

Ian Rapoport‏@RapSheetˇ40 secs
To be specific, the Kaepernick 6-year extension includes $61M guaranteed, the highest ever.

planetdoc 06-04-2014 02:08 PM

chiefs shouldnt overpay for Alex Smith. Franchise him in 2015 if they have to. Carry 4 qbs if they have to.

Wonder if Smith's agent or his ego will allow him to make less than Kaep?

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:10 PM

so will Kaep be the new 'no touch' QB much like Manning and Brady were when they signed their huge deals?

Deberg_1990 06-04-2014 02:10 PM

Wow, so what's Russell Wilson worth then?
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ToxSocks 06-04-2014 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10670259)
chiefs shouldnt overpay for Alex Smith. Franchise him in 2015 if they have to. Carry 4 qbs if they have to.

Wonder if Smith's agent or his ego will allow him to make less than Kaep?

There is no way Alex Smith would get that kind of contract and i seriously doubt he'd be dumb enough to ask.

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10670262)
Wow, so what's Russell Wilson worth then?
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a shit load now

Pepe Silvia 06-04-2014 02:11 PM

Good deal, not.

ChiefsCountry 06-04-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10670262)
Wow, so what's Russell Wilson worth then?
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Same type of deal. They are essentially the same player with Wilson having a ring.

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10670263)
There is no way Alex Smith would get that kind of contract and i seriously doubt he'd be dumb enough to ask.

yep; he'll probably want some sort of guarnteed $ at a certain date each year. like, maybe before the draft where if he's on the roster, then his salary is automatically guaranteed.

Rausch 06-04-2014 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 10670258)
Ian Rapoport‏@RapSheetˇ40 secs
To be specific, the Kaepernick 6-year extension includes $61M guaranteed, the highest ever.

That's just ****ing stupid...

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:14 PM

I'd rather have Wilson everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

BlackHelicopters 06-04-2014 02:14 PM

61MM guaranteed. Let that sink in

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:16 PM

set for life. just like that.

Eleazar 06-04-2014 02:16 PM

LMAO

That's the reward for his 4th quarter in the NFC championship game I guess.

Rausch 06-04-2014 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10670274)
I'd rather have Wilson everyday of the week and twice on Sunday

Absolutely.

Not that I think either one of them is worth $20 million per...

alpha_omega 06-04-2014 02:17 PM

wow...he aint that great.

MMXcalibur 06-04-2014 02:18 PM

........annnnnd Kaepernick suddenly becomes prone to injury and performs like shit.

-King- 06-04-2014 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10670266)
Same type of deal. They are essentially the same player with Wilson having a ring.

No...they are not.
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AndChiefs 06-04-2014 02:18 PM

This is ridiculous.

Just Passin' By 06-04-2014 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 10670283)
This is ridiculous.

This is why you don't **** around and low ball your players at key positions.

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10670285)
This is why you don't **** around and low ball your players at key positions.

did he get an offer previously? serious question

Deberg_1990 06-04-2014 02:27 PM

The market for just decent QBs now is just insane.

I don't think KaeperINK is all that great, nor is he bad. he's just decent.

Just insane money now. I'll bet all the average/decent QBs from the 70s/80s/90s are pissed they never "got paid"
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hometeam 06-04-2014 02:27 PM

Another guy who got overpayed. Better them than us.

rico 06-04-2014 02:27 PM

LMAO

So happy to not be a 49ers fan right now... I hate that douche.

Discuss Thrower 06-04-2014 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10670296)
Another guy who got overpayed. Better them than us.

Alex will demand more money than what Cutler got.

Hello franchise tag.

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:28 PM

all I remember of him is him being an option type qb. He may not be, but that's all I remember of him.

Just Passin' By 06-04-2014 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10670287)
did he get an offer previously? serious question

Kaepernick? I'm not sure of the history there. I was just talking in general. When you've got a top player at a key position, and he's due for a deal, waiting and low balling allows time for another team to sign a similar player for a high number, and that raises the bar for the first guy.

