Rank the Chiefs needs
 

In your opinion. What are your top 4 needs and why? (we have 4 picks in the top 3 rounds)

I'm gonna say in order of importance:

1. OL-Stephenson looked good last Sunday, but LG is terrible. IMO this is what is destroying our offense. No time to throw, no time for receivers to go deep or finish long routes, some problems in the running game (our RB's make to look way better though).

La'El Collins would solidify the left side IMO. He's a beast.

2. Receiver-we have 4 good weapons IMO: Kelce, DAT, Bowe and Charles. It doesn't even have to be a top WR. It could be a TE like Kelce. Get one more quality receiver bc Fasano and every WR after Bowe (except maybe Wilson. He's making the most of his opportunity) sucks.

Owen Daniels would be a solid FA pickup. He was only $1 million this season.

3. DB-sure we have some good guys there, but Abdullah and Parker are nearing 30. Sanders Commings is made of glass so a young safety to add would be helpful.
The Prewitt kid from Ole Miss is awesome, but we would most likely have to get him rd 1.

Is CB a huge need? Sean Smith has been very good this year. Gaines just needs to add strength and he'll be a fine #2 at this pace, Owens did well playing nickel and Cooper is here to develop. That's 4 guys. I'd take a mid rd guy to develop behind them.

4. Pass rusher-we add one every year and will again. Bailey should stay and we have Walker, but insurance for Cat could be needed.

I think we will draft an OLB for depth to prepare for Tamba's departure whether he stays or goes. I'd like to get one rd 3 in the event that we have a future stud to rotate with Ford/Houston and be ready if either gets hurt.

Thoughts?

1. Offensive Lineman
2. WR
3. CB
4. WR
5. Pass Rusher
6. RB
7. Defensive Lineman

Our Oline looks better than it is because Alex is getting rid of the ball so quickly and we have JC. I would like us to draft two WRs because you have a 50% chance of finding a good one....besides we could use at least two. A corner because they take time to develop and there are always injuries to deal with.

1) Receivers - no explanation needed.
2) LG and line depth/starter pushers - JC has gotten something like 80 and 78 yards on 20 touches per game the last two weeks and that surely isnt his fault.
3) Corners - this group is currently getting it done, but yeah, we all know some upgrades are in order.
4) DJ's replacement at ILB, God Bless him but he'll never be the same after that injury at his age.
5) You can never have too many pass rushers, lets find a promising backup for Houston.

Thats it, with 11 picks we can double dip at each position and triple dip on one of them.

My thought is that you're way, way off base.

The number one need isn't a left guard, it's a receiver to stretch the field.

The Chiefs needs are at WR, CB, DL, G, ILB and TE.

Ron Parker is 27, Abdullah is 28. Both are in their "Prime". Abdullah has less wear and tear because he took off a year from football. Daniel Sorensen will continue to be developed and see spot duty but with Coleman and Mcray, safety is hardly a pressing need.

Effective guards can easily be found from rounds 3-7 and considering the Chiefs will likely have two picks in each of the final rounds, they'll have their pick of the litter. But keep in mind, Jeff Allen will return next season, making the guard position a little less important in the 2015 draft.

Also, Richardson didn't see a snap at right tackle. He had three snaps on special teams.

This is isn't to bash Smith but I think that kind of receiver would be wasted. A receiver like Keenan Allen who runs excellent routes and gets consistently open (last year anyway) on the intermediate routes might be a better fit.

Wr
CB
OL
MLB
DL

That's how I see it right now.

Sure, Keenan Allen would be a great fit. But they need someone that can run excellent routes, has elite speed (sub 4.4) and at least 6'2. It's all about the YAC in the WCO.

With Bowe, Kelce, Charles, DAT and a WR as described, this offense would be difficult to contain.

Getting a WR with reliable hands, great ball skills, great body control, who can also run really fast, (in other words a #1 WR) would be a waste of time?

When did I say that?

I was responding to the WR that "can stretch the field".

So they should pass on Sammie Coates and DeVante Parker? Both guys can stretch the field.

