Compensatory picks. Kendrick Lewis for the win!
 

Right now, branden Albert, asamoah, and Tyson Jackson have cemented themselves as starters. Kendrick Lewis is the wild card as he is actually playing a lot in Houston. Factor in that there are several cut players who raise the chiefs' lost value... Demps and mccluster are getting lots of snaps, and Schwartz was a projected starter.

Compare that to who the Chiefs gained. I would bet Mauga, Owens, and mcglynn were added too late. And mays and walker have barely played. Think we will be very pleased with our draft haul.

What?

Started drinking early I see

We should have to give Houston a pick for compensation.

Why the **** do you even care?

U want boogers?

Drugs are bad

Throw away an offseason for comp picks

WooWoo

There is an entire thread on an unlikely trade for chase Daniel for probably a second day pick, yet we shouldn't care that we will get 4 picks?

Playing time is a major factor in deciding comp picks. We all know kendrick Lewis is terrible but he is going to get over 100 tackles as a starter.

Given how much we've improved, we will end up with a cleaner cap and 4 extra draft picks. I'd say that's a pretty big deal.

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FYP...

Dumbass checking in...what the hell are compensatory picks, when do you get them? The regular draft, or the supplemental draft?

I can't look at how this team is performing the last 5 or 6 weeks and believe Dorsey made any major personnel mistakes this off season but to each their own I guess.

I guess the Ford pick over a WR doesn't look good right now but that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread so its really not relevant to this discussion.

Draft picks given for free agent players lost.

There's a whole equation the NFL uses to determine who deserves what round and how many. As far as I know the exact formula has never been released.

It's generally understood that it's starting FA's lost - starting FA's gained = X draft pick/s.

The highest is a 3rd and they're given out at the end of every round...

so then no WR,LG or Secondary help needed?



Dorsey should just give Reid his salary and call it even.

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9-7

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When you cut players and payroll, add 4 draft picks, clean up your long term cap, and get much better... That's not a 9-7 strategy. A 9-7 strategy would have been panicking by spending money just because it was available.

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Lets see, I addressed the WR part, LG help? No not seeing the absolute need, and as far as the secondary we are 2nd in pass defense and 10th in overall defense and we should get Berry back soon. Top that off with losing DJ and I would have to say our depth isn't too horrible. We get Mays back soon too. Oh yea we are the only team in the NFL yet to surrender a rushing TD. (I guess that offsets our WR TD drought).

We have played Manning, Brady, and Rivers in half our games so its not like we are feasting on shit QB's again.

I mean yea, I would love to have all pro talent at every position if we can figure out how to make that work but aside from Denver that doesn't seem to be plausible.

Wasted off season? I don't see how. Completely mis-evaluated off-season sounds closer to the truth to me.

Its ok to admit that Dorsey may know more about football than CP, its not a bad thing.

Dont know how much longer Kendrick will be starting for the Texans. The media is starting to notice his lack of cover skills and his consistency in letting WR's get behind him...ROFL

Haha, as long as he gets us a pick. Can you imagine even getting a 7th round pick for that shit stain?

Cutting players based only on salary, not filling any of those holes with legitimate starters, drafting b/u's in the first round is a 9-7 strategy.

We made no attempt to improve any position in free agency. We lost starters in free agency...

Anybody else see we just lost another LB off our PS to the Bucs?

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...le3325748.html

When was the last time we had 2 PS players snatched up by other teams?

Both LB's too.

That is somewhat of a positive sign concerning depth.

Not really.

The Bucs aren't very good...

All that and yet were better than we were last year.

It's a dumb argument

In what way is .500 better than last year?

How is 3-3 better than 6-0?

I really want to hear this...

If you've watched every game this year and have come to the conclusion that the Chiefs aren't much improved over last year, there's no reason for us to have this conversation.

They've played the toughest schedule in the afc up to this point and could/should be 5-1.

A year after playing one of the all time easiest schedules and beating up on backup qbs. They didn't have a single win last year that was against a better team than their 3 wins this year.

Again, bitching just to bitch

We lost to the exact same team we beat last year. That team's record this year is 2-5. We're one of their 2 wins.

You keep saying this team is better. Other than the obvious suck that was Lewis at what position are we "better" this year?

Our line is worse. Our WR's and QB are exactly the same. So are our HBs.

Our defense sure as hell isn't better with DJ out for the year and Berry gone for half our games.

