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eDave 10-22-2014 11:52 PM

Yost - Managing a NL game
 
Curious to see what he does without a DH. Royals are a NL team otherwise. A key to the series in SF IMO. Bench going to get some work.

007 10-22-2014 11:58 PM

Didn't he used to be a NL manager anyway?

Plus, with our pitching stable we will see the PH from the 5th on when its the pitchers turn to hit.

Mr. Flopnuts 10-23-2014 12:03 AM

How much does this affect the Royals in regards to the Giants pitchers have batted all year, and the Royals pitchers may not have 10 AB's combined?

kcxiv 10-23-2014 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 11042903)
How much does this affect the Royals in regards to the Giants pitchers have batted all year, and the Royals pitchers may not have 10 AB's combined?

Only have to worry about BumGarner as a hitting pitcher, dude can rake. Yall, probably wont see him until game 5 though.

Mr. Flopnuts 10-23-2014 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 11042907)
Only have to worry about BumGarner as a hitting pitcher, dude can rake. Yall, probably wont see him until game 5 though.

Jesus, the dude can do it all huh?

Silock 10-23-2014 12:23 AM

Doesn't matter if Bumgarner can hit . . . we aren't winning a game he pitches, anyway.

The way our DH has been playing, though, it's not like we'll really be missing much when a pitcher has to bat. I've heard Vargas was a pretty good hitter, though.

SPchief 10-23-2014 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 11042903)
How much does this affect the Royals in regards to the Giants pitchers have batted all year, and the Royals pitchers may not have 10 AB's combined?

Our pitchers will bat a combined 9 times at most in the 3 games. If they're batting more, I like our chances of winning.

duncan_idaho 10-23-2014 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 11042903)
How much does this affect the Royals in regards to the Giants pitchers have batted all year, and the Royals pitchers may not have 10 AB's combined?

Thankfully, they're still pitchers, so when they stand at the plate with a bat in their hands, what they're doing can really only loosely be defined as "hitting."

Even a guy like Tim Hudson - who was a good enough hitter in college to DH and play some CF - has spent so little time honing those skills over the course of his career, he's basically an automatic out at this point.

And two of the guys the Royals will be throwing - Vargas and Shields - are actually good athletes who can hold their own "hitting" with just about any pitcher around (Bumgarner is a different type of animal).

SPchief 10-23-2014 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 11042919)
The way our DH has been playing, though, it's not like we'll really be missing much when a pitcher has to bat. .

:spock:

duncan_idaho 10-23-2014 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 11042919)
Doesn't matter if Bumgarner can hit . . . we aren't winning a game he pitches, anyway.

The way our DH has been playing, though, it's not like we'll really be missing much when a pitcher has to bat. I've heard Vargas was a pretty good hitter, though.

Not sure if serious?

Butler's numbers aren't jumping off the page at you, but he's been a steady producer and has delivered several key hits, including two tonight.

Mr. Flopnuts 10-23-2014 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11042922)
Thankfully, they're still pitchers, so when they stand at the plate with a bat in their hands, what they're doing can really only loosely be defined as "hitting."

Even a guy like Tim Hudson - who was a good enough hitter in college to DH and play some CF - has spent so little time honing those skills over the course of his career, he's basically an automatic out at this point.

And two of the guys the Royals will be throwing - Vargas and Shields - are actually good athletes who can hold their own "hitting" with just about any pitcher around (Bumgarner is a different type of animal).

That's great!

Silock 10-23-2014 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11042925)
Not sure if serious?

Butler's numbers aren't jumping off the page at you, but he's been a steady producer and has delivered several key hits, including two tonight.

Sure, but it's not like he's a REALLY dangerous hitter. Would I rather have him hitting than a pitcher? Absolutely. But it's not like we're missing Mike Trout out there.

Mav 10-23-2014 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 11042911)
Jesus, the dude can do it all huh?

He hit two grand slams this year. 4 homers

lewdog 10-23-2014 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 11042945)
Sure, but it's not like he's a REALLY dangerous hitter. Would I rather have him hitting than a pitcher? Absolutely. But it's not like we're missing Mike Trout out there.

Stick to the fitness thread man.

Way off here.

Silock 10-23-2014 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11044350)
Stick to the fitness thread man.

Way off here.

How so? He's been good lately, but he's just as likely to be the guy who went hitless against the Angels as the guy we saw last night. Or the guy who grounds into another double play.

I like him. I just don't think he's a super valuable DH. Maybe I'm wrong. But I hope I'm not, because we will need everyone to pick up the slack while he's on the bench, and I think it's very doable.

lewdog 10-23-2014 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 11044530)
How so? He's been good lately, but he's just as likely to be the guy who went hitless against the Angels as the guy we saw last night. Or the guy who grounds into another double play.

I like him. I just don't think he's a super valuable DH. Maybe I'm wrong. But I hope I'm not, because we will need everyone to pick up the slack while he's on the bench, and I think it's very doable.

"The way our DH has been playing, though, it's not like we'll really be missing much when a pitcher has to bat. I've heard Vargas was a pretty good hitter, though."

You're comparing a below average DH but one who still can have timely hits (and has), some for extra bases and some power to an AL pitcher who won't do anything.

That's a huge difference, so yes, we will be missing much.

tk13 10-23-2014 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 11042911)
Jesus, the dude can do it all huh?

He had 4 HRs and a .755 OPS this year.

Simply Red 10-23-2014 07:11 PM

Ned Yost is a phenomenal manager.

BigRedChief 10-23-2014 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11042894)
Didn't he used to be a NL manager anyway?

Plus, with our pitching stable we will see the PH from the 5th on when its the pitchers turn to hit.

