Should we start Dyson in game 3
 

Aoki has done nothing this postseason batting wise. He is a major defensive liability especially in San Fran where RF is a bit interesting. You move Cain over to RF and have the best outfield in all of baseball. You move Infante up to the 2 spot and have Dyson hit 7th.

Dyson needs to be used as a pinch runner later in the game. That has won us multiple games this postseason. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

Aoki is much better at the plate than Dyson
Aoki isn't a bad outfielder
Dyson isn't a great outfielder

To me, the drop-off in offense is greater than the improvement in defense.

No. We shouldn't.

Just like we shouldn't have started Colon over Moose for the Wild Card game.

No.

P.S. Penbrook, the genius and liar that he is, has said repeatedly that he never said he wanted Colon to start 3rd in the Wild Card game. He said twice that he said he wanted Colon to start at 2nd. Me, being the asshole that I am, knew that he was lying so I went and found the post:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....6&postcount=16

This was in the "Guess Ned's Wild Card Lineup."

He also added several posts on this topic including even advocating Jayson Nix to start at 3rd because of his BVP against Lester.

Nope. If all works out as planned, he enters in the 6th to pinch run and play D.

Dyson is a much better player than Aoki. He should always start over him.

No.

...But Billy should play 1B and Hosmer to RF. :^)

Aoki's edge was in his bat. That edge has, at least for now, disappeared. With the difficult outfield at AT&T Park, I would personally start Dyson in CF, Cain in RF.

Escobar SS
Cain RF
Hosmer 1B
Perez C
Gordon LF
Infante 2B
Moose 3B
Dyson CF
Pitcher

I'd only start Aoki against MadBum because of his ridiculous splits against LHP.

Aoki at least has good plate discipline. In the Baltimore and LA series, even when he wasn't getting hits, he at least took a lot of walks and stretched out his at-bats decently. If we can get him to return to that, that's far better than just outright starting Dyson

I'm more worried about Alex Gordon at the plate than I am the Aoki/Dyson spot. That dude has gone ice cold recently.

Aoki is not as good versus righties as Dyson is. Dyson would have a great opportunity to get on base and be disruptive against Hudson.

I agree, but you can't take him out of LF.

Yes. Do it. Now.

Right. I wasn't suggesting that.

Aoki should be fine in the smaller RF area at their park. You worry about our guys being able to play the winds there, supposedly they can really take a ball. Don't you need a coat if you're sitting on one side of the stadium and not the other, because of the bay?

Anyway, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

You guys are nuts.

I hope Hos settles down at the plate and stops swinging at dirt pitches on the first throw by the pitcher.

Gordon? What happened to his bat? He needs to get it going in this series and stop popping up with guys on base.

Glad to see Sal hitting again. I think we will miss Butler- maybe he can come in for Hos if he doesn't stop swinging at the first pitch every time.

All in all I think we win this thing!!

If butler plays one inning in the field that isn't injury related then Ned truly is a dipshit.

Has he even played anything else besides 1st base? Ever?

Billy has been doing pretty damn good this postseason. Series might be 0-2 if Billy hadn't kept us in that game the first 6 innings. It might not be a bad idea to put him on the field so he can bat 3+ times these next 3 games.

Stupid thread is stupid

Actually, it's not. Whether you agree with it or not is the real question - obviously you don't:evil:

Uh...Yes, he is.

Aoki had a couple of great swings last night that unfortunately were hit right to fielders. This happens. Just leave shit well enough alone.

A lot of the reason why we are here is Aoki catching fire at the end of the season.

I don't think you change a whole heck of a lot when you have won 9 out of 10 games.

Soren and Rany covered it well today. I think it would be a good move, but I won't be upset if Yost keeps it as is.

Probably a 90% chance Aoki starts in RF.

He's been cold for 2 months. He hit .190 over the month of September.
At least his few hits in the playoffs have scored some runs, and he does draw some walks, but it does seem like his extended slump isn't mentioned much.

Salvy is hitting .146 in the playoffs.
Maybe move Billy to catcher to keep his bat in the lineup?

