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Sweet Daddy Hate 07-07-2014 01:26 PM

Houston or Smith?
 
Who gets the contract first? And, who would you prefer gets the contract first if at all?

ChiefsCountry 07-07-2014 01:27 PM

Houston. Smith can go jump in the Missouri River as far as I'm concerned.

TimBone 07-07-2014 01:27 PM

I hope we pay Houston before anyone else.

Halfcan 07-07-2014 01:28 PM

Make both play under current contracts.

Rausch 07-07-2014 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10734426)
I hope we pay Houston before anyone else.

This...

Tribal Warfare 07-07-2014 01:31 PM

Houston, IMO should get paid first

BigMeatballDave 07-07-2014 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10734425)
Smith can go jump in the Missouri River as far as I'm concerned.

This is InMen level Dumbassery.

BigMeatballDave 07-07-2014 01:33 PM

Houston.

I still prefer to have Smith play this season out before paying him.

OnTheWarpath15 07-07-2014 01:35 PM

Wow, tough decision.

The 25 year old elite pass rusher, or the 30 year old middling QB.

ptlyon 07-07-2014 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 10734436)
Houston.

I still prefer to have Smith play this season out before cutting him.

FYP

In58men 07-07-2014 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 10734434)
This is InMen level Dumbassery.

Yes because throwing the bank at a QB with the easiest schedule says everything. Oh who's winning the poll dip shit?

BigMeatballDave 07-07-2014 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 10734443)
Yes because throwing the bank at a QB with the easiest schedule says everything. Oh who's winning the poll dip shit?

Read my post you ****ing reeruned chimp.

Eleazar 07-07-2014 01:40 PM

Obvious troll is obvious

unlurking 07-07-2014 01:40 PM

Houston should get paid first. For some reason I don't believe that's going to happen though, so voting for Smith based on expectation of preference.

In58men 07-07-2014 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 10734449)
Read my post you ****ing reeruned chimp.


I did and you're still a ****ing idiot.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-07-2014 01:41 PM

Unfortunately neither can hit Cyrus Gray on a wheel route.

BigMeatballDave 07-07-2014 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 10734453)
I did and you're still a ****ing idiot.

Reading comprehension fail.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-07-2014 01:45 PM

It's a boring day. Might as well stir it a bit.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-07-2014 01:46 PM

FTR, I'd prefer to sign Houston and franchise Smith next year while drafting a QB in round 1.

I have a dream...

Mr. Laz 07-07-2014 01:48 PM

The salary scale has already shot to the moon for QBs. Might as well just let Smith play on his current salary this year. If he can duplicate the 2nd half of last year with the a harder schedule and the same or less talent then he earns a new contract. If he doesn't then he loses leverage for a high contract.

Houston is holding out so we probably don't have much choice. If Bowe can bend Dorsey over the way he did, it's going in dry with Houston. Highest paid defender in the history of the NFL type dry.

Rausch 07-07-2014 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10734474)

Houston is holding out so we probably don't have much choice. If Bowe can bend Dorsey over the way he did, it's going in dry with Houston. Highest paid defender in the history of the NFL type dry.

I'm fine with that. This defense is total ass without him in there...

SAUTO 07-07-2014 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 10734428)
Make both play under current contracts.

dumbass
Posted via Mobile Device

Coochie liquor 07-07-2014 02:00 PM

I say pay Houston, let a Smith play out this year unless you can get him at a lower price then franchise him next year and possibly the next dep on where we are qb wise then.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-07-2014 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 10734500)
I say pay Houston, let a Smith play out this year unless you can get him at a lower price then franchise him next year and possibly the next dep on where we are qb wise then.

It's pretty obvious that both sides have gone cold.

keg in kc 07-07-2014 02:12 PM

Smith will be first. Houston should be.

TimBone 07-07-2014 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10734499)
dumbass
Posted via Mobile Device

Milkman hacked Sauto's account.

Mr. Laz 07-07-2014 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10734486)
I'm fine with that. This defense is total ass without him in there...

You're pretty much always fine with paying the players whatever they want.

iirc you were one of the people who said 'just pay bowe and get it done'

now we have people saying we couldn't be active in FA because we are in salary cap hell

You can't just back the truck up without it causing problems

Rausch 07-07-2014 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10734548)
Your pretty much always fine with paying the players whatever they want.

iirc you were one of the people who said 'just pay bowe and get it done'

now we have people saying we couldn't be active in FA because we are in salary cap hell

You can't just back the truck up without it causing problems

The only reason Bowe isn't worth the money is because he isn't thrown the ball. When he is you see performances like the playoff game.

Elite players cost elite money. No matter the position.

I don't agree with paying Smith reeruned money just because he's a QB (like some here do.)

We aren't in cap hell. We were up against the cap for stupid signings and none of our draft picks from last year working out.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-07-2014 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10734563)
The only reason Bowe isn't worth the money is because he isn't thrown the ball. When he is you see performances like the playoff game.

Elite players cost elite money. No matter the position.

I don't agree with paying Smith reeruned money just because he's a QB (like some here do.)

We aren't in cap hell. We were up against the cap for stupid signings and none of our draft picks from last year working out.

But he's better than Matt Cassel and is the best Chief QB since Trent Green. Obviously, we should pay him twice what we payed both Cassel AND Green, and keep him on the roster until he's old and grey/ Bleacher Report fan.

milkman 07-07-2014 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10734438)
Wow, tough decision.

The 25 year old elite pass rusher, or the 30 year old middling QB.

So, Smith?

OnTheWarpath15 07-07-2014 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10734640)
So, Smith?

LMAO

Sadly, that's probably exactly what will happen.

Simply Red 07-07-2014 02:54 PM

Jeff Linkenbach.

Mojo Jojo 07-07-2014 02:58 PM

Yes Houston needs a new deal a should be paid, be he's the one who skipped the off season program. Guess what? He moved himself into the second slot of who gets paid.

milkman 07-07-2014 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10734652)
LMAO

Sadly, that's probably exactly what will happen.

It's a QB driven league.
Who cares if Smith hasn't yet gotten more than his learner's permit?

TEX 07-07-2014 04:38 PM

Regardless of how it all goes down, I bet Smith will be less of a distraction and wont let effect his play...

The Bad Guy 07-07-2014 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 10734443)
Yes because throwing the bank at a QB with the easiest schedule says everything. Oh who's winning the poll dip shit?

You really are a dipshit, BCD is right.

The Bad Guy 07-07-2014 04:41 PM

I'm paying Houston first.

JakeLV 07-07-2014 04:43 PM

The defense is predicated on the pass rush.

Smith played well down the stretch. I'd be happy with that level of QB play, but is it irreplaceable? I don't think so.

Rausch 07-07-2014 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10734854)
Regardless of how it all goes down, I bet Smith will be less of a distraction and wont let effect his play...

I don't think his contract will effect his play.

I do think having 3 matadors blocking for him will...

In58men 07-07-2014 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 10734864)
You really are a dipshit, BCD is right.

/truefanssticktogether

Mr. Laz 07-07-2014 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeLV (Post 10734871)
The defense is predicated on the pass rush.

Smith played well down the stretch. I'd be happy with that level of QB play, but is it irreplaceable? I don't think so.

well that's all we did this offseason, so it better work the **** out

Easy 6 07-07-2014 06:38 PM

I don't know much about Houstons temperament, but I'd have to say pay the young guy now to avoid any potential problems aka holdouts, bad attitudes etc.

Say "show me some more this year, Alex" and let him come into the season with a chip on his shoulder... if he kicks ass then pony up a bit.

Discuss Thrower 07-07-2014 06:42 PM

Houston should absolutely make the Chiefs overpay for his services because of how much playing in KC has already cost him in terms of lost endorsement money.

Once Clark balks at what should be his market value then it should be very obvious what the Chiefs' main priority is.

Spoiler alert: it's not winning championships.

el borracho 07-07-2014 07:04 PM

If it were up to me, Houston would get paid, Smith would get replaced.

OldSchool 07-07-2014 07:08 PM

Which of the two actually performed at a high level in the playoff game? Smith.

The real answer is to extend both asap.

Coochie liquor 07-07-2014 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10735204)
Which of the two actually performed at a high level in the playoff game? Smith.

The real answer is to extend both asap.

I like where ugly our heads at!

chiefs1111 07-07-2014 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10734652)
LMAO

Sadly, that's probably exactly what will happen.

Yup

hometeam 07-07-2014 07:58 PM

Houston is beastin it.

Alex Smith is JAG

In58men 07-07-2014 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10735312)
Alex Smith is JAG

Are you talking about that TV show that nobody gave a shit about and wasn't ****ing entertaining, same ole shit every ****ing episode? That JAG?

