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Dante84 08-08-2014 12:23 AM

Who depressed you tonight?
 
Who do you think showed their ass?

Anyone in danger of a demotion/being cut?

TimBone 08-08-2014 12:23 AM

Mr. Ronaldo Parker.

Dante84 08-08-2014 12:24 AM

Agreed.

I was gonna say Santos as well, with his short kick-offs, but Reid said in the post-game presser that the kickers were instructed to leave them short so the Kick-Coverage unit could get some work in.

Dante84 08-08-2014 12:25 AM

The Oline and Young CB's have me worried, too.

Hammock Parties 08-08-2014 12:27 AM

chuefs

Johnny Vegas 08-08-2014 12:28 AM

honestly?? ****ing that costly back up Chase Daniel...ok ok ok more like our DB's

Dayze 08-08-2014 12:33 AM

Parker

and Fisher who got abused on the left just like he did on the right all last season.

TimBone 08-08-2014 12:52 AM

My stream pooped out on me pretty early, so I didn't see much of Chase Daniel. However, if the game thread is any indication of his play tonight, then he's gonna make it easy for Reid to keep both Murray and Bray.

OldSchool 08-08-2014 12:55 AM

Our secondary was really worrying.

OldSchool 08-08-2014 12:57 AM

Also, for all of the hype that Houston gets for his run defense, he got his shit pushed in several times by the backup RT.

Dunerdr 08-08-2014 05:31 AM

Our run d as a whole was a little questionable.

Marcellus 08-08-2014 06:03 AM

I'm still laughing at people who thought Parker was going to beat out Smith and that Smith was on 2nd team due to performance not punishment.

wazu 08-08-2014 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10802978)
I'm still laughing at people who thought Parker was going to beat out Smith and that Smith was on 2nd team due to performance not punishment.

Really? Are you really laughing? Cause even if those people are wrong it's not very funny to me. I can barely muster a polite smirk while thinking about those people's opinions.

TribalElder 08-08-2014 06:12 AM

Fisher was looking like last season

Marcellus 08-08-2014 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 10802986)
Really? Are you really laughing? Cause even if those people are wrong it's not very funny to me. I can barely muster a polite smirk while thinking about those people's opinions.

I'm giggling a little at you right now.

LoneWolf 08-08-2014 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 10802989)
Fisher was looking like last season

I've seen a lot of comments like this: "Fisher was getting manhandled", "He looked like last season", and "Bust". I would like for these people to point out which plays they think back up these statements. The sack where Alex fumbled was due to the pressure right up the middle. Fisher was between his man and Smith, but Smith had nowhere to escape due to a collapsing pocket right in his face. If Smith could have taken even one step forward, Fisher could have pushed his man behind Smith. It also wasn't like Fisher was beat immediately on that play. Smith had time to get rid of the ball. When KC ran the ball to the left, they were mosty successful, so his run blocking looked good to me.

wazu 08-08-2014 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10802991)
I'm giggling a little at you right now.

That one I understand.

Sandy Vagina 08-08-2014 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10802997)
I've seen a lot of comments like this: "Fisher was getting manhandled", "He looked like last season", and "Bust". I would like for these people to point out which plays they think back up these statements. The sack where Alex fumbled was due to the pressure right up the middle. Fisher was between his man and Smith, but Smith had nowhere to escape due to a collapsing pocket right in his face. If Smith could have taken even one step forward, Fisher could have pushed his man behind Smith. It also wasn't like Fisher was beat immediately on that play. Smith had time to get rid of the ball. When KC ran the ball to the left, they were mosty successful, so his run blocking looked good to me.

Looking forward to seeing it again... probably will go look at that 1 play again.. but as I recall it..

Both Fisher and Allen got shoved back quickly into Smith's short drop. But that wasn't really the largest problem.

The largest problem was that on that play design (or maybe a receiver just ran the wrong route?) there were 3 Chiefs all bunched together to the left hashmark.. and (I think) a large LB sitting in a zone right in front of that mess. It looks like shit for the QB.. but when you see that? and have nowhere to run? guess you got to eat the sack. NO excuse for the ball protection though.. that was very un-Smith-like!

Oh, I know I know... EXCUSES! The QB should have magically force pulled the underneath LB down on his face with his left hand and zipped a pass low to one of the 3 receivers! Stupid QB!

