Why no bumping the WR's?
 

Why do we play such an "aggressive" defense but never bump he WR's? Especially against Manning? We didn't make him ever hold the ball and the one time we did...BAM!

WTF is with Sutton?

Sutton is terrible..... Chiefs radio was all over him for not adjusting.... He is a man to man coach and it will take quite a bit for Reid to fire him.

They held Manning to less than 200 yards. That's pretty good, actually.

I'd find something else to bitch about. Defense is the least of this team's problems.

Because they were running all over us...

And this thread is about the DBs...

He had 179 yards on 34 attempts. That's an average of 5.2. That's pretty good pass D, I think. Especially vs Manning.

Context is key here

They didn't ramp up the passing game cause there was little need of it, on account of our front 7 getting it pushed in right up the middle, all, night, long!

We have yet to allow a 300 yard passer all season

4.8 ypc isn't 'getting it pushed in'. That certainly isn't good, but I'd be far more concerned about the offense than this.

Of course, local KC sports radio sparked this lame debate, so I get it.

Did you watch the game? Smith tried to press on Denvers first TD.

As stated - you didn't make Manning pass... they ran it pretty well.

In the first game, he was 21 for 26 with 242 yds and 3 TDs. So, 5 TDs in the air in 2 games.

That can happen with the 30th ranked run defense.

this

Manning saw no need to throw the ball when running for 200+ yards

If Manning had needed he would have driven the length of the field for the winning touchdown. No doubt.

Their aids was really flaring up

once again Sutton only has one defense to play

Last year when that happened people said it was because of shitty personnel. Well this year's personnel was selected by Dorsey and Sutton. That excuse doesn't work anymore.

Agree with Mr Laz 1000%....he will not change

It's damn near worst in the league. Nearly 5 yards per carry is definitely getting your shit pushed in.

And the wind was blowing 30 mph.

Chiefs fans need to wake up. The only thing that slowed that offense down was Denver's realization that a 2 score lead was insurmountable for this team.

You really are a piece of crap lately. Number one pass defense. What's their ypa allowed? 5.2 against jughead scram good.

Doesn't count because of the wind.

You could see it in Manning's body language.

They got a lead and ran the ball down our throats. Manning was on cruise control. Why risk Hali or Houston breaking free and stomping on 5head when there was no need.

We sacrifice run defense for pass rush this last offseason and it shows.

They didn't try!!!!! People are dumb. Yeah if Avery doesn't fumble it's close to being a six point game but they didn't try to score more ROFL

Odd.

This place is interesting. Bitch about the personnel, then bitch at the coaching staff for not making it work with the personnel we bitch about. To begin with, we gave up a lot of rushing yards because we have shitty talent at ILB and no run stuffer at Safety.

Overreaction Planet at its best again.

Here's an interesting stat for you:
-Total Chiefs games 12
-Total games where the defense gave up > 10 points in the second half: 3

Those 3 games? Game 1 vs. Tennessee, and Miami & NE (two games where we were blowing the team out in the first half).

And yet we're bitching about our defensive coach not making adjustments. Because we gave up 9 second half points to a top 5 offense. This has been a phenomenal second half defense.

sacrifice? our best run stoppers are all hurt. two of whom played half a game during week 1.

By the way, for those keeping count, our defense averages ~7.5 points in the second half per game.

We are barely giving up a TD per game in the second half and people here are complaining about adjustments.

its the same morons over and over posting the dumb shit. "open up the playbook", "sutton runs the same D, cant make adjustments", "why cant alex make hot route adjustments".. it goes on and on. The lack of general football knowledge shows in those posts, its pretty amusing TBH.

There are a lot of good points, though. There are a lot of things to complain about and some are great points. The overreaction that everything is terrible is what I find amusing.

If things don't work out in the eyes of CP, this team is shit and we wasted the chance at a high draft pick. This place is full of either fair weather fans or people that spend every waking moment hating life. They can't look at things as a bigger picture

Didn't Smith get burned doing that early in the game?

Sutton not making adjustments is pretty apparent the 2 years he's been here.

we lost to the faiders
we lost to the donks


you just chalking that all up to 'poor us ... injuries'?


everyone not making excuses is a moron?

Manning struggled with the wind, and the cold. That's the only flaw with saying we should've thrown more deep balls the other night. Conditions weren't really favorable for it. I don't think Manning hit on a single one of those deep balls. Of course we came out and threw one first play, and they rammed it down our throat.

Manning can be robotic. That's why Crennel has so much success against him, just keep everything in front and force him to take the smart, safe play. We actually did the anti-Crennel... played man to man every down and like a robot, Manning just threw fade after fade after fade trying to beat it. He couldn't hit one of them. Last year he did hit all those throws and that's why he absolutely torched us in Arrowhead.

Our corners aren't good enough to win one-on-one consistently so Sutton plays them back, the mentality is to give them stuff underneath and trust their ability to tackle and limit YAC. Honestly the secondary did enough but the donkies were able to run it down our throat and absolutely demolish time of possession. Sutton's D is pretty soft... need a more stout nose tackle to stuff the run (Poe should come in pass-rush situations and be spelled by a fatty run stuffer instead of play 100% of the snaps like he did in this game) or an enforcer/big hitter type in the middle of the field (yes, we do miss having Derek Johnson)

You can't go 3 and out 3 consecutive times vs. an offense like Denver's.

