Track Dee Ford's Trillions
 

The Trillion is a quasi-stat originating from basketball. Grantland writer, and former tOSU benchwarmer, Mark Titus is most famously associated with the stat, but I remember reading about it in SI more than 15 years ago.

Here's how it works: if a player gets into a game and accrues no stats, his stat sheet will read with his minutes played followed by 12 zeros, thus a trillion. Many scrubs have been known to accrue fouls just to avoid the Trillion.

I believe that Dee Ford has been active for every game this season. If that is the case, he has 12 games played, He has accrued stats in two of them. That means that in 10/12 games, Dee has racked up the ignominious stat.

Thus, I propose that we give Dee Ford a new nickname: National Debt.

First I heard of this was during the Pitt/KSU game in Maui three days ago.

his first step though.....

We saw it in full effect against Frank Gore...

He needs it to get Nachos for Andy Reid before Priest eats them all

Not to be a dick, but Gholston beasted at the Trillion. Once led Mecca to label him a decoy. Ford seems to be a similar player.

He'd better get it together by the first game next year. Hali is gone. He needs to step it up.

If only he had a second.

he is growing steadily and progressing

The Jets were at least smart enough to deactivate him for several games his rookie year, and his 13 tackles as a rookie looks like it is going to far outpace Ford.

At least Tyson Jackson and Dorsey played and sucked in their first year. This guy can't even get on the field.

Who?

I wish Ford was as impressive as an NFL player as Gholston.

Ford will be fine.

I actually think he might. Doesn't strike me as a replacement for Hali, though, if that is supposed to be the plan.

You guys are missing the obvious brilliance of the Dee Ford draft pick. The way to confuse your opponents is to do things they're not expecting. Couple the fact that 2014 could go down as the greatest WR draft in NFL history with the shit-show the Chiefs trot out weekly at WR, and EVERYONE was expecting us to draft a WR.

Now look at edge pass rusher. If there was one position on the Chiefs where you could say coming into the 2014 season that we were relatively stacked at, it would be edge rusher.

So the brilliance of the pick is that we passed at a position of need, which was loaded in this years' draft, in order to reach for a guy who plays a position that we didn't need anyone for. The fact that Dee Farce will never see Dee Field is irrelevant, the pick was sheer brilliance. Amazing how you guys are missing this.

No, he's not a replacement for Hali, that will come in the first round this year. :banghead:

This isn't aimed at you, but your post inspired me to write.

For years I've read the draftniks on this site arguing that you don't draft for need. You draft for the best available player and take into account positional value.

Presumably that's what Dorsey did this year. He took the best player available at an important position. And now it seems that many on the board are saying that we should have drafted based on need.

If someone wants to argue that the best player available was indeed a wide receiver, then we have a valid discussion about draft tactics. But it seems like the real discussion here is the old standby: how do you weigh need versus positional value versus individual player. In this case, I suspect that Dorsey was aware that OLB was a strength and WR was a weakness, so he weighs positional value and individual player potential heavily over need. That should make a lot of people around here pretty happy.

I've found this hilarious, too. They all flip flopped on the BPA strategy they always referred to with the packers and steelers etc

Now?

BPA only at positions of need. The draft talk on this site, though, with the draftniks is laughably horrendous so now it's just comedic relief during draft week

At the time the Ford pick made some sense given that the team seemed to fall apart without Houston and Hali.

The defense has fallen apart with both of those guys on the field. Clearly the Chiefs are talent deficient everywhere on the team.

BPA. BPA. BPA. BPA. BPA. BPA. BPA. BPA. BPA. BPA. BPA.

If that nets KC an OG, CB, NT, OLB, OT, OG, ILB, P, CB, WR and OG in that particular order than so be it.

The Chiefs cannot put off the rebuild any longer.

Given the performances of several rookie wideouts, it's fairly obvious Dee Ford was not BPA.

I wonder if Packer fans tracked Aaron Rodgers' trillions. This thread is ****ing stupid and Discuss Thrower's contribution to this thread makes everyone who reads it dumber.

Did you just say something about Johnny Manziel ?

He's racked up the trillions this year.

I think his show begins next week. They put him in yesterday with 12:00 left in the 4th and he took them down for a score, 8 plays 80 yards. Hoyer didn't get a TD all game.

I don't think you understand what a trillion is, idiot. You have to actually play in the game.

Still clueless

Not "they all".

One, it could easily be argued that Ford wasn't the BPA regardless of need or position. Many made that exact argument on draft day.

Two, even if you want to have the "position of need" argument, what positions did we NOT need?

Bottom line: Unless you're injured or a QB sitting for a year behind an established vet, a R1 pick should contribute as a rookie.

Look at the guys taken in the first round. There are a LOT of guys who have made significant contributions to their teams. Ford's best known for running away from Frank Gore.

The whole concept is ****ing dumb. Currently Dee Ford is playing on special teams only. His opportunity for getting on the stat sheet are minimal.

If someone wants to start a thread talking about Ford's lack of playing time and how he looks like he needs to improve a lot to justify his draft slot, that'd be fine. Trying to skirt around the conversation by using some made up stat like "trillions" is ****ing dumb.

Welp, consider me on the "wait and see" wagon with Ford. He has a couple of perennial pro bowlers playing, you know, his position and Sutton rotates players about as often as I clean my sheets

I think that's a reasonable discussion to have. Did the scouts make a mistake in their talent judging?

In my world, I think need plays a significant role. So if I have some WRs close to an OLB in my individual rankings and my talent is thin at WR and thick at OLB, I go WR.