SAUTO 08-08-2014 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10802997)
I've seen a lot of comments like this: "Fisher was getting manhandled", "He looked like last season", and "Bust". I would like for these people to point out which plays they think back up these statements. The sack where Alex fumbled was due to the pressure right up the middle. Fisher was between his man and Smith, but Smith had nowhere to escape due to a collapsing pocket right in his face. If Smith could have taken even one step forward, Fisher could have pushed his man behind Smith. It also wasn't like Fisher was beat immediately on that play. Smith had time to get rid of the ball. When KC ran the ball to the left, they were mosty successful, so his run blocking looked good to me.

pretty sure fisher was laying on his face when smith fumbled.

duncan_idaho 08-08-2014 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10802997)
I've seen a lot of comments like this: "Fisher was getting manhandled", "He looked like last season", and "Bust". I would like for these people to point out which plays they think back up these statements. The sack where Alex fumbled was due to the pressure right up the middle. Fisher was between his man and Smith, but Smith had nowhere to escape due to a collapsing pocket right in his face. If Smith could have taken even one step forward, Fisher could have pushed his man behind Smith. It also wasn't like Fisher was beat immediately on that play. Smith had time to get rid of the ball. When KC ran the ball to the left, they were mosty successful, so his run blocking looked good to me.

Fisher was my main priority this evening. I watched the 1 offense's plays mostly to see how he handled himself on the left side.

He was still having trouble with bull rushes - got pushed back consistently by JAG Robert Geathers. That's what stood out to me. It wasn't just about the sack/strip (which is on Alex just as much as the offensive line. He had a LOT of time in the pocket). That's what was concerning. If he's getting run over by a guy like Geathers, he's going to have a long season on the left side.

Three7s 08-08-2014 07:15 AM

Ron Parker is horrid. He has no business starting in any secondary.

hometeam 08-08-2014 07:18 AM

Parker got beat repeatedly, Smith will regain his spot by the time the season starts.

Abdullah didn't play a lot but the way Bronson played makes me think that he will end up being the starter at FS.

mcaj22 08-08-2014 07:32 AM

Dave Toub impressed me, every game that coach has shown me he is the best in the NFL at what he does.

I am going to cry when he leaves us for one of these shit franchises that goes through coaches like water finally get smart and give him a head coaching job he deserves.

Discuss Thrower 08-08-2014 07:38 AM

The asshats on the rules committee depressed me.

Points scored and yards gained through the air are going to be inSANE this season.

InChiefsHeaven 08-08-2014 07:42 AM

Dee Ford has a long way to go. Athletic, but seemed confused and slow at times. That little bastard QB for the Bengals escaped him at least twice that I remember. A little coaching up and I think he'll be fine.

Molitoth 08-08-2014 07:42 AM

Bob sutton sucks

ILChief 08-08-2014 07:49 AM

Refs/Manning rule
Chase keeping #2 qb job

RealSNR 08-08-2014 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10803054)
Dave Toub impressed me, every game that coach has shown me he is the best in the NFL at what he does.

I am going to cry when he leaves us for one of these shit franchises that goes through coaches like water finally get smart and give him a head coaching job he deserves.

He's not very likely to accept a head coaching job any time soon.

He likes what he does too much and doesn't want to ruin it.

Fairplay 08-08-2014 07:51 AM

Bring back Kendrick Lewis

RealSNR 08-08-2014 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10802914)
Also, for all of the hype that Houston gets for his run defense, he got his shit pushed in several times by the backup RT.

Oh just shut the **** up :rolleyes:

Fairplay 08-08-2014 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10803055)
The asshats on the rules committee depressed me.

Points scored and yards gained through the air are going to be inSANE this season.

The two ways to counter that is have a highly pressure rush at QB throughout the game and or great DB's and linebackers for coverage.

Bl00dyBizkitz 08-08-2014 07:54 AM

Our secondary, as usual.

Smith was also depressing as well. And I'm a Smith supporter :/

Discuss Thrower 08-08-2014 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairplay (Post 10803072)
The two ways to counter that is have a highly pressure rush at QB throughout the game and or great DB's and linebackers for coverage.

Manning is immune to pass rushes.

Fairplay 08-08-2014 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10803074)
Manning is immune to pass rushes.


I know, someone needs to spike is Gatorade or something.

kepp 08-08-2014 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10802911)
My stream pooped out on me pretty early, so I didn't see much of Chase Daniel. However, if the game thread is any indication of his play tonight, then he's gonna make it easy for Reid to keep both Murray and Bray.

