Late night bullshit: Which Chiefs team is better?
 

Poll inspired by Rausch's discussion in zilla's thread on compensatory picks.

Rausch thinks the 2013 Chiefs team was better at this point in their season. I argue that his mother smells of elderberries.

About the same IMO.

More difficult schedule so we have come back down to earth as predicted.

QB: Smith in 2013 was executing Andy Reid's superconservative gameplan. This year he is slinging it a lot more, relatively speaking.

RB: 2014 Charles/Davis > 2013's Charles

WR: 2014 Bowe + nobodies < 2013 Bowe, Avery, and McCluster

OL: a wash

DL: Bailey/Poe/Vickerson > DeVito/Poe/Jackson

LB: 2013 wins simply because both starting ILBs went down with injury in 2014. 2014 has better passrushing depth

CB: Flowers/Smith/Dunta Robinson = Smith/Cooper-Fleming/Owens/Gaines

S: wash. 2013 had Berry, but 2013 also had Lewis.

His YPG and YPC are actually slightly down.

This year's team.
Still trying to find out what in the hell happened against Tennessee, but I suppose that clunker is offset by us somehow winning in San Diego.

Which smelled more of elderberry?

I don't feel like the Chiefs are going to shit the bed as much this year, compared to last year. Less screwing pooches, more laying pipe.

...well, you're done for.

You're hooked, and now they'll find a time/place to really stick that knife in good and deep.

this team is massively better. the players arent really any better on paper, actually they're worse but they are getting it done. The secondary is MUCH better. teams already know kcs weakness from the second half of last season yet here we are, the chiefs secondary has given up the least amount of receving yards in the entire nfl despite playing manning, rivers, brady, and kaep.

Our offense was historically bad for the first 9 games last season. we BARELY won games last season against a lot of 2nd rate qbs, despite winning the turnover battle by A LOT, and scoring a special teams touch down in what seemed like nearly every game, or atleast starting at the 50. the offense was flat out awful last season, despite having a much better o line. The chiefs this season, have been competitive despite not winning the turn overs, and not getting any contributions from ST's, while playing first rate QBs. If we can start forcing a few turnovers, and/or can start getting contributions from ST's we could beat any team in the nfl as badly as we beat the patriots. those are big ifs, although i do expect it to happen atleast another time or two this season.

Sutton has been much better this season, i think last season he pretty much blitzed 5-7 guys EVERY 3rd down. and he refused to bench guys who were playing awful, like cooper in the second half, kendrick, dunta, demps at times, etc.

This team is much better.

Less Marcus Cooper. Less Kendrick Lewis.

No way they beat New England last year.

Plus the 2013 draft class is playing good football.

We've played and beaten more quality opponents this year. Don't know if we make the playoffs, but I feel we're headed in the right direction.

And you want a new contract, well the price just went down.

Our first 8 games this season are comparable to the last 8 games last season opponent wise and we will be 5-3 rather than 2-6 over that span.

Beat SD on the road, won in Miami, beat NE, and realistically without Reid being a dumbass could have beat Denver in Denver and SF in SF.

And Kelce has impact potential that could make our offense much more powerful.

No Kendrick Lewis!

The 2007 chiefs who were 4-3

Fire Dorsey - direckshun

"THEY'RE STILL SHITTY"!

Sankyou.

Didn't beat a single good team last year. Already beat 3 this year and were a direkshuns but hair away from beating 2 more on the road.

But we lost 6 starters!

Anyone who says last year's team is better doesn't know shit about the chiefs

About the ONLY way this team is worse is pass protection...
And turnover ratio maybe?
So far, everything else is better or at least not worse.

I feel like this year's team has far better balance than last. We are not as explosive on defense or ST, but have hung tough against some really good QBs. We are not relying on a few big plays to win games, but are playing fairly consistent ball-control offense. I really love the third-down offense this year more than anything else. If we can keep converting at this rate we will be a very tough team down the stretch.

I dont see how anyone could vote for 2013.

The strength of schedule was much weaker.
Our depth is waaay better this year in most spots.
Sutton really seems to have a much better handle on the defense this year, while we're not getting as many turnovers, we're also not giving up as many big plays.

Turnovers are random.

I mostly agree with that, but I do think you can increase your chances for interceptions with aggressive blitzing, forcing the QB into hurried throws.

Of course the problem with that is that it also increases your chances to get burned for a big play... I like that Sutton isnt blitzing as much, we've definitely given up fewer big plays this year all while playing against much better QB's than last year.

Easily 2014 best 3rd down team in the league. Few plays of 20+ yards given up.

This team is really building. I wish I could see what it looks like in 2 years.

A 32-year old Alex Smith with no Bowe or Charles.

I'm okay with this. Kelce is better than Bowe and Davis isn't too bad himself. DAT looks a nice toy on offense and our GM is showing us he can draft quality players.

Bowe is averaging 15 yards per catch. He needs more tsrgets. Alot more. Will only improve the passing game

Depends. Bowe is good for at least one critical drop a game. Double edged sword on this issue

Kelce leads the team in drops iirc.

Drops are a convenient excuse. Throw the guy the football more. Get the ball in the hands of our beat playmakers. That's bowe

I'd consider Charles, Kelce and DAT to be better playmakers than Bowe. If I'm Alex I look to them first.