/I won't be surprised if I see this suggestion

12K's in 34 AB's in the Post Season is really bad. Not good when he's one of the main guys you are counting on to make contact.

Comparing that to the Dyson suggestion means that you are just being an asshole.

I'm not. And I'm not arguing for Aoki like it's some no-brainer. In another thread someone posted their splits against righties. Dyson was actually the better hitter.

Anyway, in this and a couple other threads, I see people desperately trying to get Butler in the lineup--putting him at 1B and moving Hos to RF for example. I was making fun at that.

I wouldn't be upset. You have Gore as your pinch runner if needed.

10-4

Unless someone get's injured (Hosmer) Butler will get 3 AB's in SF - all pinch hitting. He's a massive liability in the field

He's a much better defensive player. Aoki is a much better overall player on offense, even with this recent slump. His play in the 2nd half of the season is one of the biggest reasons we made the playoffs.

I agree. I think the suggestions to move Hos to RF to get Billy in the lineup are nuts. Hence, my absurd "suggestion" to have Billy replace Salvy.

When he went 11-13 in the WhiteSox series - that was one of the more incredible things I have ever witnessed in baseball.

Keep in mind this is from a bandwagon fan who has only seen the post season games...

Gordon hasn't hit worth shit since he got hit in the head with that pitch. The next night he struck out 3 times I believe. That was when I wondered if he was seeing okay or if he might be having issues related with the fast ball upside the head.

Hosmer? The only bad AB he's had to my memory in the WS was his second AB in Game 1. Last night he showed incredible patience and pitch selection.

Hosmer and Cain are dialed in right now.

Dyson, with extended time, gets exposed as a defensive liability because of his lack of instincts, numbers at present be damned.

The wind could destroy Aoki


He has problems judging the ball as it is

Yes. The more Dyson plays the better

You need to get off that, man. You're just wrong.

You've been saying it for years it's just one of those things you need to drop because, ya know, it's just incorrect

u sure it wasn't a tweet?


Also, how can we even question ned at this point? Whatever he wants to do is golden

Dyson is elite, and a credible case could be made he's the best defender in the entire game.

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No. Dyson is the furthest thing from a defensive liability. He is an elite defender. The guy gets to everything. More playing time will sharpen his instincts.

I don't have a strong opinion either way as to whether or not he starts (I would start him), but to pretend that he shouldn't play over Aoki because we would be sacrificing defense is ridiculous. Dyson makes diving catches. Aoki keeps falling down for no apparent reason.

Dyson is fun to watch in the outfield, but best defender in the entire game?

Nope.

I have been defending Dyson for pretty much my whole time here. There are a few people who for some reason cannot accept that Dyson is a pretty good player with real value. I remember when we were playing the Dodgers (I think) this season the argument was endless in a game thread about him. I believe the next day Dyson hit his home run.

I am fine with Aoki...putting Dyson in RF smells like throwing a couple screen passes and a reverse to Dante Hall and then all the sudden he sucks at the return game

That play was based upon unsustainable batted ball luck. He had something like a .445 BABIP in September and the guy is a ground ball hitter. That is absolutely ridiculously lucky.

Even with that finish his wRC was 104, which means he was a roughly league average hitter and he's a poor defensive OF.

In SF you patrol a huge CF with the quirkiest RF in baseball. You need someone with tremendous speed and instincts to avoid blunders in the OF.

While Aoki may give you a slight advantage at the plate, that's the only place where he does it, and he doesn't have the ability to routinely get enough XBH to overcome the ability that Dyson does to save runs in the field (noticed by his ridiculous DRS and UZR ratings), nor is he as good on the paths.

Moreover, if you want someone solely for the purpose of being a PR, you use Gore.

The argument to use Dyson as a PR is not all that different from saying that the Giants should use Hunter Pence as a PH only because you might find the perfect spot to use him for one AB.

Put your better players in the game for longer period and they will have more chances to affect the outcome. Every ball that Cain gets to in RF that Aoki wouldn't is no different than Dyson giving you a single, double, etc.