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10670301)
Kaepernick? I'm not sure of the history there. I was just talking in general. When you've got a top player at a key position, and he's due for a deal, waiting and low balling allows time for another team to sign a similar player for a high number, and that raises the bar for the first guy.

ah. I see. makes sense.

Chief Roundup 06-04-2014 02:30 PM

Geez oh petes. Looks like it has become common place to overpay your QB. Kaepernick is not worth that money. I don't believe he ever will be either.
We are so screwed now. Alex is going to get a deal that will be just below this in total dollars and hopefully half of the guaranteed money as well.
Just stupid.

Mr. Laz 06-04-2014 02:31 PM

Man i really hope he implodes and screws the 49ers for years.

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:31 PM

I'm excited for the 2017 season when we trade for him

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:32 PM

...and, wasn't Vernon Davis wanting a new deal too?

Rausch 06-04-2014 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10670307)
Man i really hope he implodes and screws the 49ers for years.

Even if he plays great and stays healthy there's a lot of talent on that team they won't be able to pay in a few years...

Just Passin' By 06-04-2014 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10670310)
...and, wasn't Vernon Davis wanting a new deal too?

Yes, and they've got a guard (Alex Boone) who's no-showing because he wants a new deal, too.

ChiefsCountry 06-04-2014 02:36 PM

49ers have a ton of talent that is basically being redshirted. They are in fine shape.

Mr. Laz 06-04-2014 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10670312)
Even if he plays great and stays healthy there's a lot of talent on that team they won't be able to pay in a few years...

very true, but it will be even better if he fails to develop like Vick and the entire team turns into a gigantic pile of shit. LMAO

Deberg_1990 06-04-2014 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10670310)
...and, wasn't Vernon Davis wanting a new deal too?

I thought Denver proved the cap doesn't really matter? More like guidelines.
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Jakemall 06-04-2014 02:39 PM

FYI, this is an extention..not a new contract..so it is 7 years (not 6 years). 15-18 million depending on his hitting certain incentives. The only part of this that is a bit much is the 61 million guarantee.

I'm okay with this deal considering.

Rausch 06-04-2014 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10670320)
very true, but it will be even better if he fails to develop like Vick and the entire team turns into a gigantic pile of shit. LMAO

I don't think that's going to happen.

And don't get me wrong, I like his story and I hope he has a great career. He's the kind of guy you pull for to keep developing and become a really good QB.

That said there's a huge difference between pulling for a young QB and saying he's worth the most guaranteed money in the NFL...

Red Dawg 06-04-2014 02:43 PM

They can forget about keeping that squad together. One player eating up that much cap will cost them after this season. One of the reAsons Seattle was so good is because Wilson is cheap right now. Now they will give him 62 mill guaranteed.

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:43 PM

this almost smells like something the Radies would do

Gravedigger 06-04-2014 02:43 PM

I honestly think certain positions should have a cap against what can be given to them. Increasing the payrolls of these teams won't help when the QB is making 15% of the teams cap in one year, they'll just keep getting bigger deals. I don't think it's good business for the NFL if this continues and middle tier QB's are paid like they belong on the top 10 list of all time.

Just Passin' By 06-04-2014 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 10670331)
They can forget about keeping that squad together. One player eating up that much cap will cost them after this season. One of the reAsons Seattle was so good is because Wilson is cheap right now. Now they will give him 62 mill guaranteed.

The cap's supposedly going to be making big jumps moving forward.

Dayze 06-04-2014 02:46 PM

I'm not sure what to think about the NFL and its' cap etc.

Mr. Laz 06-04-2014 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 10670334)
I honestly think certain positions should have a cap against what can be given to them. Increasing the payrolls of these teams won't help when the QB is making 15% of the teams cap in one year, they'll just keep getting bigger deals. I don't think it's good business for the NFL if this continues and middle tier QB's are paid like they belong on the top 10 list of all time.

that will probably be the next evolution of the NFL salary cap

Max contracts ala the NBA

Keep one player from trashing the entire team.

vailpass 06-04-2014 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10670270)
That's just ****ing stupid...

