Should the Texans have drafted Bortles instead of Clowney?
 

Figured I'd try my luck at one of these threads again.


Well, should they have?

Yes

New topic: Chiefs MNF Vs Patriots is the same day as the Royals in a World Series game. Which one do you watch more of?

Why was it named connect 4 instead of 4 in a row :shrug:

Nope. JC is legit. He and Watt together are gonna be something. Id draft JC over Bortles every time.

I'll be physically at both, zip lining between the two stadiums as needed.

Yes.

Dude is Luck light.

Yup....

Most Chiefs fans don't understand a QB actually can help you win games. They don't have to be someone elses trash.

Most Chiefs fans think QB is a plug and play position. Just give him the BEST OL in the NFL and GREAT receivers. And they'll be an all-star.

Who was the Bortles of last years draft?




*Crickets*

Hmmm. Let's see. We've gone 29 years since the last time the Royals were in a World Series. They may never play in another one in our lifetimes.

The Chiefs played 16 regular season games last year, and they'll play 16 this year, and 16 next year, and 16 every year after that.

Silly question.

Exactly. It doesn't do any good to want a quarterback when there isn't a decent one available.

I'd have taken Clowney.

Positional value be damned, Clowney is a generational talent.

Must be nice to limit the year to the one year the Chiefs don't draft a QB, right?

Because it doesn't have to be in a row. It can be in a column or diagonally.

Dude

Aliens

I would definitely see why since the kid has everything you look for in a Franchise QB

Its a very tight call, Clowney might just be the new Lawrence Taylor.

But comparing defensive value to QB these days is tough to do

Yeah, they were morons. Franchise QB over even a HOF DE.

No. You do not pass on a once in a lifetime caliber prospect at the second most important position in the game, unless you have a pretty badass qb prospect like Cam Newton, or Luck.

Look at the 2011 Colts vs. the 2010 Colts or the 2008 Patriots vs the 2007 Patriots.

Can you imagine a single defensive player whose absence would ever cause such a precipitous decline?

Can we not talk about that?

Way too early for this shit

Well, yeah. Aliens too. That goes without saying.

Nope. Clowney is a once in a generation talent. You'd be an idiot to pass on that.

yes

That's the night the Chiefs go for the sound record isn't it? Maybe the extra noise from the K will help out lol

The Chiefs will have plenty of Monday nights to lose to New England. The Royals might not make it back to the WS in my lifetime. Royals all the way. (Following the Chiefs getting killed via twitter)

2014 - Bortles (?)
2013 - (none)
2012 - Luck, Wilson, maybe Foles
2011 - Newton, Dalton
2010 - Bradford
2009 - Stafford
2008 - Ryan, Flacco
2007 - (none)
2006 - Cutler
2005 - Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers

So in the last 10 drafts we have about 13 guys out of a total of 54 QBs drafted in the first 3 rounds who have stuck around or look like they will be able to stick around as starters.

It's no wonder a third of the league is QB-poor, because history tells us there is usually about 1 guy in each draft who will make it. Injuries or just not being good enough will claim the rest.

It's a sucker bet, but unless you convert one you can't realistically expect to win anything.

In hindsight, yes, it looks like they should have taken Bortles. At the time of the draft, I understand why it would have been difficult to pass on a freak like Clowney.

You forgot Tannehill

Tannehill has mediocrity written all over him. He's the exact type of "franchise QB" that I've always feared. Not terrible enough to try out another quarterback for the next 10 years, but not great enough to provide consistent success.

Maybe wait until the season is over and re-visit this....

Bet the Rams feel even dumber for putting long-term faith in Bradford

For a second there, I thought you were talking about A. Smith.

They are similar in that regard.

No

Nonsense, you're talking about the extreme ends of the spectrum. Manning & Brady aren't typical QBs, they're HOFers. We're talking Blake Bortles here.



Besides, even Matt Cassel won 11 games for 2008 Patriots did he not?

As much as I like Clowney, in today's flag-football NFL, you're better off trying to get the next glory-boy quarterback who can draw favorable ref treatment than trying to build a dominant defense and settling for a game-manager QB.