The bowe hate at this place is comical. He's average 15 yards per catch, alot of that coming in yards after the catch.

Best wide receiver KC has had since Otis Taylor.

The hate comes from ill-timed drops.

Most recently, that awful one in SF. There is just no excuse for that.

Just too many bad drops. I've defended him a ton, up to this season. Can't do it anymore.

I doubt this is accurate. Show me.

Before Sunday, he led the team in receptions.

On the next play, kelce dropped an easier pass for a first down. Don't see anyone eating him up for it.

Bowe has had drops. Every wr drops balls. Keep throwing it at them especially bowe, as he's capable of being a monster on the outside

One guy is an 8 year vet, the other is in his 2nd season. This is a horrible comparison/argument.

Stop making excuses for Bowe. He can be a special player when his head is in it. Bowe isn't getting any better. One thing that Bowe should be great at, but isn't, is high-pointing. I still really like him, but he's pushing it.

Drops are drops.

How many chances has bowe had, with Alex smith to go up and high point the football?

DAT has done jack shit in the NFL.

Check yourself.

Pardon me, Bowe and kelce are tied for the lead in drops with 3 a piece

You're on crack.

Albert > Fisher
Allen > McGlynn
Hudson 13 < Hudson 14
Schwartz > Fulton
Fisher > Harris

I watch a bunch of chiefs football, probably more than some of you on a long time line. This year's team is better than last year. You can tell the defense is better, the run game is better against better competition at this point compared to last.

Your number one obstacle is the conservative nature of Alex Smith. He needs to take more chances to be great enough to win a playoff game.

Go Royals and have a great night

Allen is a dumpster fire and Fisher struggled massively last year.

Allen last year is still better than McGlynn so far this year.

Harris is a better RT than fisher was and that in itself is depressing

Both are awful, but yeah McGlynn is worse.

Possibly but I think Reid sticking his head up his ass with the play calling and decision making is a bigger issue.

The thing with Bowe is that he's always had terrible drops, its just that in the past he's had more opportunities to make up for them, ie; being targeted much more often.

He's a lot like Brandon Lloyd in that respect, always dropping the gimme and then turns around and pulls a highwire act... like I said a few days ago, his recent lack of production can be laid at Bowe, Smith AND Reids feet, IMHO.

In the big picture, yes.

But theres no denying that just about every time he's touched the ball this year, something good happens... the early returns are BOFFO.

And I'm fine with this. What bugs the shit out of me is where Smith and Reid are absolved of the problem and it's all Bowe's issue.

I'm one of those people that really believe its the ultimate team game, you cant blame one without blaming the other.

Bowe is often an inconsistent numbnut.
Smith really needs to start pushing himself/trusting Bowe more.
Reid doesnt put him front and center in the game plan because he isnt Reids guy.

The ****ing guy should have 3-4 touchdowns by now and its everyones fault.

Odd considering Reid and Dorsey signed him to his big ass contract.

Really? It's not really odd considering they gave Charles a new contract and he gets 7 touches a game in some games.

He was just about the only option, and I'm sure he came off like the basically good guy I believe him to be during negotiations... I called him a "coach pleaser" back in the offseason and I believe it fits.

Every time a new coach has come in, Bowe (atleast on the surface) has bought in... coach says lose weight, he loses weight, coach says more offseason training, he does more offseason training , coach says we want you to block better, he ups his blocking game etc.

He WANTS to stay in Kansas City it seems, he WANTS to be great it seems, I'm just not sure he always knows how to go about being it... either way, if we can keep him on as #2 next year I'm ALL for it.

He would be the best #2 in the NFL, IMO.

Is that because he isn't "Dorsey's guy"?

LMAO

Regardless it doesn't point to Bowe not getting the ball because Dorsey doesn't like him.

This years team is better.

Jeff Allen. Holy shit i forgot about that guy. What was his injury again?

**NVM, Elbow surgery**

This team's tougher, IMO. Tougher early schedule, overcoming key injuries, getting used to and comfortable with new system.

We'll get better this year.

I'll be surprised if we aren't in the playoffs again. And I actually like our chances this year, either at Baltimore, Cincinnati, New England, or Buffalo.

Yup.

Last years team found a way to lose last sunday, this new group didnt.

This team is much better and I think they will be a player in the post season.

Didn't we have a billion TO's on defense at this point last year?

Better this year so far. We were winning pretty fluky first half of last year, counting on defensive and return touchdowns to win games because the offense was so bad.

Defense much improved over last year is the difference. Our WRs were better last year but that's offset with the addition of Kelce. I like this team better.

Defense yards per drive is right about the same which might surprise some but because so many big plays allowed last year inflated it.

Points allowed is higher because no turnover gifts.
3rd most takes in '13.
4th least takes in '14.


Biggest difference this year is the pre-snap penalties cleaned up.

This. That 9-0 means jack-shit. This team has more holes and still manages to scrape by **** hairs.

When was the last time Kansas City saw a team that was good in a balanced way?

97, sans Grbac.

There is no question. There is no doubt. There is no debate.

If only the Vermeil era defense wasn't so awful. :shake: