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noa 12-17-2014 03:21 PM

AMC, Regal, and other chains are pulling The Interview
 
I'm pretty surprised at how gutless everyone is. I have no idea how funny the movie will be, but I liked the trailer and I was hoping to see it. I wonder how much they could make if it goes straight to on demand.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/source-top-five-theater-circuits-758843

Buehler445 12-17-2014 03:22 PM

Why? Do we not want to hurt Nkoreas feelings?

dmahurin 12-17-2014 03:22 PM

Stupid, gutless decision.

DaveNull 12-17-2014 03:23 PM

The whole thing is weird. Do they know about Team America?

keg in kc 12-17-2014 03:35 PM

Something for whatever reason left out of that article is that Sony basically asked them to.

keg in kc 12-17-2014 03:45 PM

Actually I guess it was in there, I just missed it on my scan read.

Although they interpreted sony telling them the chains they didn't care if they pulled the movie as sony holding their ground.

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 03:51 PM

A good friend of mine created the trailer for this film, which involves watching the entire movie and editing it for TV and Theatrical release.

Anyway, he said the movie was pretty damn funny. He said there area few bits that don't work but overall, it's enjoyable.

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 04:38 PM

Sony pulled it altogether:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...view/20519545/

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 04:38 PM

IMO, they should make it available PPV on Christmas Day. It's not like it's an "Awards" type of film that needs to be released in theaters.

noa 12-17-2014 04:51 PM

That's a shame. What would they charge for ppv initially? I think usually new movies that go vod are around $11-$12, but seems like they could go higher with this one.
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hometeam 12-17-2014 04:51 PM

Shouldn't surprise anyone. Its knee-jerk reaction bullshit. Meanwhile, people can sit around and watch Saw 14 where people get there heads cut off and glued back together no problem.

Swanman 12-17-2014 04:56 PM

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Deberg_1990 12-17-2014 05:08 PM

Movie Industry is pretty sensitive to threats after the Aurora disaster. Obviously.

MTG#10 12-17-2014 05:12 PM

I thought it looked stupid but I want to see it now. Good job hackers.

eDave 12-17-2014 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11198739)
A good friend of mine created the trailer for this film, which involves watching the entire movie and editing it for TV and Theatrical release.

Anyway, he said the movie was pretty damn funny. He said there area few bits that don't work but overall, it's enjoyable.

So why was the trailer so bad? There is nothing in that trailer to indicate it is a good movie.

I mean, I've seen some other clips and it might just be good. But the trailer...

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11199009)
So why was the trailer so bad? There is nothing in that trailer to indicate it is a good movie.

I mean, I've seen some other clips and it might just be good. But the trailer...

I actually liked the trailer and it made me more interested in the film.

As for good or bad, who can tell from a trailer, anyway?

listopencil 12-17-2014 06:02 PM

From the trailer it looked like one of those stupidly funny movies. Lots of situational humor and improvised gags around a loose script. I wouldn't have gone out of my way to watch it, but I could see going to the movies with friends/family over the holiday vacation and picking it if choices at a theatre were limited. I wouldn't be surprised if pulling it for political/safety reasons is a ploy to grow interest in the movie.

unlurking 12-17-2014 06:13 PM

Sony should just say **** you and post it on YouTube.

Aries Walker 12-17-2014 06:15 PM

Well, this is growing teeth extending far beyond the movie world.

Quote:

Originally Posted by New York Times
U.S. Links North Korea to Sony Hacking

By DAVID E. SANGER and NICOLE PERLROTH - DEC. 17, 2014

WASHINGTON — American intelligence officials have concluded that the North Korean government was “centrally involved” in the recent attacks on Sony Pictures’s computers, a determination reached just as Sony on Wednesday canceled its release of the comedy, which is based on a plot to assassinate Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader.

Senior administration officials, who would not speak on the record about the intelligence findings, said the White House was still debating whether to publicly accuse North Korea of what amounts to a cyberterrorism campaign. Sony’s decision to cancel release of “The Interview” amounted to a capitulation to the threats sent out by hackers this week that they would launch attacks, perhaps on theaters themselves, if the movie was released.

Officials said it was not clear how the White House would decide to respond to North Korea. Some within the Obama administration argue that the government of Mr. Kim must be directly confronted, but that raises the question of what consequences the administration would threaten — or how much of its evidence it could make public without revealing details of how the United States was able to penetrate North Korean computer networks to trace the source of the hacking.

Others argue that a direct confrontation with the North over the threats to Sony and moviegoers might result in escalation, and give North Korea the kind of confrontation it often covets. Japan, for which Sony is an iconic corporate name, has argued that a public accusation could interfere with delicate diplomatic negotiations underway for the return of Japanese nationals kidnapped years ago.

The sudden urgency inside the administration over the Sony issue came after a new threat was delivered this week to desktop computers at Sony’s offices that if “The Interview” was released on Dec. 25, “the world will be full of fear.” It continued: “Remember the 11th of September 2001. We recommend you to keep yourself distant from the places at that time.”

Sony dropped its plan to release the film after the four largest theater chains in the United States — Regal Entertainment, AMC Theaters, Cinemark and Carmike Cinemas — and several smaller chains said they would not show the film. The cancellations virtually killed “The Interview” as a theatrical enterprise, at least in the near term, one of the first known instances of a threat from another nation pre-empting the release of a movie.

While intelligence officials have concluded that the cyberattack on Sony was both state sponsored and far more destructive than any seen before on American soil, there are still differences of opinion over whether North Korea was aided by Sony insiders with an intimate knowledge of the company’s computer systems.

“This is of a different nature than past attacks,” one senior official said. A cyberattack that began by wiping out data on corporate computers — something that had previously been seen in attacks in South Korea and Saudi Arabia, but not the United States — has turned “into a threat to the safety of Americans” if the movie was shown. However, the official, echoing a statement from the Department of Homeland Security, said there was “no specific, credible threat information” that would suggest that any attack was imminent.

It is not clear how the United States came to its determination that the North Korean regime played a central role in the Sony attacks. North Korea has been a notoriously hard target for computer penetration. But four years ago the National Security Agency launched a major effort to penetrate the country’s computer operations, including its elite cyberteam, and to establish “implants” in the country’s networks that, like a radar system, would monitor the development of malware transmitted from the country.

But it is hardly a foolproof system. Much of North Korea’s hacking is done from China. And while the attack on Sony used some commonly available cybertools, one intelligence official said, “This was of a sophistication that a year ago we would have said was beyond the North’s capabilities.”

It is rare for the United States to publicly accuse countries suspected of involvement in cyberintrusions or attacks. The administration never publicly said who attacked White House and State Department computers over the past two months, or JPMorgan Chase’s systems last summer. Russia is suspected in the first two cases, but there is conflicting evidence on JPMorgan.

But in this case, there is a long forensic trail. The attackers used readily available commercial tools to wipe data off Sony’s machines. They also borrowed tools and techniques that had been used in at least two previous attacks, one in Saudi Arabia two years ago — widely attributable to Iran — and another last year in South Korea, aimed at banks and media companies.

The attacks at Sony were routed from command and control centers across the world, including a convention center in Singapore and a computer at Thammasat University in Thailand. But one of those command and control servers, a computer in Bolivia, had been used before, in a limited set of cyberattacks on South Korean targets two years ago. That suggests, but does not prove that that the same group or individuals may have been behind both attacks.

The Sony malware also shared remarkable similarities with the malware used in the destructive attacks on South Korean banks and broadcasters last year. Those attacks, which also destroyed data belonging to their victims, are believed to be the work of a cybercriminal gang known as Dark Seoul. Some experts say they cannot rule out the possibility that the Sony attack was the work of a Dark Seoul copycat.

The Sony attack also borrowed a wiping tool from an attack two years ago at Saudi Aramco, where hackers wiped out data off 30,000 Aramco computers, replacing it with an image of a burning American flag.

Security experts were never able to track down the hackers behind the attacks at Saudi Aramco, though United States officials have long said they believe the attacks emanated from Iran, using tools that are now on the black market.

In each attack, experts were never able to confirm the initial entry point. At Sony, forensics investigators are looking into the possibility that the attackers may have had some inside help. Embedded in the malicious code were the names of Sony servers and administrative credentials that allowed the malware to spread across Sony’s network.

“It’s clear that they already had access to Sony’s network before the attack,” said Jaime Blasco, a security researcher at AlienVault.


unlurking 12-17-2014 06:15 PM

Alarmist douchebags like this are why NK's threats are even being listened to. ****ing idiots.

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DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 11199097)
Sony should just say **** you and post it on YouTube.

Financially, that would be a disaster. They've spent more than $45 million on the production of the movie and tens of millions more on marketing. They can't just dump it out there for free.

PPV would be the best bet, followed by releasing it on Starz (which has an exclusive deal with Sony) then Amazon and finally, Netflix.

Zebedee DuBois 12-17-2014 06:32 PM

$45MM seems like a lot of money to you and me, but that is not as big as a lot of films. Plus, this film doesn't have all the cross marketing tie-ins that could be milked for money. No games, etc. They may get a chunk back on pay for view. Pulling it is the safe move. Think how much an actual attack would cost them. People would shun theatres for months.
It feels like giving in, and that feels shitty - but it is probably the smart move.

Deberg_1990 12-17-2014 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebedee DuBois (Post 11199146)
$45MM seems like a lot of money to you and me, but that is not as big as a lot of films. Plus, this film doesn't have all the cross marketing tie-ins that could be milked for money. No games, etc. They may get a chunk back on pay for view. Pulling it is the safe move. Think how much an actual attack would cost them. People would shun theatres for months.
It feels like giving in, and that feels shitty - but it is probably the smart move.

Personally I think it's a hollow threat. But I can understand Sonys concern.

Doesn't matter how much a movie costs, no studio wants to lose money on a film. It's still a business. Has to sting some. With all the extra attention, this was starting to feel like a sleeper hit.

Aries Walker 12-17-2014 06:42 PM

I think Sony is hemorrhaging money so badly right now, they don't give a single inkling of a tiny shit about 45 million dollars. They're in survival mode.

BigRedChief 12-17-2014 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11198872)
IMO, they should make it available PPV on Christmas Day. It's not like it's an "Awards" type of film that needs to be released in theaters.

This!

I understand Sony pulling the movie, Real or perceived threat it would have killed the box office on Christmas day. People would have been nervous.

From my viewpoint, you can't just let this slide. We can't allow other countries to dictate to our artists what is acceptable, good satire or funny in our society. Talk about a slippery slope.

PPV on cable etc would probably go over like gangbusters. People would buy just to say FU dear leader.

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 11199169)
I think Sony is hemorrhaging money so badly right now, they don't give a single inkling of a tiny shit about 45 million dollars. They're in survival mode.

?

BigRedChief 12-17-2014 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 11199101)
Well, this is growing teeth extending far beyond the movie world.

I'm sure payback has already been delivered.

unlurking 12-17-2014 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11199131)
Financially, that would be a disaster. They've spent more than $45 million on the production of the movie and tens of millions more on marketing. They can't just dump it out there for free.

PPV would be the best bet, followed by releasing it on Starz (which has an exclusive deal with Sony) then Amazon and finally, Netflix.

Agreed. My comment was more a way to say **** you to North Korea than worrying about $$.

Baby Lee 12-17-2014 07:13 PM

If this is indeed emanating from NK, I can kind of see them recruiting the talent to do the cyberterrorism, but does anyone really think that NK has true believers among us that would pull off acts resulting in actual physical damage to customers?

jspchief 12-17-2014 07:18 PM

Not worth the risk.

Sure, the threats are likely harmless. But who wants to be responsible for a terror attack just to show a movie? I hate the idea of allowing a threat of terrorism to have this impact, but from a business perspective of a theater owner, its an easy choice to make.

Tribal Warfare 12-17-2014 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 11199097)
Sony should just say **** you and post it on YouTube.

They'll probably " Veronica Mars" it and have it on PPV.

eDave 12-17-2014 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11199053)
I actually liked the trailer and it made me more interested in the film.

As for good or bad, who can tell from a trailer, anyway?

But isn't that what the trailer is for? All I saw in it was really stupid, adolescent humor and I dismissed it accordingly. If there is more to it, why not trail that stuff too?

Eh, I am giving too many craps. Thanks Dane. I was really just interested on your take.

unlurking 12-17-2014 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 11199275)
Not worth the risk.

Sure, the threats are likely harmless. But who wants to be responsible for a terror attack just to show a movie? I hate the idea of allowing a threat of terrorism to have this impact, but from a business perspective of a theater owner, its an easy choice to make.

It's not "just to show a movie". This is a foreign government being able to apply censorship within US boundaries. Bad enough when our own government attacks our freedoms, it should create massive outrage that it's being done by a foreign government.

Instead we'll just get a bunch of, "well, it's just a movie" comments.

Bowser 12-17-2014 07:28 PM

We should go kick the North's ass just for denying us the chance to see Lizzy Caplan on the big screen. That is ****ing bullshit.

unlurking 12-17-2014 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 11199286)
They'll probably " Veronica Mars" it and have it on PPV.

That's my guess as well. If they were smart, they'd make it available ASAP and ride all of this free marketing. I know I was not planning to see it anytime soon as I'm kind of sick of Rogen/Franco. They make it available online and I'll pay for it just because **** NK.

unlurking 12-17-2014 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 11199305)
We should go kick the North's ass just for denying us the chance to see Lizzy Caplan on the big screen. That is ****ing bullshit.

We have more of a reason to invade NK with this then we did Iraq. No yellow cake Halliburton bullshit here.

eDave 12-17-2014 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 11199304)
It's not "just to show a movie". This is a foreign government being able to apply censorship within US boundaries. Bad enough when our own government attacks our freedoms, it should create massive outrage that it's being done by a foreign government.

Instead we'll just get a bunch of, "well, it's just a movie" comments.

How did they apply censorship? Sony made a choice. All by themselves.

unlurking 12-17-2014 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11199319)
How did they apply censorship? Sony made a choice. All by themselves.

The theaters started making the choice originally, and then Sony backed them.

AFTER the hackers made a threat telling everyone to stay away from theaters and remember what happened on 9/11. This is not a choice Sony made all by themselves.

eDave 12-17-2014 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 11199286)
They'll probably " Veronica Mars" it and have it on PPV.

That doesn't make sense to me. They will still be distributing the film and the hacking and leaks will continue. I suspect the biggest thing here is an attempt by Sony to stop that. They know what data was stolen.

eDave 12-17-2014 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 11199325)
The theaters started making the choice originally, and then Sony backed them.

AFTER the hackers made a threat telling everyone to stay away from theaters and remember what happened on 9/11. This is not a choice Sony made all by themselves.

So? Sony and the theaters made the choice to suppress the movie. The hackers did not suppress it. They simply suggested it.

Tribal Warfare 12-17-2014 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11199328)
That doesn't make sense to me. They will still be distributing the film and the hacking and leaks will continue. I suspect the biggest thing here is an attempt by Sony to stop that. They know what data was stolen.

On premium cable Television like Homeland have worse elements so to recoup any monetary loss will be out exhausted considering pirating movies have always been prevalent in the modern internet age.

unlurking 12-17-2014 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11199333)
So? Sony and the theaters made the choice to suppress the movie. The hackers did not suppress it. They simply suggested it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoP
Warning
We will clearly show it to you at the very time and places “The Interview” be shown, including the premiere, how bitter fate those who seek fun in terror should be doomed to.
Soon all the world will see what an awful movie Sony Pictures Entertainment has made.
The world will be full of fear.
Remember the 11th of September 2001.
We recommend you to keep yourself distant from the places at that time.
(If your house is nearby, you’d better leave.)
Whatever comes in the coming days is called by the greed of Sony Pictures Entertainment.
All the world will denounce the SONY.


I love the "simply suggested" it idea.

I wonder if I can call in a bomb threat and use that as a defense in court.

"Well I simply suggested they not have a test today. They made the choice to close the school, not me."

jspchief 12-17-2014 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 11199304)
It's not "just to show a movie". This is a foreign government being able to apply censorship within US boundaries. Bad enough when our own government attacks our freedoms, it should create massive outrage that it's being done by a foreign government.

Instead we'll just get a bunch of, "well, it's just a movie" comments.

If im a business owner, I probably dont risk it all for a Seth Rogen movie.

eDave 12-17-2014 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 11199342)
On premium cable Television like Homeland have worse elements so to recoup any monetary loss will be out exhausted considering pirating movies have always been prevalent in the modern internet age.