X2

GoChargers 06-04-2014 02:49 PM

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Chiefnj2 06-04-2014 02:51 PM

Why do people think this cripples SF financially? 60 guaranteed means a 10 mil cap hit for the bonus fro the life of the contract. You could do a contract with reasonable numbers the first 5 years and a balloon at the end.

1. 10 mil bonus + 1 mil base = 11cap hit.
2. 10 mil bonus + 3 mil base = 13 cap hit.
3. 10 mil bonus + 3 mil base = 13 cap hit.
4. 10 mil bonus + 5 mil base = 15 cap hit.
5. 10 mil bonus + 9 mil base = 19 cap hit.
6. 10 mil bonus + 19 mil base = 29 cap hit (never realized, only on the hook for the 10 mil. With the additional tv revenue from the 4 european teams, it's a drop in the bucket).

If he gets hurt you are scrwed, but they could be set at QB for the next 5 years for a reasonable cap hit each year.

GoChargers 06-04-2014 02:51 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpT_vuPCAAAFrmx.png

LMAOLMAOLMAO

ChiefsCountry 06-04-2014 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 10670351)
Why do people think this cripples SF financially? 60 guaranteed means a 10 mil cap hit for the bonus fro the life of the contract. You could do a contract with reasonable numbers the first 5 years and a balloon at the end.

People are dumb and don't understand the salary cap.

Deberg_1990 06-04-2014 02:58 PM

Why do people think he's not worth it?

Sure, he's not top tier, but he's not garbage either.

He wins games and keeps his team competitive.

What in your opinion should he be paid?
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Jakemall 06-04-2014 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10670356)
People are dumb and don't understand the salary cap.

It is an extension... He has one year on the current contract. So it is 7 years.

Just Passin' By 06-04-2014 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10670367)
It is an extension... He has one year on the current contract. So it is 7 years.

If it's an actual extension, it's a 6 year deal. You screaming that it's not is never going to change that.

Jakemall 06-04-2014 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10670368)
It's a 6 year deal. You screaming that it's not is never going to change that.

it is a 6 year extension. Do you know what that means?

Just Passin' By 06-04-2014 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10670369)
it is a 6 year extension. Do you know what that means?

Yes. It means that you're trying to pretend it's not a 6 year deal by playing up the already existing contract year.

OldSchool 06-04-2014 03:00 PM

Bahahaha! Good luck keeping that roster together.

JakeLV 06-04-2014 03:01 PM

31st ranked pass offense>$100 million

Yeah... they'll love this in a few years.

Rausch 06-04-2014 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 10670351)
If he gets hurt you are scrwed, but they could be set at QB for the next 5 years for a reasonable cap hit each year.

It's the guaranteed money.

If he did something stupid off the field, regressed, had a string of injuries they're tied to that money. Kap does not play safe - he wants to get every yard he can.

l4z4rd 06-04-2014 03:05 PM

$110M for a QB who averaged 200 yds/game last season.

GoChargers 06-04-2014 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10670366)
Why do people think he's not worth it?

Sure, he's not top tier, but he's not garbage either.

He wins games and keeps his team competitive.

What in your opinion should he be paid?
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Kraepernick chokes in the big games and he's extremely one-dimensional, athleticism-dependent, and can't read a defense. On what planet is he worth the biggest amount of guaranteed money of any quarterback in the league?

Lex Luthor 06-04-2014 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wildcat2005 (Post 10670249)
The prevailing thought around here is Smith is better, no?

Could be $20+mil/year for Smith now

Some fans may think that. Harbaugh and the 49ers obviously didn't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10670259)
chiefs shouldnt overpay for Alex Smith. Franchise him in 2015 if they have to. Carry 4 qbs if they have to.