The game thread is an indication of one of his plays...as bone-headed as it was. After the INT he came back to lead two scoring drives. Including a 69 yard TD pass. The only thing he made easy for Reid last night was to see that he is the clear #2 right now.

Sandy Vagina 08-08-2014 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 10803073)
Our secondary, as usual.

Smith was also depressing as well. And I'm a Smith supporter :/

certainly was an underwhelming showing.. however small a sample of it it was.

jd1020 08-08-2014 09:23 AM

I was expecting a lot worse from Smith with all the haters saying how bad he was sucking.

Smith was efficient, completing 60% of his passes, and leading the team to 17 first quarter points.

The Franchise 08-08-2014 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10803187)
I was expecting a lot worse from Smith with all the haters saying how bad he was sucking.

Smith was efficient, completing 60% of his passes, and leading the team to 17 first quarter points.

LMAO

kepp 08-08-2014 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10803187)
I was expecting a lot worse from Smith with all the haters saying how bad he was sucking.

Smith was efficient, completing 60% of his passes, and leading the team to 17 first quarter points.

Or 3 first quarter points...depending on who the NFL stats keepers decide to give the two touchdowns to.

tecumseh 08-08-2014 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10803187)
I was expecting a lot worse from Smith with all the haters saying how bad he was sucking.

Smith was efficient, completing 60% of his passes, and leading the team to 17 first quarter points.

Really?

Three7s 08-08-2014 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tecumseh (Post 10803217)
Really?

I'm sensing sarcasm.

ThaVirus 08-08-2014 09:54 AM

He's ****ing joking. You guys have had some serious trouble detecting jd's Alex Smith sarcasm.

Smith, as well as the rest of the first teamers, looked like absolute ass.

srvy 08-08-2014 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 10803066)
Refs/Manning rule
Chase keeping #2 qb job

Not sure about Chase keeping the bkup spot locked up. Still three games left in preseason and evaluations from camp. Who knows what direction we will go.

jd1020 08-08-2014 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 10803296)
Not sure about Chase keeping the bkup spot locked up. Still three games left in preseason and evaluations from camp. Who knows what direction we will go.

Have to go with the experienced player. Bray and Murray are 47 passes behind Daniel. That can't be overlooked.

Mr. Laz 08-08-2014 10:27 AM

Bob Sutton


Defense still looks sloppy and poorly trained. No options, no adjusting(just preseason, i know)

no pressure unless we blitz and if we blitz all the time we open ourselves up to the big play

our secondary looks asstastic ... again ... apparently Emmitt Thomas can't coach as well as he can play


going by just this 1 preseason game ............. our defense looks to be EXACTLY like last year. When we face QB's that aren't good passers we look awesome. Against quality passers we look like stank ass.

htismaqe 08-08-2014 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10803049)
Parker got beat repeatedly, Smith will regain his spot by the time the season starts.

This. Ron Parker was, BY FAR, the biggest disappointment last night.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10803049)
Abdullah didn't play a lot but the way Bronson played makes me think that he will end up being the starter at FS.

Bronson is on the bubble to even make the team. He's not going to start. Crazy talk.

Pasta Little Brioni 08-08-2014 11:22 AM

The officiating. This season is going to suck ass if the games are called like that.

The Franchise 08-08-2014 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10803415)
This. Ron Parker was, BY FAR, the biggest disappointment last night.



Bronson is on the bubble to even make the team. He's not going to start. Crazy talk.

Parker needs to be put back at NB. He's not good enough to cover #1 WRs.

TEX 08-08-2014 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10803415)
This. Ron Parker was, BY FAR, the biggest disappointment last night.



Bronson is on the bubble to even make the team. He's not going to start. Crazy talk.

This.
As a whole, our secondary looked bad. It was fkn pathetic that the WR got behind the coverage on that 50 yard lob / duck Dalton threw in the first. THAT CANT happen no matter who is playing.

spanky 52 08-08-2014 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 10803418)
The officiating. This season is going to suck ass if the games are called like that.

This.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 08-08-2014 11:57 AM

Parker
McMillian
Mauga

milkman 08-09-2014 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10803415)
This. Ron Parker was, BY FAR, the biggest disappointment last night.



Bronson is on the bubble to even make the team. He's not going to start. Crazy talk.

