So can Dorsey fire Reid?
 

Legit question

On paper Dorsey is above Reid, but who's REALLY in charge?


Or are the attached at the hip as one?


Discuss.....

Hunt can fire Reid and that's it.

I wonder if the whole team had to get stitches in their anus or just the offense

I guess I'm confused by the current power structure


Dorsey and Reid are equals then?

Equals? Sort of. Each one reports separately to Clark Hunt.

I don't think it matters at this point.

That's the way I understand things.

nope, Hunt fires either/both

Reid and Dorsey are the same level as far as i know

This. Reid isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

I'd rather re-watch last night's game than read another Deberg thread.

Reid's here long term unless we go no wins back to back.

Maybe they could both fire eachother. There's always hope.

If anything Reid should be firing Dorsey for giving him This terrible OL and WR's to work with.

This has been discussed Ad Naseam around here. Hunt made it clear from day one that both Reid and Dorsey answer to him not to each other.

This .. Dorsey should be giving Reid half his salary already.


Reid has his flaws but he's still miles ahead of Dorsey so far.

Reid = Marty
Dorsey = Carl Peterson

Both coaches had/have to deal with lesser talent.

Dorsey flipped most of Piolis roster. In a year where we cut massive costs, we improved dramatically in our secondary and dline. In two years, we've built much better rb and te depth. And even though our qb is controversial, he's miles better than anyone we had. It's odd that for years people have talked about how unimportant oline is and now it's the most important thing in the world.

I thought Dorsey had a shaky year 1 but an excellent year 2. He's getting better. Reid is the guy that concerns me more. He's one hell of a coach so we learned, but I don't think we can untrain the constant random acts of stupidity.

Apple Jacks this morning ?

The mods should seriously consider renaming The Lounge the Bleeding Vagina after any Chiefs loss.

WoW ! There's some really big cactus's in Arizona. But I understand fully.

Reid needs to fire the offensive play caller. He's been awful in each of the Chiefs losses.

No, Dorsey can FEED Reid. Like seriously, one of his jobs is to bring the fat ass food. Mostly ribs.

QFT
hey let's open with our weakest point go deep on play one, and then follow it up with 2 more passes, that'll show them they have nothing to worry about

Self termination?

Hunts solution to what happened between Haley and Pioli.

That's not nice

If Dorsey doesn't make hay this off season, he should probably be shit-canned. I mean, come on; how can you **** that up?

Dorsey is Andys hand picked guy soooooooooo probably not.

Care to be a little more specific?

You have 10 shots. At least 1/2 of them should be making noise in year 1.

That is pretty ridiculous. I guess I should not be surprised since it is you posting that kind of crap though.

Well that's awesome, little feller. Keep reaching for the stars!

Oh yeah and how many teams hit on half of their draft picks let alone make noise in their first year? You are just trying to set unattainable goals so that you feel justified in being a hater.
I will be waiting.

LMAO

And waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and...

So you admit that it hasn't happened before or it was some fluke. Hence admitting that you are setting ridiculous unrealizable goals. Those goals that you will use to bash the Chiefs to fit your self service hatred.

No, what I am saying is that if you expect "meh" you're going to get it.

Up your game.

I don't "expect" anything from the Chiefs. I hope for the Chiefs and try to find reasons for the success and failure that we have had, while hoping that the Chiefs will do some things different and we will have success.
I guess I have already put the Chiefs passion on semi-hold until they prove some things repeatedly. It is easier to be a fan that way.

Remove thread making privelages jfc

****ing reeruned. Again.

Name a team that has had success replacing the coaching staff or QB after 2-3 years.

Bob Dole is as pissed as anyone, but changing coaches/core players/ system I ****ing stupid.

Reid isnt going anywhere unless he busts out some Todd Haley/Romeo Crennel type seasons.

I would rather read another Deberg thread than fire Reid.

So somebody has to die?

No he can't, fortunately Clark is in charge.

That's easy then. Just call Clark at about 8 pm when he is in his robe and slippers and is on his third scotch.

Because constantly changing coaches is a recipe for success.

Jesus Christ I hate some of you morons.
Why the **** would we fire Reid or Dorsey in year ****ing two? We're still in the playoff hunt in December with very little talent to work with. Just shoot yourselves.

****ing thank you.
I'm about to go all "Bob Dole" myself on some of these lunatics.

What are you getting at here? Isn't every successful team the result of changing out an ineffective coach for a good one (QB as well)?

San Francisco went from a horrendous team to a perennial contender by replacing Singletary with Harbaugh.
Denver went from shit to AFC champ by upgrading from McDaniel and Tebow to Fox and Manning
Seattle was garbage before Carroll and Russell Wilson.

Why?

Apart from a few hiccups, this team has over performed.

Where would we be right now with a healthy Derrick Johnson and Eric Berry?

If we hadn't lost our only legit deep threat for a long stretch...

This team is about to get another infusion of talent from what should be a strong draft class and the team having another year under its belt on both sides of the ball.

I expect big things next year and I haven't given up on this year, either.

Kansas City was 2-14 before Reid/Dorsey/Smith. What's your point?

That you can't say that firing underperforming coaches/QBs after a few years doesn't lead to better results.

The question that needs to be asked is whether or not Reid and co. are performing at a desirable level or not and what is the eventual ceiling for this team.