In Dorsey's world, his team either rated the WRs way lower, or they put no stock on need and always go for BPA. I'm really curious which one it is.

I really hope he works out bc guys like Benjamin, Carr, Matthews and Bridgewater look good and have high potential for the future.

Who was the guy who compared Dee Ford to Vernon Gholston prior to the season and got shit on? I always thought that comparison was absolutely valid. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

Bingo.

I get what Rainman is saying and I get the reasoning behind why Dorsey picked Ford, but based on what we got so far there is no indication Ford will be a good replacement for Hali.

Im sure Ford was expected to have much more reps by now along with good enough play that the move from Hali to Ford would be welcomed by everyone. Now it looks like moving on from a declining Hali will be a downgrade. Early on for sure.

Carr and Bridgewater have looked good, eh?

Carr got benched on a 1-10 team for Matt Schaub yesterday

You guys do realize that Sutton does not substitute, right.

Hali has not left the field when formation calls for him to be on it.
Poe hasn't had a play off in like 6 weeks.
until Sutton learns to substitute, Ford will not see the field.

Sutton doesn't substitute because the second string sucks at every position.

There's nobody that can take Poe's spot. Or Houston's. Or Hali's.

This.

And for sake of argument, let's say Sutton doesn't substitute regardless of who the backups are.

Why did we spend a R1 pick on a guy that would never play?

The plan apparently must be to let Hali walk this offseason, or said R1 pick will still be riding the bench in year 2.

Point number 2 is valid
How the f*** would he know whether point number 1 is or not if mother****ers never see the field.

Sutton needs to be shown the door.

And regardless of who the back ups are, players need plays off, and reserves needs snaps to improve.
again, Sutton needs to go.

"But his first step off the snap..."

You know who else had an elite first step off the snap that you just can't teach?

R-Kal Truluck.

And just in case Wallcrawler is following me around, let that be an insult to Dee Ford.

Fired coach
no running game
average at best receivers
average at best OL

Dumpster fire organization. And he's on pace for 3,200 passing yards and 19 TD's.

As a rookie. In Oakland aka the worst place to play in the entire league.

I heard this morning that Hali and Houston played all 82 Denver offensive snaps on Sunday. Dee Ford played 0.

Bob Robinson is brilliant.

Its hard to understand why Sutton cant find even a few spots in games to get Ford some experience... he really cant put Hali or Houston inside once in a while to try and get as much talent on the field as possible in known passing situations?

For having studied under Ryan this guy has NO imagination, when have we ever seen Bob do what Ryan occasionally did against Miami in the secondary by playing one side of the field man and the other zone?

Sutton might have the same playbook as Ryan, but he only uses half of it.

Hard to imagine a year from now Ford getting all of Tamba's snaps.

I wonder how many snaps Ford has got since he was trending on Yahoo!'s front page for running away from a running back?

No its not.
Its a dumb statement.

The only reason anyone though trulek was anything other than a scrub was because TG said some shit during TC.

To say he had an elite first step is absolute asinine.

Tamba and a lot of others are going to be shot come PO time and I think evidence of exhaustion is already showing.
do you remember what happened to Poe at the end of last season.
Well Sutton doesnt.
none of our back ups are getting game time reps and our starters are getting ridden into the ground.
Ford has shown flashes when he was on the field.
When someone compares Ford's talent to R kal, I have to question why I come here.

Then your memory is off.

It absolutely showed when Truluck played that he had an elite first step. I would show you on youtube or something, but nobody gives a shit about Truluck because he sucked as a player.

THE POINT IS that a good first step is only icing on the cake. It's nice to have and can provide that extra boost to become a great player IF you do all the other things right as a pass rusher. Truluck was deficient in those areas. He had zero upper body strength, he had no moves, wasn't very fast, he couldn't bull rush, and he was terrible at recognizing the play.

Remind you of anybody currently on the Chiefs?

Truluck was a shitty player and a false hope that a Vermeil defense could have ANYBODY in the front 7 worth a squirrel fart (until Jared Allen came along). And Dee Ford is unfortunately showing the exact same qualities as a player.

Before jamaal Charles was jamaal Charles Haley deactivated him because he was a bust and wasn't good enough ... hard to know about a guy when he's been given no chance

lol

It's funny that it reads just as well if you read it as Charles Haley.

it's hard to type on your phone =)

The guy has barely played. He showed great strength and speed at the combine. He's also learning the LB position after playing DE.

Good Christ. Can we at least see this guy play before we call him a dumpster fire instead of judging on an extremely small sample size?

Anybody who watched Jamaal Charles play in 2008 and 2009 would be an idiot to think that he couldn't make a name for himself in this league. Besides, he wasn't our 1st round pick. We were much more concerned about Glenn Dorsey and Branden Albert than Charles.

We're a group of Auburn fans away from Dee Ford being Ricky Stanzi.

We're not saying it's impossible that Ford can't turn the corner. We're saying it's bullshit that Dorsey's first round picks get "buffer" years in which they are allowed to play like crap as much as they want because they're raw.

I agree but as we've seen, Dorsey likes taking high potential players rd 1 and developing them for the long run. That's why I'm going to be pissed if Fisher isn't looking like a top 10 caliber LT next season.

As for Ford, he's taking over next season. Tamba is gone. He's got the 2nd highest contract for a 3-4 OLB and he's got 5 sacks in 12 games. That's not worth the price he's getting.

Right, that money goes to Poe, who has 4 sacks in a much harder position to get sacks. Ford needs to produce, that's the bottom line.

In fairness he's borderline reeruned so back off.