I get the capitalist part of it. But I suspect Sony is saying "no mas" to the hackers.

As always, stay tuned.

unlurking 12-17-2014 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11199328)
That doesn't make sense to me. They will still be distributing the film and the hacking and leaks will continue. I suspect the biggest thing here is an attempt by Sony to stop that. They know what data was stolen.

And Sony would be complete ****ing morons to consider any unreleased data as something they can put bag in the bottle. Making decisions based on the hope that additional data won't be released is ****ing stupid. They should consider all data as already being released, and move on. Letting NK black mail you for the next decade is pure stupidity.

keg in kc 12-17-2014 07:45 PM

If I understand what I'm reading now the US government is confirming it was North Korean government hackers.

So we're talking about an actual nation-state with nuclear weapons led by a complete whackjob, not some ethereal terrorist network trying.

Makes me wonder if maybe Sony Pictures itself hasn't been getting some advice/pressure from the US state department.

unlurking 12-17-2014 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 11199349)
If im a business owner, I probably dont risk it all for a Seth Rogen movie.

I would.

And I'd throw a massive party to boot.

Believing NK can strike a bunch of movie theaters with physical terrorist attacks is not something people in this country would normally be afraid of. We've been conditioned to fear this stuff. It's bullshit.

eDave 12-17-2014 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 11199346)
I love the "simply suggested" it idea.

I wonder if I can call in a bomb threat and use that as a defense in court.

"Well I simply suggested they not have a test today. They made the choice to close the school, not me."

Solid point. I change my "simply suggested" to "bullied" or "blackmailed". We can be pussies, or show the movie and FU to NK. You don't even believe they have the capability to launch attacks on theaters.

Look man, I get it. But if the hackers went in and destroyed every known copy of the film, preventing it from ever being seen, then I would agree with you that a foreign entity suppressed our rights.

unlurking 12-17-2014 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11199355)
If I understand what I'm reading now the US government is confirming it was North Korean government hackers.

So we're talking about an actual nation-state with nuclear weapons led by a complete whackjob, not some ethereal terrorist network trying.

Makes me wonder if maybe Sony Pictures itself hasn't been getting some advice/pressure from the US state department.

They can't launch a competent attack on their nemesis South Korea, why the **** would we worry?!

unlurking 12-17-2014 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11199361)
Solid point. I change my "simply suggested" to "bullied" or "blackmailed". We can be pussies, or show the movie and FU to NK. You don't even believe they have the capability to launch attacks on theaters.

Look man, I get it. But if the hackers went in and destroyed every known copy of the film, preventing it from ever being seen, then I would agree with you that a foreign entity suppressed our rights.

OK, semantics.

My point is that we are ALLOWING a foreign government to censor our media. Of course we don't have to allow that to happen, but the fact that this hasn't spiked outrage in this country really shows just how far we've fallen.

I apologize if my comments are too aggressive. Not meaning to be a dick, just pissed.

Wonder if we'll get a new ePATRIOT Act out of all this. :(

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11199291)
But isn't that what the trailer is for? All I saw in it was really stupid, adolescent humor and I dismissed it accordingly. If there is more to it, why not trail that stuff too?

Eh, I am giving too many craps. Thanks Dane. I was really just interested on your take.

Dave, I really wish I could answer your question.

The truth is, I have no idea why trailers are cut as they are these days. Some seem to give away the entire plot, some seem vague and some just don't represent the film at all.

It's definitely a mystery.

keg in kc 12-17-2014 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 11199365)
They can't launch a competent attack on their nemesis South Korea, why the **** would we worry?!

We (by 'we' i mean the state department) seem to worry about everything else when it comes to terrorism, so why not this...

eDave 12-17-2014 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 11199371)
OK, semantics.

My point is that we are ALLOWING a foreign government to censor our media. Of course we don't have to allow that to happen, but the fact that this hasn't spiked outrage in this country really shows just how far we've fallen.

I apologize if my comments are too aggressive. Not meaning to be a dick, just pissed.