I'm not saying that firing them is the answer, but the squalor of mediocrity isn't a convincing argument for not doing it, either.

We went from Crennel and Cassel to Reid and Smith. That is a pretty good jump in talent as well.
Surely you aren't comparing Reid to Singletary and McDaniel. That would be ludicrous to put him in their shit category.

Reid is a top 5 coach. We need to give him 2 more years to really make some strides. We make a change before that and we might as well become the ****ing Raiders.

Jumping from 2-14 to the playoffs in the first year and then being in the thick of the playoff hunt with a massive amount of injuries the second year is not what I would call the "squalor of mediocrity". Did you expect them to take the team that had the number one overall draft pick to the SuperBowl in year 1?

Considering what they started with this regime gets 3 years. Firing a HC who has coached a team to 5 straight NFC Champ games in year two of his contract doesn't seem smart to me. Especially after turning a 2 win team into a playoff team and a team that's still in the hunt going into December in year two.

Exactly. The Chiefs where short handed coming into the season having not made any significant moves this off season. In fact, they created holes where there weren't any. True, the coaching has not been good sometimes, BUT that same coaching has enabled the Chiefs to get into playoff contention in spite of all the flaws...When the coaching is bad it's bad - when it's good, it's good. The Chiefs are a flawed team but still at 7-5, are exactly where I thought they would be at this point in the season and I'm sure they are better record -wise than most figured them to be.

The team that went 2-14 did not have the talent of a 2-14 team. Don't be a ****ing dumbass.

Dorsey is a perfectly average NFL GM, and average GMs can improve bad teams, especially bad teams with talent. Andy Reid is a good NFL coach, and good coaches can improve poorly coached teams.

I wouldn't expect anyone to turn the 2012 Chiefs into contenders overnight; that's not the expectation. The expectation is whether or not this regime can build a contender at all. Maybe they can. Given their personnel moves and Reid's gameday coaching, I'm extremely skeptical.

We don't need to fire Reid. We need to fire whoever is feeding him plays.

Clark and Dorsey need to have an intervention with this guy and tell him that he needs to hire someone exclusively to watch his playcalls and manage 2 minute drives. Idk if Chilli is doing all this but if so he's terrible.

Reid has cost this damn team 4 games. How the **** does Knile Davis not get a carry last week, especially on THIRD DOWN AND ONE?!

Charles had 4.2 YPC in Oakland and we can't run more in the 2nd half?

I understand Reid has turned chicken shit into chicken salad with this offense, but he makes some of the stupidest mistakes that really cost us games.

The teams Reid took to those NFC championship games weren't any more talented than this Chiefs team.

If they were, it wasn't by much.

Hopefully, the team responds to the loss to Denver by playing at the level we have seen them play at this year. I labeled this Arizona game a "gut check" game and I expect to see KC come out playing the best ball of the year.

You hit the nail on the head with Knile. The Chiefs are at their best when BOTH backs get touches. That's so damn obvious it
s pathetic when it doesn't happen. :shake:

Honest question, the **** does Brad Childress do? Spread cheeks analyst/special projects?

Who can fire this guy?

I'd rather chew on a ball of tinfoil than read another Deberg thread.

LMAO

..because i've bitten down on foil before, and it is not fun

I have a theory.

Alot people still believe it's tough to be both the Head coach & OC. The list isn't big of coaches who have won superbowls and called their own plays.

Disagree. Their defensive talent was downright nasty. Outstanding secondary (Lito Sheppard and Troy Vincent or Bobby Taylor or Sheldon Brown, Brian Dawkins) and some nasty pass rushers (Hugh Douglass, Corey Simon, Jevon Kearse, Bunkley), always solid LBs, and a DC who was outstanding at getting the most of these guys.

Solid talent on offense - solid QB (McNabb), always a good RB (Duce or Westbrook), solid TEs (Chad Lewis, LJ Smith) and a mean nasty offensive line.

Reid had some insanely talented rosters in the early 2000's.

"Coach Reid, we have the results of your blood test; you might want to sit down".

Reid took over a 2-14 team and is also handcuffed because of the offensive line and WR siuation. He's doing fine and we aren't getting one any better.

Dorsey on the other hand has ****ed up 2 first round picks and made no attempts to address the teams biggest holes. I'd be totally good with him moving down the road.

In spite of what is said publicly I have strong doubts about how much power Dorsey actually has. I doubt he is soley doing the shopping and Andy is just cooking the meal. I dont believe Fisher or Ford are here without Andy's blessing.

I'm sure someone has already answered this but, no. He Can't

While I agree Pederson's playcalling has been suspect at times, we really need to see coaches film to determine if noone is getting open, Alex is missing reads, line not blocking... or any combination of the above.

More like ALL of the above.

Of all those groups, OL is the biggest disparity... this group couldn't sniff the jocks of those old Eagles lines, Reid always had some big bruisers in Philly.

With Jim Johnson as DC: 97-62-1 (.606) in the regular season, 10-7 in the playoffs (.588)

Without Jim Johnson: 51-41 (.554) in the regular season, 0-3 in the playoffs. (.000)

I don't think anyone would assume Dorsey is making those decisions in a vacuum.

I don't know any GM in the NFL that does or has operated that way.