Literally none of the numbers used to determine any of this quantitatively, agree with any of the stuff you just said.
Save for the Titans loss, which is looking more and more like an outlier.

pass the doobie, i need some of that

The Titans are not the same team they were last year. And teams lose games that they should win all of the time. It's how football is.

Last year, we got to the playoffs on what we know was a patty cake schedule. We all know we were watching a shit offense and as the second half of the season plugged along, realized out defense was not at all good.

This year, our offense looks solid. Our defense looks solid. That is a significant improvement over the shit stain we saw throughout much of last year. That's improvement.

I don't think it's enough improvement. I agree this is still a 9-7 team. But that's pretty impressive for a team everyone on here claimed took a huge step backwards.

More importantly, it's clear as day that the Chiefs lost that game because they were unprepared, not because of talent.

Quoted these for the OP so that he doesn't focus too much on how well a guy is playing, or if he's playing, but also because there are determinations for Salary size, and most importantly of all, whether or not the "pick" team was able to land comparable talent in Free Agency.

Those signings were as follows.
The ones in bold are the only ones I see really stirring up any trouble for us in the compensatory draft picks meeting, and those additions, go up against the following.
So, obviously with those names seen, we're getting picks, and one could argue that we lost 4 guys worth a 3rd round compensatory pick based on production, or their original draft pick and games played (tyson jackson as an example).

Obviously that's not going to happen, but you can, and often, will see picks awarded twice in the same round as we saw last year multiple times.

At this point, I think we're guaranteed at least 3 selections of 3rd to 5th round values. Losing Albert should gain a 3rd rounder, especially since he was a starter and was drafted here, and made solid money on the market. The same could be said for Asamoah and Schwartz with 4th and 5th round "floor" marks, as high as two 3rds IMO. Tyson Jackson, a former first rounder and starter "should" yield a 3rd rounder, but he's tyson jackson so we'll probably have to give our 7th just to forget that name here in KC. McCluster was like a 3rd round pick or something and statistically had "significant" production here in KC and signed a fairly decent contract himself, though I consider him the talent "runt" of the bunch, his contract, draft selection, and production should weigh enough in my mind to balance our compensatory selections against this years' additions to give us a 4th selection in the 6th round.

I think we're likely going to see 3 picks in the 3-5th rounds, and an extra pick in the 6th round here "if" we get the 4th selection and don't get shafted by the Mauga/McGlynn pickups.

I'd like to believe that Albert, Asamoah, Schwartz, and Jackson are our basis points here for the compensatory selections as we all but failed to replace all of them (whether they were needed or not) and have talents and contracts high enough to award two 3rds and two 4ths, but here in this day of the NFL, I'll assume something closer to 3rd, two 4ths, and a 6th when they close those talks in marchish.

Rausch is the same guy that said they had no shot of beating the Chargers so....

Well, it fits right into what Dorsey has been preaching. 11 picks next year and cap room sounds good as long as he can hit on 4-5 of those

Last year we lost by 1 point, on the road, in the playoffs.

This year we likely won't get there. I'm sure 9-7 in this division won't get us there.

I'm not saying this team is terrible. I'm saying this team could have been 11-5 again with just one or two STARTING LEVEL players added.

A possession receiver. A respectable G. A CB to come in and challenge our no 2...

I'm pretty sure that any deals after June 1 are handled differently. So most of those chiefs additions are irrelevant. Also, resigning players doesn't impact compensatory. So we are still in a stage where we gave up a shitload and only acquired a few.

So if it's at the end of every round, does that mean that somebody LOST some picks to make up for these, or they're just added on, meaning that every draft there is a different number of players taken depending on how many compensatory picks were awarded?

I'm fairly certain there's going to be some kind of section for post-June1's in their "super secret" formula, alas, I believe there's also some kind of addition to the formula for guys acquired in free agency for depth, who step up and play well in the absence of the starters (Mauga as an example) and for guys who have little to no impact due to injury (Mays as an example).

Obviously the Compensatory selection formula is proprietary and we will never "know" about it, we can just speculate purely on the "rules" they have let public to us, like the ones I quoted in the previous post.

Ideally, this formula says "Oh ****, they lost Albert, Schwartz, Asamoah, Jackson, AND McCluster?", "Better give them two 3rds and two 4ths".