Might be on the bubble, but he was easily the best safety on the field in this game.

milkman 08-09-2014 06:37 AM

After Hali pimping Josh Martin, I was disappointed that he showed nothing in this game.

milkman 08-09-2014 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 10803090)
The game thread is an indication of one of his plays...as bone-headed as it was. After the INT he came back to lead two scoring drives. Including a 69 yard TD pass. The only thing he made easy for Reid last night was to see that he is the clear #2 right now.

Lead scoring drives?

The 69 yard TD pass was from a clean pocket to a wide the **** open Kelce.
I could have made that pass.

The other was 12 play drive in which he handed the ball off 11 times.

He learned how to had the ball off great from Brees.

MahiMike 08-09-2014 06:55 AM

I watched the replay and one thing that stood out was how gassed the whole defense looked. They need to run more sprints at end of practices.

Mr. Laz 08-09-2014 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 10804998)
I watched the replay and one thing that stood out was how gassed the whole defense looked. They need to run more sprints at end of practices.

Hopefully they have been running too much and their legs are dead

OnTheWarpath15 08-09-2014 09:12 AM

First team offense and defense.

keg in kc 08-09-2014 10:28 AM

You know what depressed me? Fans complaining about Sutton's 4th quarter playcalling. They don't gameplan for the preseason opener at all, we all know this, yet somehow people are getting worked up because they're not being more creative and/or aggressive in the last 5 minutes of an exhibition game featuring 22 guys who probably won't make an NFL roster. Sometimes I weep for humanity.

Other than that, the first team on both sides of the ball was pretty much brutal. But I kind of expected that. Youth plus a lot of camp injuries (even if they're just the nagging variety), particularly among the skill guys, but on the lines as well. May see some improvement over the next couple of weeks. Or may not.

Discuss Thrower 08-09-2014 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 10805160)
You know what depressed me? Fans complaining about Sutton's 4th quarter playcalling. They don't gameplan for the preseason opener at all, we all know this, yet somehow people are getting worked up because they're not being more creative and/or aggressive in the last 5 minutes of an exhibition game featuring 22 guys who probably won't make an NFL roster. Sometimes I weep for humanity.

Other than that, the first team on both sides of the ball was pretty much brutal. But I kind of expected that. Youth plus a lot of camp injuries (even if they're just the nagging variety), particularly among the skill guys, but on the lines as well. May see some improvement over the next couple of weeks. Or may not.

Sutton sucked because the first team defense looked like ass.

And "no scheme" or "DeVito and Berry were out" aren't excuses.

kysirsoze 08-09-2014 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10803074)
Manning is immune to pass rushes.

No he isn't. He's actually susceptible to them if they can actually get there. The problem is he's so good with assignments and hot reads. If you can hit Manning at all, he will get flustered. That's still going to be a problem, though, with these corners and the new enforcement of defensive holding.

keg in kc 08-09-2014 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 10805275)
Sutton sucked because the first team defense looked like ass.

And "no scheme" or "DeVito and Berry were out" aren't excuses.

This is my point....
















.....and this is you.

John Dope 08-09-2014 11:59 AM

Parker wasn't as bad as some make out imo. A couple of times the safety help was lacking. Hudson was really disappointing to me. I would add Fulton but he's a rookie. They were double teaming Atkins and getting owned. It was embarrassing.

milkman 08-09-2014 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10805346)
Parker wasn't as bad as some make out imo. A couple of times the safety help was lacking. Hudson was really disappointing to me. I would add Fulton but he's a rookie. They were double teaming Atkins and getting owned. It was embarrassing.

I am a Hudson fan, and it's hard to guage first team vs. second team, but it may be time to give Kush a look with the first team.

He isn't quite as athletic, but seems to be more stout.

And Parker was every bit as bad as he is made out to be by some.

Bufkin 08-09-2014 12:17 PM

I really wish we would have kept Asamoah, especially at a pube over 4 million that Atlanta paid him.

John Dope 08-09-2014 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10805380)
I am a Hudson fan, and it's hard to guage first team vs. second team, but it may be time to give Kush a look with the first team.

He isn't quite as athletic, but seems to be more stout.

And Parker was every bit as bad as he is made out to be by some.

I like Hudson to. Let's be honest though. Geno Atkins is a man among boys and maybe it's not that big of a deal? I like Kush and think he is the long term plan at center. Reid likes the big mauler types.

RunKC 08-09-2014 12:24 PM

Anyone who is judging the defense right now is a dumbass. 4 starters didn't start (though Sean Smith played).

They attacked Sorenson and Parker early. None of those guys will be counted on like that this season.

Catapano and DeVito coming back should also help this team a lot on the DL.

Mr. Laz 08-09-2014 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10805401)
Anyone who is judging the defense right now is a dumbass. 4 starters didn't start (though Sean Smith played).

They attacked Sorenson and Parker early. None of those guys will be counted on like that this season.

Catapano and DeVito coming back should also help this team a lot on the DL.

Anyone not noticing the same problems with the defense in our 1st preseason game are the same as the 2nd half of last year is a dumbass.

Anyone not noticing that our projected weakness on defense in the offseason seem to still be our weaknesses now is a dumbass.


It's only 1 preseason game but it's disappointing/disturbing.

John Dope 08-09-2014 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10805401)
Anyone who is judging the defense right now is a dumbass. 4 starters didn't start (though Sean Smith played).

They attacked Sorenson and Parker early. None of those guys will be counted on like that this season.

Catapano and DeVito coming back should also help this team a lot on the DL.

Yep and now it's time for everyone's favorite word at this time of the year..... "VANILLA!"

Marcellus 08-09-2014 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10803415)
Bronson is on the bubble to even make the team. He's not going to start. Crazy talk.

WTF would you think this? I agree he wont start.

He was the best safety on the field Thursday night.

RunKC 08-09-2014 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10805420)
Anyone not noticing the same problems with the defense in our 1st preseason game are the same as the 2nd half of last year is a dumbass.

Anyone not noticing that our projected weakness on defense in the offseason seem to still be our weaknesses now is a dumbass.


It's only 1 preseason game but it's disappointing/disturbing.

Parker is not fit to play on a starting WR and Sorenson was playing his first ever game in the pros.

I think that said more than us not fixing the problem. Let's wait and see.

OldSchool 08-09-2014 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Dope (Post 10805346)
Parker wasn't as bad as some make out imo. A couple of times the safety help was lacking. Hudson was really disappointing to me. I would add Fulton but he's a rookie. They were double teaming Atkins and getting owned. It was embarrassing.

Pretty sure that Atkins was out for the game. That was not Atkins that they were getting destroyed by.

TEX 08-09-2014 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10805420)
Anyone not noticing the same problems with the defense in our 1st preseason game are the same as the 2nd half of last year is a dumbass.

Anyone not noticing that our projected weakness on defense in the offseason seem to still be our weaknesses now is a dumbass.


It's only 1 preseason game but it's disappointing/disturbing.

Yep. It will be NEXT season's priority when it should have been a priority for THIS season. But...but...but ...Sanders Commings...:shake:

John Dope 08-09-2014 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10805784)
Yep. It will be NEXT season's priority when it should have been a priority for THIS season. But...but...but ...Sanders Commings...:shake:

I don't know man. Who were you going to get? Byrd wasn't going to happen. Ward wasn't going to happen. Pryor and Ha Ha went before we picked and we didn't have the picks to move up and get one of them. Clemons can't even move ahead of Kendrick Lewis in Houston. Maybe we could have taken Jimmy Ward in the first round but that's about it.

John Dope 08-09-2014 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10805552)
Parker is not fit to play on a starting WR and Sorenson was playing his first ever game in the pros.

I think that said more than us not fixing the problem. Let's wait and see.

I read Parker played some free safety at practice in the nickel. He played FS some in college. He might be better suited there? I'm not ready to give up on him at CB though.

htismaqe 08-09-2014 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10805521)
WTF would you think this? I agree he wont start.

He was the best safety on the field Thursday night.

Guys that stand out in preseason games get cut every year. And when I saw he's on the bubble I mean precisely that. I'm not saying he WON'T make the team, I'm saying he's competing for the 4th safety spot most likely if not lower.

farmerchief 08-09-2014 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10805521)
WTF would you think this? I agree he wont start.

He was the best safety on the field Thursday night.

i agree!:thumb:

srvy 08-09-2014 08:50 PM

Well he wont have Steve Gregory to fight for a job now :)
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...9-fa002ff18a73

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BunfzAzIUAIg8sJ.png:large

Discuss Thrower 08-09-2014 08:58 PM

The omnipotent being that antagonized Captain Picard and the crew of the Enterprise portrayed by John de Lancie is named...

John Dope 08-10-2014 06:56 AM

Did Jenkins even play?


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