Wonder if we'll get a new ePATRIOT Act out of all this. :(

Solid. I'm pissed too so my apologies as well. Because we are woosing out. Shit sure has changed.

eDave 12-17-2014 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11199372)
Dave, I really wish I could answer your question.

The truth is, I have no idea why trailers are cut as they are these days. Some seem to give away the entire plot, some seem vague and some just don't represent the film at all.

It's definitely a mystery.

Well there's my answer. Thanks dude.

Brock 12-17-2014 07:57 PM

All it takes is a chickenshit threat to shut down sony? Are they japanese or french?

keg in kc 12-17-2014 07:59 PM

I'm not particularly upset because for me it's a stupid-looking movie I wasn't going to see anyway. Hell, I may be more likely to see it now than I was before. (you know, thinking about it that way....)

And Sony Pictures has been a disaster for years, all the shit the hacking's let out is probably going to be good for us (the entertainment consumer) in the long run.

And I think most of international politics is bullshit at this point. The world is a series of interconnected transnational corporations. Including the US. Government in the 21st century is all about business.

unlurking 12-17-2014 08:03 PM

Spoiler!


http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/16/7...un-death-scene

Death scene.

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11199375)
Well there's my answer. Thanks dude.

Yeah, it sucks, man, and it makes my job infinitely more difficult.

In 2011, I began composing and producing music for film and TV. Since then, I've had several national commercials, tons of network promos, scored a film for Paramount and placed music in thousands of episodes of network and cable TV.

While I am very, very fortunate for the work, I still have no idea why the "Decision Makers" make the decisions they make. I can't tell you how many times I've been been paid to create music for a commercial or specific work, only for my work not to be used. It's all good because I'm generally paid upfront for the work. Then, I'll hear the commercial/promo/theme song/whatever and think "That's what they wanted? That's completely different from the work order!".

I'm not very good at mind reading although I'm trying to learn. :D

Anyway, short story long, it's nearly impossible to know unless you happen to be in the room.

eDave 12-17-2014 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 11199399)
[spoiler]

Death scene.

Huh. Decent cinematography.

eDave 12-17-2014 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11199401)
Yeah, it sucks, man, and it makes my job infinitely more difficult.

In 2011, I began composing and producing music for film and TV. Since then, I've had several national commercials, tons of network promos, scored a film for Paramount and placed music in thousands of episodes of network and cable TV.

While I am very, very fortunate for the work, I still have no idea why the "Decision Makers" make the decisions they make. I can't tell you how many times I've been been paid to create music for a commercial or specific work, only for my work not to be used. It's all good because I'm generally paid upfront for the work. Then, I'll hear the commercial/promo/theme song/whatever and think "That's what they wanted? That's completely different from the work order!".

I'm not very good at mind reading although I'm trying to learn. :D

Anyway, short story long, it's nearly impossible to know unless you happen to be in the room.

One day, I'd like to talk to you about all of that. I'm very interested in what you do. I'd gladly meet you in Hollywood.

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11199386)
I'm not particularly upset because for me it's a stupid-looking movie I wasn't going to see anyway. Hell, I may be more likely to see it now than I was before. (you know, thinking about it that way....)

And Sony Pictures has been a disaster for years, all the shit the hacking's let out is probably going to be good for us (the entertainment consumer) in the long run.

And I think most of international politics is bullshit at this point. The world is a series of interconnected transnational corporations. Including the US. Government in the 21st century is all about business.

I've had a film I scored in 2011 that's been sitting in the can at Sony/Columbia. I'm not saying the film is any good (and it's not) but they should release it and let the producer move on.

The coolest part was attending a screening, which is in the basement of Columbia Pictures. They had the largest, most comfortable theater seats in the entire world. Since I'd seen the movie a billion times while scoring it, I sat there and imagined what the hell had gone on down there in the past 90 years.

:D

keg in kc 12-17-2014 08:18 PM

I didn't realize you were doing that now.

I'm sure I've heard some of your stuff.

(And thought 'what the **** kind of hack wrote that shit' :evil: )

listopencil 12-17-2014 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 11199399)
Spoiler!


http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/16/7...un-death-scene

Death scene.

Wow. That actually makes me kind of want to see the movie. I laughed.

RobBlake 12-17-2014 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11199372)
Dave, I really wish I could answer your question.