Stephenson can't beat out a street FA...he's fine as a swing backup though (Saccopoo still thinks this guy who can't get on the field is better than Albert)

Sorenson isn't on the team, thankfully, as he sucks ass

Of the people injured, I have the most hope for catapano*...really sucks he lost a year of development

#1 - WR...Bowe is a #2, and no one beneath him is worth anything, none of them have #1/#2 upside...we need to draft a couple of WRs, imo...got to have some damn speed

#2 - front 7...a bit of a cop out answer, but between DJ's injury, Hali's age/contract, Devito surely getting cut, our occasional softness against the run, I'd be all over the best ILB/pass rusher/DE (*if we found a young stud to pair with poe and bailey, we'd have something beastly)

#3a CB - can you have enough? not sure what we can count on from cooper

#3b - guard...3rd round stuff

#4 - Safety...apparently we're going to let our young All-Pro safety walk because we're 5-3 and something called Ron Parker plays for us...these are the things incredibly stupid people think, but there it is

generally, it seems age is going to hit our defense first...so, WR then defense...I trust them to find a guard in later rounds or cheap FA

I can definitely see this as being the plan. I think that Reid wants a speedy receiver in general. Not just for downfield threats, but YAC and quick outs on blitzes.
I could see him wanting a guy like that to really work the first 20 yards downfield.

We've been using DAT in that situation a few times this year. Hopefully Albert Wilson can give us a decent option as the season continues.

A darkhorse pick for the first 2 rounds could be a dynamic TE like Kelce. I think we will get rid of Fasano this year and look for his replacement in the draft. Just can't see us paying this guy so much to be a blocker.

Would love to see us add another good receiver and TE tho.

Right, because that's exactly what I said.

http://i61.tinypic.com/2vxgg2b.jpg


Speed is a premium. If you can get that guy, great. But imo, there is no reason to sell out for a guy just because he is fast.

You said it yourself last off-season when you said you would rather have Josh Huff than Brandin Cooks. At first, I though you were either functionally reeruned or a Duck fan (pretty much the same thing). Then I found out you were a 49ers fan that followed Alex here and it made perfect sense. A solid possession receiver would make your boy look better than a speed guy would.

ROFL

I wanted Josh Huff in the middle rounds, not the 1st. And have you even watched how the Saints have used Cooks? Lots of short stuff to get him out in space just like Reid uses DAT in the passing game. Got the exact same thing in Thomas, just at much better value.

So you're saying Cooks sucks at getting YAC?

Stephenson was suspended for the first four games of the season. Reid hasn't put him in the starting lineup because Ryan Harris has played well and he doesn't want to mess with chemistry. This does not mean he doesn't have a future with the Chiefs at right tackle.

Sorensen IS on the team and played 12 snaps on Sunday.

Name one reason the Chiefs should pay Eric Berry $8.3 million next year. He's earning $11.6 million this year while injured for most of the season and in his absence, the Chiefs have the #1 pass defense in the NFL.

I've watched almost every Saints game this season (didn't see the Cowboys debacle). I don't think you have,though, if you think the Saints are using Cooks like Reid is DAT.

I like DAT and am glad he is a Chief but he has a long way to go to learn to be an actual receiver. There is a reason he was a 5th round pick while Cooks was a 1st.

Look at this short pass!

http://www.packers.com/media-center/...2-be7d9993d4c7

Josh Huff has 5 receptions for 42 yards playing for his old college coach in a pass happy offense.

Plus, there is this:

JOSH HUFF A BETTER VALUE THAN COOKS!!!!

WR, ILB, CB, DE, TE and OG/T.

We need 2 solid guards to take our run game to the next level.
Need another wr. Id perfer a guy with big play ability. But a guy who gets open and catches the ball would be an upgrade.

Need some front 7 help. Maybe djs future replacement. Another end. And a servicable run stuffing nt.

Could also use another toolsy cb like gaines.

But really I think we should just draft the highest celing guy we can at all picks after we get a wr, mlb, and guard. Dont think we need immediate contributions anywhere aside from those spots. We really would have a great lb core with good depth if dj comes back and mays. But I think its too risky to not treat that spot as a need now type of thing.

1: ILB
2: WR
3: DE/OLB
4: OL
5: CB/S

wow...i was so sure he was cut i only checked the practice squad

You know how you know guys don't watch the games?

Lol pretty much

1) WR
2) LG
3) RT
4) RG
5) LT
6) ILB
7) CB
8) DE

Assuming we re-sign Hudson and Houston, but not Bailey...