Wonder if Smith's agent or his ego will allow him to make less than Kaep?

I really, really like Alex Smith. But I wouldn't Flacco the team by giving all of the money to Smith.

OldSchool 06-04-2014 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLV (Post 10670372)
31st ranked pass offense>$100 million

Yeah... they'll love this in a few years.

Everyone blames it on the "lack of WRs" but that was far from the case. His issues as a passer were most clearly illustrated by the ill-advised decision and throw that he made on his final play in the NFC Championship game last year. He's a one-read guy who can't see the whole field and leaves wide open receivers hanging all of the time. Absolutely no anticipation in the passing game.

Discuss Thrower 06-04-2014 03:07 PM

I've often thought the NFL would be wise to add an additional tag for a player who is the true "franchise" player. It can only be applied one time to a player that was selected by the team in question to pretty much keep a fan favorite in his "home" city.

The trick is determining how the kid gets paid. I think a "franchise star" tag should enable a team to stick a player, such as Jamaal Charles, on the roster with a cap hit that's only the average salary for that position but the big money is paid totally from the league itself and for a set amount of money and time that applies to anyone with the "star" designation. Or, the "star" tag enables a team to pretty much write off all or most of the cap hit for the player but be negotiated with a deal from the club for however much they want to spend.

Just Passin' By 06-04-2014 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 10670382)
I really, really like Alex Smith. But I wouldn't Flacco the team by giving all of the money to Smith.

The problem with the Flacco deal was that it took place during a flat cap period. The cap is no longer expected to be flat.

Deberg_1990 06-04-2014 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChargers (Post 10670381)
Kraepernick chokes in the big games and he's extremely one-dimensional, athleticism-dependent, and can't read a defense. On what planet is he worth the biggest amount of guaranteed money of any quarterback in the league?

He wins games and keeps his team competitive. ultimately that matters more than stats.


Outside of a Manning or Brady, who are they going to get who can perform better?
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Jakemall 06-04-2014 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10670370)
Yes. It means that you're trying to pretend it's not a 6 year deal by playing up the already existing contract year.

And you're trying to pretend that this year doesn't matter. He's locked up til 2021.

TEX 06-04-2014 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 10670382)
Some fans may think that. Harbaugh and the 49ers obviously didn't.



I really, really like Alex Smith. But I wouldn't Flacco the team by giving all of the money to Smith.

+1

Just Passin' By 06-04-2014 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10670388)
And you're trying to pretend that this year doesn't matter. He's locked up til 2021.

I'm not trying to pretend this year doesn't matter. I'm just not trying to bullshit myself into pretending it's a 7 year deal.

l4z4rd 06-04-2014 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10670387)
He wins games and keeps his team competitive. ultimately that matters more than stats.


Outside of a Manning or Brady, who are they going to get who can perform better?
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Harbaugh kept the team competitive by limiting Kaepernick's passing attempts and relying on Gore and the Defense.

Jakemall 06-04-2014 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10670391)
I'm not trying to pretend this year doesn't matter. I'm just not trying to bullshit myself into pretending it's a 7 year deal.

the contract lasts 7 seasons...I don't really see how you could interpret it any other way.

ChiefsCountry 06-04-2014 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 10670382)
I really, really like Alex Smith. But I wouldn't Flacco the team by giving all of the money to Smith.

I ****ing hate Alex Smith but if he won us a Super Bowl like Flacco did, **** it give him all the money he wants.

Rausch 06-04-2014 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10670395)
the contract lasts 7 seasons...I don't really see how you could interpret it any other way.

It doesn't matter.

Look at this aspect - lets pretend something happens and in 3 years he's not going to play anymore. For whatever reason.

12-15 mil guaranteed isn't an unrealistic number for that year. So with that money tied up you still have to find another QB. Can you really spend $25-$30 mil on the QB position and be successful?...


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