The truth is, I have no idea why trailers are cut as they are these days. Some seem to give away the entire plot, some seem vague and some just don't represent the film at all.

It's definitely a mystery.

how did you get into the industry?

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RobBlake (Post 11199521)
how did you get into the industry?

I came out to LA to be a "Rock Star". Unfortunately, I came out in 1993, just before the "Death" of the industry.

I ended up working for both Universal and Paramount's music division, which was awesome. I learned the music business inside and out and was an exec when I left in 2004.

The intention was to get into film and TV immediately but life got in the way. We bought a house that needed a massive remodel from top to bottom, decided to travel and start a family. I didn't get a chance to follow my "dream" until late 2010.

I attended a networking party and met several emormously successful guys and really hit it off with one guy in particular. As it turned out, he had earned $500k plus per year for a decade through music libraries and commercials. The guy had "the" life. His royalties will continue far beyond his lifetime and barely even worked anymore.

Anyway, he suggested I get into the same business. I followed his advice and while he introduced me to several of his contacts, I began watching reality TV to find out which libraries were "hot". I began making notes and contacting them via email the next day. Unfortunately, most said it would be at least 90 days after submission before I'd receive a response. Much to my surprise, they all contacted me within four or five hours.

My wife and I began hearing my music on TV within weeks. I've been very fortunate and have placed music on more than 1,400 episodes of network and cable TV in the past 15 months, all part time while I've been the primary caretaker of our 2 year old as well as my wife's cancer ordeal.

Deberg_1990 12-17-2014 08:57 PM

Heh, Alamo Drafthouse says *uck You North Korea!



http://chicksontheright.com/posts/it...korean-threats


According to that sourcelink, since Sony has canceled the release of The Interview, the movie that is causing North Korea to get its panties in a twist and take down Sony in the process, the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema's Dallas/Fort Worth theater is hosting a FREE SCREENING of Team America: World Police.

There are no words to express how much I love this, so instead, I give you this:



If you've seen Team America, you'll appreciate that.

The theater is going to hand out American flags and other patriotic items, because TEXAS, y'all. On the theater website, they say, "THAT is how true American heroes will be celebrating this year, but if you want to let the terrorists win...well, that's your prerogative."

I freaking love Texas.

eDave 12-17-2014 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11199550)
I came out to LA to be a "Rock Star". Unfortunately, I came out in 1993, just before the "Death" of the industry.

I ended up working for both Universal and Paramount's music division, which was awesome. I learned the music business inside and out and was an exec when I left in 2004.

The intention was to get into film and TV immediately bit life got in the way. We bought a house that needed a massive remodel from top to bottom, decided to travel and start a family. I didn't get a chance to follow my "dream" until late 2010.

I attended a networking party and met several emormously successful guys and really hit it off with one guy in particular. As it turned out, he had earned $500k plus per year for a decade through music libraries and commercials. The guy had "the" life. His royalties would continue far beyond his lifetime and barely even worked anymore.

Anyway, he suggested I get into the same business. I followed his advice and while he introduced me to several of his contacts, I began watching reality TV to find out which libraries were "hot". I began making notes and contacting them via email the next day. Unfortunately, most said it would be at least 90 days after submission before I'd receive a response. Much to my surprise, they all contacted me within four or five hours.

My wife and began hearing my music on TV within weeks. I've been very fortunate and have placed music on more than 1,400 episodes of network and cable TV in the past 15 months, all part time while I've been the primary caretaker of our 2 year old as well as my wife's cancer ordeal.

Um, yeah. You should do an AMA.

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11199448)
I didn't realize you were doing that now.

I'm sure I've heard some of your stuff.

(And thought 'what the **** kind of hack wrote that shit' :evil: )

I'm sure you did. :D

DaneMcCloud 12-17-2014 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 11199555)
Um, yeah. You should do an AMA.

I could do one here on Chiefsplanet, if people are actually interested

Deberg_1990 12-17-2014 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11199550)
I came out to LA to be a "Rock Star". Unfortunately, I came out in 1993, just before the "Death" of the industry.

I ended up working for both Universal and Paramount's music division, which was awesome. I learned the music business inside and out and was an exec when I left in 2004.