1. WR
2. DE
3. ILB
4. CB
5. OT

I've got a gut feeling that we dump Fasano and draft a TE with one of our first 3 picks. Alex loves TE's and we can run the 3 TE set more effectively. Kelce is the only damn threat we have as a receiver at the position.

Imagine getting another player with skills like him?

I would imagine the Chiefs will take a Tight End with one of their 3rd or 4th round selections. I really liked Crockett Gilmore in the 4th but he went to Baltimore at #99.

That said, I'd rather have Phillip Gaines and DAT than a backup TE. :D

So you're planning to cut Jeff Allen, another 2nd rounder? What about LDT?

I don't get this obsession with left guard when the Chiefs need receivers, CB's, Defensive lineman and at least one ILB case Mauga can't be re-signed and DJ doesn't recover to at least 90%.

Can't speak for the others, but the only reason I had them drafting a LG so high was bc of Reid's infatuation with the trenches in the 1st rd.

Yup.

The title of this thread should be changed to "Rank the positions that Dorsey won't draft in 2015"

Only joking, but just slightly. We will have 11 picks next year, so don't expect Dorsey to follow shit in terms of team need.

We'll probably get our new WR next year, but it might not happen until the 2nd or even 3rd round.

FYP

I completely agree.

Dorsey really seems to be a "Best Available Athlete" type. I prefer that to reaching for players and he's done a great job to date.

I can't wait to see what he does with 11 picks, which is as almost as many as he's had the past two drafts.

Cooks is light years ahead of DAT.

I'm not planning on anything.

All I know is that the defense as it is right now is playing like one of the best in the league and everyone but Hudson on the line is complete ****ing trash and everyone but Bowe at WR is complete ****ing trash.

I don't care who they draft or where. Those are just how I rank the team needs.

WR
S
OG

I'll stick to top four as the OP states...

1. Wide Receiver

I know, this offense doesn't NEED stud receivers to function, but this offense doesn't possess any type of real threat at the position. The Chiefs really cannot even remotely think about the ability to come from behind and strike quickly without some type of reliable down field threat. They don't have to go WR in round 1, but it should be very early, and probably multiple times, in this draft.

2. Offensive Guard

Everyone is currently giddy over Zach Fulton, and he could become something, but he's not yet. Additionally, the left side is an absolute garbage turnstile. Allen is supposed to return in 2015, but I'd rather he didn't... McGlynn is even worse. How the Chiefs have managed with such atrocious guard play is beyond me.

3. Inside Linebacker

Derrick Johnson's career may very well be over, especially in Kansas City. An Achilles injury is usually a two year deal. While he may be able to play in 2015, it likely won't be the form we've become accustomed to over the past few years. Additionally, his cap savings may be needed, and he's on the wrong side of 30.

Meanwhile, Mays hasn't been available and the Chiefs have survived, but he also gives the Chiefs a decent cap savings if cut in 2015. After Mays, you have guys the Chiefs have lived with in Mauga and JMJohnson, but they have been a rather significant liability in run defense. The Chiefs should address this situation and bring in a youngster that shows promise of being the long-term solution.

4. Cornerback

Sean Smith will be under contract in 2015, but it is his final year of his deal. Additionally, Smith hasn't been that great until this year where he is finally playing fairly respectable. The Chiefs might have to make a decision on him as well this offseason, given he offers a very nice cap savings.

Gaines has proven to be the type of player I thought he was so far and continues to improve. It normally takes corners a couple years to really come into their own. The Chiefs would be wise to draft Smith's replacement in 2015 and groom him. Gaines and another draft pick could give KC a solid set of corners for a while.

If the Chiefs go guard early, I will kill a hamster. Kccrow's hamster.

They can go tackle if they want, since they'll actually need one in 2016. But considering they have all sorts of options at guard, I will seriously kill kccrow's hamster.

Fisher is trash? Ryan Harris and Donald Stephenson are "trash"? A rookie 6th rounder is trash?

I think we're watching two different teams.

This is really rather perfect. I'd suggest an additional mention of DE/DT. Have to see if Bailey or Vickerson comes back.. and see if Catapano recovers from the ebolaids. Also thinking it might be best to cut the wasted signing of Vance Walker.. if he never shows a reason to earn his 3.75 cap hit next season.

The life of kccrow's hamster is in the balance.