More importantly, we're competing in losses, against the other teams that also failed to "bring in" more talent than those that had left, and with only 32 total compensatory selections available, the elbow room can be a little lacking, but from what I remember from the off season, there should be about 9 teams "out" of the compensatory rulings, assuming they can fill 32 draft picks (and they can), and of those remaining 23 teams or so, only a handful of them will be receiving multiple picks, the Chiefs included.

Its for this reason that I truly believe we will only receive 3 of the 32 compensatory selections, instead of 4, but I truly wish that the NFL sees how much talent we lost at the Offensive Line and awards us the 4th and also gives us "equal" compensation for those losses, instead of just saying "oh, well, they get 4 picks anyways, stuff them in the back". Instead of seeing 3 of the top 10 linemen in the league at their respected positions departing this team.

They are added at the ends of rounds 3 through 7. Nobody loses picks, and there will always be 32 "compensatory" selection positions to fill, which get filled based on losses and draft priority if I'm not mistaken.

Not the source I quoted last year but it's got the basics down.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...st-projections

You're been here 11 years... The ****? :D

I am high even though I am the one using factual evidence to support my belief?

Cool! Roll me up another one and I will get you some more facts instead of silly rehashed comments that you favor so much.

So you don't actually watch the games you just look at the standings each week?

I bet you are one of the guys who complained we didn't beat any decent teams last year and only beat bad QB's. Am I right?

Oh yea, and Happy Birthday!

No.

I haven't missed a game since 93.

And no.

I was one of those guys saying that the only reason we lost that playoff game was stupidity by the coaching staff and players doing things like going out of bounds with a huge lead...or Smith hiking the ball with over 15 seconds on the play clock...or not running the ball more.

Fat Andy is frustrating. He's conservative when we need to take a chance and takes risks when we should be conservative.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...eadline-deals/
"After June 1, free-agency acquisitions don’t count toward the compensatory pick calculation, either for the player’s former team or his new team." And Again, Abdullah and other "re-signed" players don't count.

The Chiefs will get a high pick for Albert. Mid-level pick for Asamoah and Tyson Jackson. And should get a 6th or 7th for everyone else they lost which would include McCluster and Lewis who are both starting. Those are high dollar players, they're all starting, and none of them can be neutralized by a player we signed.

We need to start developing Latin talent like the royals

I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.

We upgraded at DE by letting Tyson Jackson walk while promoting Bailey, who is a clear upgrade. All while saving 4 million.

We upgraded from McCluster to Thomas and saved another 4 million by spending a late round pick.

We upgraded from Kendrick Lewis to Parker and saved a bunch of money while putting a guy back thare that teams don't want to test on deep routes.

Akeem Jordan to Mauga and JMJ...no question those are upgrades.

Eric Fisher is coming along nicely and is starting to show flashes of why he was so sought after...I still wish we could have kept Albert, but I understand that in a salary capped league, you can't keep everyone.

Abdullah was the best value free agent in the nfl.

Gaines didn't allow a pass to be completed to his man and prevented 2 scores.

I wish we could have kept Asamoah because he could have helped at RG, but again...it's a salary capped league. Paying guys like Asamoah 4/yr would have kept us from being able to keep someone like Houston long term.

I think saying he say on his hands and wasted this offseason is silly.

Even counting the net addition of Alex Smith's contract, we essentially saved $20M, will probably get 4 comp picks, and got not just a little better but a lot better.

And that's not even factoring in that we have defensive 2 pro bowlers sitting on the injury list right now.

I had never read that about June1, NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We're going to for sure land 4 compensatory selections then, as I don't believe any team in this league even comes close to losing what we've lost.

How does Schwartz fit into the deal though? He doesn't fall under the "previous year signed, then released" clause, does he count? Because if he does that should jump over McCluster or Lewis, yes? I'd think that's 1 high, 3 mids then.

Two words, Rookie.......Kicker.......

I agree with most of this, not all of it, but most of it. Especially the parts about the "hidden" upgrades there in the departure of McCluster and Jackson.

My math:

Brandon Albert gets a fat contract + no signed replacement (Fisher) = 3rd rounder

Tyson Jackson gets a really good contract + Vance Walker signed for $20m less and hardly plays = 4th rounder, maybe 5th

Jon Asamoah gets a really good contract + cheap scrap heap deal for Linkenbach = 4th rounder, maybe 5th

Geoff Schwartz gets a good contract + no signed replacement (Fulton) = 5th, maybe 6th

McCluster gets a good contract + no signed replacement (Thomas) = 5th rounder, maybe 6th.