Pasta Little Brioni 07-07-2014 08:35 PM

Choco Penii!!!!

jonzie04 07-07-2014 09:56 PM

Bet Houston gets one first since he's holding out.

OldSchool 07-08-2014 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10735312)
Houston is beastin it.

Alex Smith is JAG

The "beast" is part of the same unit that allowed Indy to put up 45 on deep bomb after deep bomb. Deep passes don't happen that consistently and that often if you have a competent pass rush, regardless of how poor the secondary is.

The "JAG" put up 44 without any marquee players to help him out (unless you consider Bowe one, he truly was average at best last year) because Charles went down within a couple of plays.

OldSchool 07-08-2014 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10735312)
Houston is beastin it.

Alex Smith is JAG

The "beast" is part of the same unit that allowed Indy to put up 45 on deep bomb after deep bomb. Deep passes don't happen that consistently and that often if you have a competent pass rush, regardless of how poor the secondary is.

The "JAG" put up 44 without any marquee players to help him out (unless you consider Bowe one, he truly was average at best last year) because Charles went down within a couple of plays.

TEX 07-08-2014 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10734872)
I don't think his contract will effect his play.

I do think having 3 matadors blocking for him will...

LMAO :banghead: Rep!

Mr. Laz 07-08-2014 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10735163)
Houston should absolutely make the Chiefs overpay for his services because of how much playing in KC has already cost him in terms of lost endorsement money.

Once Clark balks at what should be his market value then it should be very obvious what the Chiefs' main priority is.

Spoiler alert: it's not winning championships.

way to cheer for your team

TEX 07-08-2014 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10735163)
Houston should absolutely make the Chiefs overpay for his services because of how much playing in KC has already cost him in terms of lost endorsement money.

Once Clark balks at what should be his market value then it should be very obvious what the Chiefs' main priority is.

Spoiler alert: it's not winning championships.

I dont know about your endorsement theory but Houston is underpaid because he fell to the 3rd round because he failed a drug test right before the draft. Houston has nobody to blame but himself for losing out on $$$$, no matter how good he is.

tredadda 07-08-2014 04:45 PM

Houston. Top tier pass rushers are hard to come by and he is younger. We will have more years of service from him than AS.

Discuss Thrower 07-08-2014 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10736629)
I dont know about your endorsement theory but Houston is underpaid because he fell to the 3rd round because he failed a drug test before he was drafted. Houston has nobody to blame but himself no matter how good he is.

It's why KC refuses to draft franchise QBs.

Media exposure for a player of that caliber is negatively harmed by being in the Midwest, so the club has to make up the difference with signing bonuses and larger share of cap money.

Chief Roundup 07-08-2014 05:29 PM

I would think Houston because of where he ranks at his position versus where Alex Smith ranks at his position. But lets see what the contract demands are before we we jump on who gets signed or doesn't get signed.

RealSNR 07-08-2014 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10735607)
The "beast" is part of the same unit that allowed Indy to put up 45 on deep bomb after deep bomb. Deep passes don't happen that consistently and that often if you have a competent pass rush, regardless of how poor the secondary is.

The "JAG" put up 44 without any marquee players to help him out (unless you consider Bowe one, he truly was average at best last year) because Charles went down within a couple of plays.

Brady Quinn once put up 40+ points with the Browns.

And he wasn't even aided by defensive scores.

Chiefs Pantalones 07-08-2014 09:18 PM

This is a no-brainer. Houston. No debating it.

Chiefs Pantalones 07-08-2014 09:26 PM

I'm praying we don't extend Smith. It was a mistake to pay what we did for him in compensation, just admit that mistake and move on after this year. Unless he all the sudden becomes a QB without his obvious limitations. That's not happening.

Deberg_1990 07-08-2014 09:27 PM

Smith for sure. We finally have our 1st round franchise QB

milkman 07-09-2014 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 10737193)
I'm praying we don't extend Smith. It was a mistake to pay what we did for him in compensation, just admit that mistake and move on after this year. Unless he all the sudden becomes a QB without his obvious limitations. That's not happening.

His obvious limitations are mental.

TRR 07-09-2014 06:09 AM

Houston...

But how soon posters forget how bad it gets when not having a competent QB to lead.
Posted via Mobile Device

Chiefnj2 07-09-2014 06:38 AM

You pay the QB - always.

Smith is Reid and Dorsey's boy. They chose him. Pay him and build the team around him and if it fails over the next 3 years blow it up and start all over again.


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