If the Chiefs go guard early, that's all she wrote, folks.

He better be, he's been playing WR for far longer.

DAT has better vision as a runner and is just as explosive and shifty. His hands have been pretty solid as well.

Looking at players last night...

Man oh man if this team could get Sammie Coates and Nick O'Leary in the first 2 rds than this offense would be hell for DC's to gameplan against.

Believe it or not, I would expect a very D-heavy draft. Maybe the 1st rounder on WR, or something like that, but then the rest could honestly be very heavy on defense.

We're likely having to replace two incredibly important pieces to the heart of our defense in Hali and DJ. Not to mention we're probably cutting DeVito -- although if it were up to me, we'd just re-sign Vickerson on the cheap.

I guess we are, considering Hudson is the only lineman that isn't ranked near the ****ing bottom of the abyss at their position.

People insist on hiding how bad Fisher has been compared to the league by using the word "improving." He still has a long way to go to be considered as a starter in the NFL. The only reason his isn't on the bench is because he was the #1 pick.

Trying to downplay how bad this OL is is just being ignorant.

Also, because he's the best tackle on the roster.

Unless you're honestly championing tackle bookends of Stephenson and Harris.

I'm more going back to last year with that.

He still isn't starter material. There's only 1 starting lineman that is.

The Chiefs need to address the line more than anything, after WR.

The Chiefs made their bed at OLB when they picked Ford. I don't consider that position a need.

ILB? Meh. Could use an improvement but it's doing ok. Berry should help the run D quite a bit as Parker ****ing sucks at tackling.

CB? Ya. Need some love there.

OL? ****ing dumpster fire.

Ah, time travel.

I'm amazed Dorsey hasn't tapped into that resource.

If only we had jd1020's powers at our disposal.

Don't need my powers to understand picking LT was a bad idea.

My understanding is that they were picking the best prospect available.

The best prospects were widely regarded by the NFL as being the tackles. Which is why the top three went in the top four. I would have gone with Geno Smith, personally, but I'm comfortable in the knowledge that I'm just a layman making educated guesses.

Fisher's dramatically improved, and is already an outstanding run blocker and has every tool and elite coaching to become a great pass protector. I assume you subscribe to the idea that rookies need three years before a comprehensive judgment can be rendered.

If that's the case, than Fisher is already on schedule to become, at least, a good left tackle. If not much more than that.

I see us drafting a CB and pass rusher for sure. Might just fill ILB in free agency. But then again, we have 11 picks.

:spock:

He's one of the worst ranked tackles in the league and even you admit that hes better at run blocking.

If anything he's on schedule to be moved back to RT or inside.

Hey, he's successfully filled ILB through free agency for two years now. You're not far off, probably.

I admit it freely.

He's got some work to do, and time to do it. We've effectively schemed around it while he comes along.

Leave my ****in hamster out of this.... LOL :D

LMAO

You are, without a shadow of a doubt, one of the dumbest mother****ers to post on this site.

Fisher did not give up a sack or a pressure against either Richardson or Wilkerson last Sunday, but he shouldn't be starting in the NFL.

Good ****ing God, some people are just stupid

WR - probably two of them
G - Fulton may be ok. Never an Allen fan and mcglynn is terrible


Honestly those are the only glaring needs. If DJ doesn't come back ILB would be a need and secondary depth is always good

DE is my number 5 and Safety is my number 6. Both could move up depending on who is retained. I'd foresee Bailey, Vickerson, and Parker all getting offers with their play this season. Mauga is the other I see getting an extension. I think Walker, Jenkins, Avery, and Allen are getting walking papers, as they save a combined 7.66 million against the cap.

Walker has given Poe a break this season and I'd be shocked to see him cut. Allen is the best LG on the current roster and it would be foolish to cut him at this point.

If you're looking for cap savings that make sense, look to DeVito at $4 million, Fasano at $2 million, Jenkins, Avery ($3.5) and of course, Berry's $8 million and Hali's $15 million.

Dumb. As. ****.

I wouldnt' call Walker's contributions much. Certainly not worth it when he saves you 1.75 million.

Allen is the best LG on the roster and about the 70th best guard in the NFL. He's ****ing terrible. I'd rather another 6th round pick were starting next year than ****ing Allen. My god, foolish? The only foolish thing is to keep that shit around. He saves you a million against the cap if cut. He's replaceable, easily.