Well, the best defensive player in the game should make for a very strong trade chip in the off-season in terms of acquiring power.

Completely wrong. He is elite. Nails on the routine play. No bobbles, etc.

Aoki isn't great. Far from it. But I'd be inclined to stay consistent with a team playing at this level in the post-season.

Dyson. Start him.

Yes

Honest question--besides "Ned is a jackass" and "Ned is ****ing stupid" why doesn't Dyson regularly start?

If Aoki is such a liability in the OF and there's no drop-off in hitting, why is Aoki the one out there every night?

Can we all just look back and realize Hud was right all along with his positivity? Here we are in the World Series and winning games. I miss our lovable dumbass. I truly do.


PLANET MOON!

Because defense is 1/3 as valuable as hitting . And because he uses him the last few innings anyway

I don't disagree that Dyson makes total sense to start in CF shifting Cain to RF

but I just don't think we need to mess with the chemistry right now with something that's working

If we are going to put Dyson in, though, here's our new order:

Escobar
Hosmer
Cain
Moose
Perez
Gordon
Infante
Dyson
Pitcher

It's hilarious to think that one could justify using our AL parks #9 hitter in the #4 spot LMAO

Yeah, you know...when Moose is THIS Moose he's definitely a middle of the order bat. I think Ned has to get him out of that dreaded NL 8 spot. He's got to hit Infante 8th.

Per Fangraphs he ranks as the best defensive CF in the AL

He was the 8th best (2014) and 16th best (2013-2014 combined) defender in MLB and he has 30-50% the PA of all the guys ahead of him. He does pick up some extra time as a defensive replacement but of course that will also incorporate some of his PAs too.


He's elite, and after Simmons (SS Atlanta) a case could be made as the best in MLB.

but one time in 2011 he misplayed a ball so DeezNutz says he's terrible at defense and his instincts will really show if he was a full time starter!

Dyson is a free agent after this season. What do we do? He's made it known he wants to start.

I say re sign him and give him the opportunity during spring training to earn a spot in the starting rotation

shields replacement?

Yost just said 7 minutes ago there is a possibility of Dyson starting game 3 tommorow

Per Andy McCullough

Ned Yost acknowledged possibility Jarrod Dyson might start tomorrow. Nori Aoki has more value off the bench than Dyson as a pinch hitter.

I'm super ok with it. I really am. But he has to hit Moose higher than Infante if this is the case.

Infante has been red hot as of late. I say move Infante to the #2 spot and have Dyson bat 8

Infante had a good game LMAO

The lineup, with Dyson, is simple:

ESCOBAR
HOSMER
CAIN
MOOSE
PEREZ
GORDON
INFANTE
DYSON

and Ned still gets his precious RLRLRLRL

Moose has had good at bat, after good at bat this postseason. Patient, not pressing, and driving the ball. Out or no out.

This.

If we wanted him to return, we'd probably have to all but give him the job. I'm pretty sure many teams out there would be willing to name him their opening day CF, and hope he can hit.

I'd like to see Dyson in and he bunts every at bat and challenges their defense to try to beat him out running to first base, I would think he could get on 33 percent of the time. That's a nice OBP.

We don't need Dyson trying to hit home runs because that leads to
Pop ups. If he can just hit grounded and line drives he will be the starting CF next year

Well, I'll be gawdamned!:evil:

Like they said in Moneyball: "We only have to replace Giambi in the aggregate". We only have to pull enough horses together to replace Aoki's 1 HR. (falls down laughing)


Dyson should be our CF next year.

I can't believe Yost is actually learning and during a playoff run too

I don't know if we need to start messing with things too much, it's not like we're down 2-0. Unless you're just terrified of Aoki in RF. But I probably like Aoki more than most. I always feel confident when he's up there he'll make the pitcher work and put the ball in play.

Starting Dyson also takes any double switches out of play, although maybe they really do want Aoki as a PH. We also have Butler and Willingham too though. Doing this also takes a potential pinch runner out of play.