The intention was to get into film and TV immediately but life got in the way. We bought a house that needed a massive remodel from top to bottom, decided to travel and start a family. I didn't get a chance to follow my "dream" until late 2010.

I attended a networking party and met several emormously successful guys and really hit it off with one guy in particular. As it turned out, he had earned $500k plus per year for a decade through music libraries and commercials. The guy had "the" life. His royalties will continue far beyond his lifetime and barely even worked anymore.

Anyway, he suggested I get into the same business. I followed his advice and while he introduced me to several of his contacts, I began watching reality TV to find out which libraries were "hot". I began making notes and contacting them via email the next day. Unfortunately, most said it would be at least 90 days after submission before I'd receive a response. Much to my surprise, they all contacted me within four or five hours.

My wife and began hearing my music on TV within weeks. I've been very fortunate and have placed music on more than 1,400 episodes of network and cable TV in the past 15 months, all part time while I've been the primary caretaker of our 2 year old as well as my wife's cancer ordeal.


Congrats Dane! Your winning at life!

alnorth 12-17-2014 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 11199275)
Not worth the risk.

Sure, the threats are likely harmless. But who wants to be responsible for a terror attack just to show a movie? I hate the idea of allowing a threat of terrorism to have this impact, but from a business perspective of a theater owner, its an easy choice to make.

The risk is zero. Not literally, but it is so infinitesimal that it may as well be zero. There is no reason, whatsoever, to believe that these threats have any validity at all.

Given that, the decision by the theater chains is both gutless and reeruned.

hometeam 12-17-2014 09:07 PM

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

****ing pussies. Its the principal of the thing.

Aries Walker 12-17-2014 09:12 PM

I'm just going to pop in to say that the Alamo Drafthouse is indeed amazing. I saw Sweeney Todd there, for which they were serving meat pies. The experience was far greater than the movie.

hometeam 12-17-2014 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Aries Walker (Post 11199582)
I'm just going to pop in to say that the Alamo Drafthouse is indeed amazing. I saw Sweeney Todd there, for which they were serving meat pies. The experience was far greater than the movie.

I have been to the one in Houston plenty of times.

Isnt there one in KC?

keg in kc 12-17-2014 09:20 PM

Yeah, used to be the amc downtown.

Kidd Lex 12-17-2014 09:22 PM

****ing unbelievable they cancelled the showings because of threats....these are dark times

Brock 12-17-2014 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11199562)
I could do one here on Chiefsplanet, if people are actually interested

**** yes

Sure-Oz 12-17-2014 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11199550)
I came out to LA to be a "Rock Star". Unfortunately, I came out in 1993, just before the "Death" of the industry.

I ended up working for both Universal and Paramount's music division, which was awesome. I learned the music business inside and out and was an exec when I left in 2004.

The intention was to get into film and TV immediately but life got in the way. We bought a house that needed a massive remodel from top to bottom, decided to travel and start a family. I didn't get a chance to follow my "dream" until late 2010.

I attended a networking party and met several emormously successful guys and really hit it off with one guy in particular. As it turned out, he had earned $500k plus per year for a decade through music libraries and commercials. The guy had "the" life. His royalties will continue far beyond his lifetime and barely even worked anymore.

Anyway, he suggested I get into the same business. I followed his advice and while he introduced me to several of his contacts, I began watching reality TV to find out which libraries were "hot". I began making notes and contacting them via email the next day. Unfortunately, most said it would be at least 90 days after submission before I'd receive a response. Much to my surprise, they all contacted me within four or five hours.

My wife and I began hearing my music on TV within weeks. I've been very fortunate and have placed music on more than 1,400 episodes of network and cable TV in the past 15 months, all part time while I've been the primary caretaker of our 2 year old as well as my wife's cancer ordeal.

Thanks for sharing. Hoping the best for your wife and fam. I would've dmed this but not sure how on tapatalk.

Deberg_1990 12-17-2014 09:40 PM

Now Sony has pulled it from being released at all. For now


http://deadline.com/2014/12/sony-scr...ew-1201328639/

hometeam 12-17-2014 09:44 PM

Is it just me or does this smell like a conspiracy? Wheres ram29jackson to tell us what the **** is really happening~?


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