Yeah, because he was replaced soooooooooo easily in August.

:facepalm:

Excuse me for not patting a guy on the back who still finds it difficult to find his balance and avoid being tossed aside like a rag doll because he didn't give up a sack on an offense who's passing game is basically an extended run game full of screens, swing passes, and <5 yard slants. Fishers the most badass worst ranked tackle in the league. YOU GO FISHER!!!!!!!! The great DaneMcCloud has a 60th place ribbon for ya.

Question: Would you draft Marcus Peters? #1 man cover corner abilities but got tossed off of the team for what sounds like multiple incidents/confrontations with coaches.

I think he's a top 20 and possibly top 15 talent in the draft based on his play and skillset alone. But how far does his apparent attitude problems drop him in the draft? I'd use our 2nd on him and definitely one of our 3rd round picks.

I don't think it is wise to use even a 3rd round draft pick on a locker room cancer. Look at Percy Harvin. Getting millions of dollars is only going to make him worse.

You thinking something more like SF's Aaron Lynch? Taking a shot in the middle rounds?

Peters might end up being the best corner in this draft.

Reminds me a lot of Phillip Gaines. Will be interesting to see how he measures and times at the Combine.

I have him graded as a borderline 1st/2nd round guy. Very possible he's in our wheelhouse. I think he's a great fit in press man.

Same here, he should do very well in this scheme. I think that he has the potential to be a guy that you could just ask to match up one on one against any receiver and he'll do very well. He's long and strong enough to take on bigger receivers, he's fast and quick enough to stick with smaller speed guys (watch him vs Cooks, was outstanding except for one play where, if I remember correctly, Cooks was able to get a step on him with a double move for a TD). My favorite thing about him is that he is a big time player, he plays his best when matched up against another top prospect; tells me that he is one hell of a competitor and shies away from nothing.

I wonder how bad his problems with the coaching staff really were, he wasn't the first player to be kicked off of that Washington team by the new coaching staff.

We should look at trading up this year. It's bei predicted that we will end up with eleven or so picks. That many aren't making the roster anyway, so your choices are: move up for better players, trade down and stockpile picks in future years, or draft players that you are going to probably cut. I say move up and get the best receiver possible

Oh Heavens no! thats no way to make an impact around here... you've gotta take a stand and stick by it to the death, admiting the possibility of being wrong is NOT allowed.

You do realize that this roster isn't all that deep right? I trust in Dorsey's ability to find gems in the mid to later rounds and this coaching staff's ability to develop them, enough to the point where I'd rather he had a lot of draft picks to spend vs trading up for a "blue chip" player.

In the 2013 draft, 73 juniors declared for the NFL draft. In 2014, 98 juniors declared for the NFL draft. That number is expected to rise once again in 2015.

The point is that there will be so much talent available that trading up would be a mistake considering that a second round value in 2012 could be had in the fourth round of 2015. In 2014, it's easy to argue that the Chiefs (and other teams, of course) were getting a full round higher in value for their second and third day selections.

Now, if Dorsey were to trade Eric Berry for a third rounder, giving the Chiefs three thirds, it wouldn't be surprising if he packaged a third and a fifth in order to jump up to the late second/early third.

But since Compensatory Picks aren't tradeable, I'd be surprised to see him package up picks and move up the board.

My opinion, yes he was. We went from a guard rated at about 60 to a guard rated around 63 in the league by PFF. My eyeball rating, we went from dog shit to dog shit. Dog shit is getting us by. In the end, both suck ****ing ass. Both suck so much ass that they both need to be replaced. I don't get the love affair for Jeff "Turnstile" Allen, he blows. Just because the guy taking his place now sucks even more, doesn't make Allen any good.

I actually hope they bring Allen back to compete at RT. He looked a lot better there than he did at LG.

I was thinking that too.

Allen should be a pretty decent zone RT.

That's not really what Reid runs, so he's a LG now.

He's put on some excess weight to play in the phone booth which has restricted his athleticism.

He should cut back down and be our first option at any of the four line positions other than center. Main guy backing up the entire line but C.

We really need a guy who can play the LG spot as a power guy.

Updated.

Receiver, athletic TE, pass rusher and DB.

Chiefs do ZB more than any other type of run scheme.