No he didn't

Ramsfan leapt off the Arch last night.

No.

they should of done one of two things.

they should of moved UP one spot to grab Teddy.

Clowney and TEDDY?

Or drafted Jimmy grappalo.

I would of still taken Clowney.

he has proven to be unblockable.

Rhode Island

Neither a road nor island.

BOLDED

That's ****ing terrible.

Rhode Island was another name for Aquidneck island.

we probably should have traded back and drafted Bridgewater.

and traded Alex Smith,Jamaal Charles,Dewayne Bowe,Tamba Hali and any other veteran we could get a draft pick for

If you are going to rebuild ...

then ****ing rebuild

If Clowney ends up with 180 sacks he still wouldn't be as valuable to a team as Phil Rivers, even if he's a much better football player. That's just the way the game is played.

Pretty much.

Absolutely...

Don't mean to be a stick in the mud, but aren't World Series games in October?

Yes

You bastard.

No, Bortles would just lose games for them. He has thrown 2 INTs in every game that he has played so far.

They should tank for Mariota though.

I'd rather draft Bortles than read another DeBerg thread

Is this post serious? It seems like it is, but I can't believe anybody is that stupid.

Alex Smith Cult Member

So Bortles doesn't have 6 INTs in 3 games?:)

Oh, I'm aware and they are an odd bunch which if why I wasn't 100% sure if he was trolling with the writing off Bortles stuff or really that dumb.

No. When these guys are on the field healthy together, it is going to be Mayhem. People will get hurt.

1.1 seemed way too high for Bortles. I don't think he is the best QB prospect in the draft, but who knows?

FIXED THAT for you.

No. But they should of drafted jimmy groppalo with the first pick in the second.

Yah... I fixed that over two months ago.

Gotta love the Alexsexuals. When a young potential franchise QB like Bortles throws picks on an absolute garbage team, it's all his fault, but when their beloved Alex throws picks on stacked teams, then it's all the coach and the recievers' faults.

Kaepernick ---- 60.7% completions, 4.8% TDs, 1.9% Ints, 93.3 passer rating in 32 starts.

Cam Newton -- 59.9% completions, 4.3% TDs, 2.7% Ints, 87.1 passer rating in 53 starts.

Andy Dalton -- 61.1% completions, 4.8% TDs, 2.9% Ints, 86.6 passer rating in 55 starts.

Ryan Tannehill - not worth the bother to post



Kaepernick is the best QB drafted in 2011. He performs the best with the least experience, 20 less starts than the other two.



And that is just stats, not the intangibles.

Biggest comeback victory in the history of the NFC Conference Championship game.

Longest rushing TD by a QB in the super bowl.

Longest run from scrimmage by a QB in a playoff game.

Most rushing yards from scrimmage by a QB in a playoff game.

Gotta love Alex haters, no one gave Alex a pass then. He was very much bashed because the majority of fans then wanted the local kid Rodgers.

He got no passes.

And pointing out exactly what Bortles is doing is just what it is. Facts.


And when was alex Smith ever on a stacked team? Ever!

Dumbass. Tannenhill wasn't in that ****ing draft reerun.

He was given the "offensive coordinator" excuse every single season.

2011 and 2012.

That's not an excuse. That's a logical reason for a qb to struggle. Being drafted to a shit team and having too much pressure is a reason, not an excuse.

The 2011, 2012 offenses were not stacked. Secondly, um he didn't throw many ints at all. So you fail there boss.

Yeah, but if Clowney works out, imagine having both those guys in your pass rush. Pretty scary.

Don't forget the 5 tight ends!

No but they should have drafted Guarapolo instead of a guard round 2

Yup

LOL Why does everyone seem to struggle spelling Garoppolo?

I'm on my phone.....

Bortles is the new Roethlisberger and nothing you say can change that, I'd trade away my whole flippin draft for that guy.

Too much talent and potential for KC.

Do not want.

LMAO I love the idea of Bray developing into something as much as anyone not named Tomahawk... but yeah, I'd trade all 4 of our guys for Bortles.