Lewis and Demps get regular playing time, but we get similar playing time out of Coleman, so I'm guessing that's a wash...

Best case scenario, we get a 3rd, two 4ths, and a 5th.

I'm guessing we get a 3rd, a 4th, a 5th, and a 6th.

The only player from that bunch that we're really missing is Schwartz, as Fulton doesn't quite fill the void.

Everybody else we've largely replaced. We've lost out on TJax's excellent runblocking but the passrushing we get from virtually anybody who lines up at this spot (Bailey/Howard/Vickerson) is far better.

It should be noted that for the "thrown away" draft season, we're actually better this year than we were last year.

Plus we're going to have 11 draft picks for next year.

The players the Chiefs lost signed combined contracts of $100m more than what the newly signed Chiefs cost.

AND WE'RE BETTER.

Dorsey, balling out.

This isn't entirely wrong.

Dorsey has been shopping exclusively out of the bargain bin for a year now, and Reid has been the one making it work.

I wonder how Nico's doing in Cincy.

This is wrong...just full of $3it.

AND stupid...

**** me.

I'm way drunk on my mah' B day and...

Its your birthday, you should be happy.

If someone came in here in pre-season and told you that this team would not have De'Anthony Thomas for the first month of the season, they would lose Derrick Johnson and Mike DeVito for the season in the opener, they would lose Charles for the Broncos and Dolphins games, and that Berry would be out from the Broncos game through the Chargers game and highly questionable for the Rams, this place would have ****ing imploded.

0-6!! 0-6!!

Hell, some of you ****ers were doing that anyway.

This is a much better team than we had last season, and much of it is due to the smashmouth offense we have been running. Sutton's crew looks a helluva lot better when they only have to be on the field 5 minutes of a 3rd quarter.

Coaching, not lack of talent has cost us in the games we lost. We have the talent on the field to win any game on our schedule, and that is a credit to John Dorsey.

What has been done with that talent is out of his hands. When Andy elects to ignore Jamaal Charles, you get embarrassed in your own stadium 26-10 by the likes of the Tennessee Titans.

When you know that Peyton Manning has scored on two separate drives of 80+yards on your defense, and instead of trying to keep the football on 4th and short in Broncos territory and you elect to play the ****ing field position game, KNOWING FULL WELL IT ISNT GOING TO MATTER, you find yourself desperate for the tie on the last play of the game instead of being in the lead, or playing for the win at the end.

When you have 2nd and Inches with Charles and Davis shredding a defense, and you elect to call 3 straight passes and fail to convert, when you elect not to try to keep the football on 4th and 4 in 49er territory because you want to protect SIXTEEN ****ING YARDS OF FIELD POSITION, and when you completely abandon your running game after breaking the biggest ground gain of the season, you lose a close football game that you should have won by two ****ing scores.

This is the state of the Kansas City Chiefs. The talent to beat anyone, despite major injuries to elite players, and the coaching staff cant figure out how to simply use the best players on the field that they have.

Im willing to concede a little shell shock in the Titans game losing DJ and DeVito combined with a complete lack of being ready for the regular season. KC shit the bed in the opener, and did not play like they have played the past five games.

This team should be 5-1 right now, and that sits squarely on the shoulders of Andy Reid. John Dorsey is not the cause of the struggles of this team.

We're sitting at .500 with some struggling teams on the docket. We're 1-1 in the division, winning a huge road game in SD and losing a game nobody on earth expected the Chiefs to win in Denver, and that one went down to the wire.

The Kansas City Chiefs are a damn good team. If the Coaching Staff shows up without their heads planted firmly up their asses each week, we're going to the playoffs easily.

Are there morons who think this team would be significantly better with the guys we lost?

Albert is the only one that hurt, and Flowers was a cap move that most of this forum supported... mostly for stupid reasons.

Fans on this forum bitching about losing talent in a season where we lost 1 good player along with Tyson Jackson, Dexter McCluster, and Schwartz kinda makes me think those bitching are ****ing morons.

Getting comp picks for those clowns is a coup. 'Throwing away the season'... yeah. If only we had McCluster, Jackson, and Kendrick Lewis we'd be slaying it. Dumbasses. I can't believe people are still clinging to that narrative.