Your team reminds of the Whiteyball teams of the 80's. Speed/Defense/Pitching rules the day.

Having Billay out will hurt but they have to bat a pitcher too. The problem is that their pitchers hit pretty well, for pitchers anyway.

Silock 10-23-2014 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11044682)
"The way our DH has been playing, though, it's not like we'll really be missing much when a pitcher has to bat. I've heard Vargas was a pretty good hitter, though."

You're comparing a below average DH but one who still can have timely hits (and has), some for extra bases and some power to an AL pitcher who won't do anything.

That's a huge difference, so yes, we will be missing much.

I still don't think so. 2 ABs a game and we don't know how good our pitchers really are. They probably aren't worse than the Giants'.

CoMoChief 10-23-2014 10:25 PM

Butler at first ....Hosmer at 2B

Wont happen....but I think Hosmer has the glove, range, and athleticism to play the position. If Infante can do it...Hosmer should be able to as well w/ a little practice.

But this is something I would have tried in spring training or interleague play. I wouldn't experiment doing this in the WS.

Hootie 10-23-2014 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 11045532)
Butler at first ....Hosmer at 2B

Wont happen....but I think Hosmer has the glove, range, and athleticism to play the position. If Infante can do it...Hosmer should be able to as well w/ a little practice.

But this is something I would have tried in spring training or interleague play. I wouldn't experiment doing this in the WS.

You wanna play a ****ing lefty at 2nd base eh?

Holy ****ing shit lmao only Como

Post of the year here, folks

tk13 10-23-2014 10:29 PM

No way. Even with it making us worse defensively, yadda yadda... the biggest deal breaker is Hosmer throws LH. You couldn't put him at 2B.

Hootie 10-23-2014 10:31 PM

The last lefty to play 2nd base was Don Mattingly in 1983 - the completion of the pine tar game !!!

It's a sign!

Hootie 10-23-2014 10:32 PM

I think Como should be our next manager with penbook as our bench coach. We'd, uh ... well

tk13 10-23-2014 10:35 PM

That actually made me morbidly curious. There have only been 5 instances of a LH throwing MLB fielder playing 2B since 1950. Not five second basemen, it's only happened in five games.

The last time it happened, believe it or not, was Don Mattingly against the Royals in 1983. He moved to 2B for the 9th inning of the pine tar game.

Hootie 10-23-2014 10:36 PM

Q

Reaper16 10-23-2014 10:38 PM

This is the most CoMo that has ever CoMo'd.

tk13 10-23-2014 10:38 PM

Maybe, but at least I don't worship Peyton Manning.

Hootie 10-23-2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11045567)
Maybe, but at least I don't worship Peyton Manning.

I did it before it was popular

Hootie 10-23-2014 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 11045566)
This is the most CoMo that has ever CoMo'd.

well he answered the age old question of, "what's the dumbest idea a non baseball fan can come up with while bandwagoning onto a baseball team in the World Series?"

That's right! Put a gold glove left handed 1st baseman at 2nd base so it can completely eliminate any double plays and him making any plays to his right so that we can play the worst defender at baseball at 1st so we can have his whopping .700 OPS in the lineup!!!! All the while making us the 1st team in probably 100 years to actually start a left handed player at an infield position other than 1st base or pitcher.

Como, ladies and gentleman

tk13 10-23-2014 10:52 PM

Looking closer, that stat gets even more bizarre. There's really only 3 actual appearances in the field since 1950, and even including Mattingly, none of them were a whole inning.

1) In 1958, Cincinnati Reds 1B George Crowe moved to 2B for one batter in the 2nd inning by switching positions with the second baseman to defend a sac bunt. Those two guys actually pulled off a double play, then switched back to their normal positions.

2) In 1970, Indians pitcher Sam McDowell moved to 2B for one batter so a reliever could finish the 8th inning, then McDowell moved back to pitch the 9th.

3) In 1973, A's first baseman/pinch hitter Gonzalo Marquez started two consecutive road games batting 2nd in the order as the listed 2B. But after batting in the top of the first, he was removed for a defensive replacement in the bottom of the first both times. So he actually never saw the field, but he was a LH thrower at 2B in the lineup.

Baseball is crazy.

Hootie 10-23-2014 10:57 PM

I just ...

wellll...

haha

It's only truly funny because it was CoMo

SPchief 10-23-2014 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 11045532)
Butler at first ....Hosmer at 2B

Wont happen....but I think Hosmer has the glove, range, and athleticism to play the position. If Infante can do it...Hosmer should be able to as well w/ a little practice.

But this is something I would have tried in spring training or interleague play. I wouldn't experiment doing this in the WS.

LMAO LMAO LMAO I'm in tears

C3HIEF3S 10-24-2014 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 11045532)
Butler at first ....Hosmer at 2B

Wont happen....but I think Hosmer has the glove, range, and athleticism to play the position. If Infante can do it...Hosmer should be able to as well w/ a little practice.

But this is something I would have tried in spring training or interleague play. I wouldn't experiment doing this in the WS.

:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

This guy. This ****ing guy. **** no.

kcxiv 10-24-2014 03:14 AM

Damnnear impossible for a lefty to play 2nd lol. I'm a lefty and there is no way. I did play some short and 3rd base but that was a softbal lleague lmao

ChiTown 10-24-2014 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11045554)
That actually made me morbidly curious. There have only been 5 instances of a LH throwing MLB fielder playing 2B since 1950. Not five second basemen, it's only happened in five games.

The last time it happened, believe it or not, was Don Mattingly against the Royals in 1983. He moved to 2B for the 9th inning of the pine tar game.

Here's a link for lefties playing: Catcher, 3B, SS and 2B

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10835


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