It's asking for trouble and it's the exact opposite of what we did @ Denver. We got pass happy and weren't able to convert 3rd downs...

Idiot.

The Chiefs have the #9 defense in the NFL, and that's after losing two All-Pro's in Berry and Johnson along with one of the best run stopping DE's in DeVito.

He's been working with trash at the ILB and S positions all season long, throwing barely warm bodies at the CB position opposite of Smith and the Chiefs are still the #9 defense in the NFL.

TOP TEN DEFENSE.

And you think he's going to get fired because they lost to Manning?

Idiot.

Idiot is the guy that defends THE 1-15 raiders and donkeys ramming it down your a**. That's funny

The second half we held them to FG's and not TD's.

Our offense never adjusted...

It's funny as hell... Sacc talking about top 10 defense..... Meanwhile chiefs are 30th in rush defense. Of course nobody passes because they don't have to when the can run at will.

Talk about making up arguments just to fit your point.

Sac was actually understating it. The Chiefs are the #4 ranked points defense. They are giving up 7.5 points in the second halves of games, which is outstanding. But yeah, we'll cherry pick the one stat that doesn't look good.

It isn't cherry picking to figure out that the lowly Raiders who just got beat by 50 rammed it up our ass.

Trey Wingo "it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the Cardinals will take the ball out of Stanton's hands and run the ball this week."

How do YOU know he is not making adjustments? Are you breaking down film to know for sure? All the adjustments in the world will not make up for poor execution.

Give some credit to Denver. They did a good job of bottling up Charles when he did get the ball. The Broncos are just better than the Chiefs right now. It's ok to admit it.


Losing to the Titans and Raiders are the ones that will haunt the Chiefs this year.

Sutton is a joke. Not surprised there are reeruns defending him.

We....agree?

sutton is the andy reid of DC's

if the d plays hard coverage they may be able to score and win some games, if you are playing man ****ing do it right

Its a Pete thread. Seriously his are as bad as Debergs. Sutton was handed no CBs lost our #1 safety and best LB and he still has the D looking decent.

:banghead:

Other than rushing defense. Which will probably get worse if Poe is tired/worn out..

Yeah I honestly don't think Sean Smith is suited for bump coverage. The few times I've seen him do it, he's ineffective at slowing the receiver down, and he's even worse at recovering from it. It's just not part of his skill set imo.

I agree.

It's not good. Nowhere near it.

I ask this: Of this team's 5 losses, how many of them can we put squarely on the D?

Oakland and Denver. They torched our defense. Our offense is a liability due to lack of talent, but the glaring truth is our defensive line should be better than it is at stopping the run and we're not getting torched due in the passing lanes because teams can just run it down our throats. Our offense can do just enough (barring Andy going full reerun) to keep is in the game. We're built to sustain drives and prevent high scoring games, but Andy and his coaching staff is responsible for taking those sustained drives away from our offense. I'd also account the San Francisco loss partially on the shoulders of the defense as well.

Oakland for sure. Yeah, the offense and play calling was a hot mess in the first half, but they handed the defense the lead late in the 4th quarter. They promptly shit down their collective legs.

Denver scored 29 points.

KC had 150 yards, a mere 21 minutes of ball control, was 1-9 on 3rd down, and turned the ball over three times.

KC has one of the top pass D's in the NFL, but leave it to know it all CP fans to insist that they're not playing pass defense properly.

Reminds me when KC would lose a 44-45 shoot out and morons would blame Trent Green. Oakland didn't just beat KC. They exposed them. I expect KC to go 1-3 down this final stretch.

KC can't stop the run because we have two scrubs who suck playing inside. Well below average players. I'm shocked that Oakland was the first team to really attack the hole left by DJ's injury. It's been glaring to any KC fan that teams COULD run the ball on us, but simply were not relying on it enough. Now they are, and the result is what one would expect.

Another reason KC can't stop the run is because Sutton loves small sub packages more than the average DC, and teams like to run on passing downs because our personnel is so pass oriented.

People don't think Denver took the foot off the pedal a bit? Manning and the run game sliced thru the D at will to jump to an insurmountable lead.

I think Sutton's doing a decent job overall considering the talent and injuries, but I honestly don't think the D is as dominant as some of the statistics.

Right. They intentionally settled for only FGs the entire 2nd half. LMAO

GTFO

Yeah. That Oakland go ahead TD drive was inexcusable. Offense was horrible for most of the game, but they did come back and get the lead.

Like last season, teams figured out a way to expose our Defense. Last season Sutton did not adjust and we got our asses kicked last part of the season.

I wonder if he will adjust this season? Most likely not.
Teams are going to watch Peyton Manning film, and do as he did.

You can start playing the clock as well as the score.

Denver was burning clock.



our offense just isn't good enough

Pass offense is horrible and so is our rush defense....not a good combination.

Phili Fans on the radio "No matter how bad Chiefs fans want Andy to change his ways, he wont ever let anyone else call the plays or fire any assistants, might as well just get used to it like we did!"

I'd say the offense was just as much to blame in the SF and OAK games. I'd also give them about equal blame in the second DEN game.

Sweet.

Oh, you don't know what 'torched' means LOL

Last January in Indianapolis. That's 'torched'.

Number 4 defense in points. You guys are morons bitching about the defense. We have turds at ILB and the run D of course suffers.

It's likely a six point game if A very doesn't fumble but the doncs weren't trying to score ROFL

He will change we he gets to a real franchise. /cp