Is it time to go back to the 4-3?
 

With Hali coming to the end of his career along with DJ, if he comes back, DeVito is getting up there as well, isn't he(?), we seem to be losing the players we need to run a 3-4.

Can Dee Ford play DE in a 4-3?
Can Houston move to a 4-3 OLB ala Von Douche?
Poe on the inside of a 4-3 could be awesome, yes?


What say you all???

FTR, I prefer the 3-4 if you have the people who can play in it. But I don't think we do.

Dee Ford played 4-3 DE in college? I dont watch a lot of college so im probably wrong

I'm not sure. I don't watch much college FB outside of MU.

Auburn ran a 4-2-5 while Dee Ford was there.

Our defense hasn't allowed 30 points or 300 yards this year and has faced manning twice, Brady, Wilson, rivers, and Roethlisberger playing without all pros Derrick Johnson, Eric Berry, and a solid if unspectacular starter in DeVito. This in a league that gives every possible advantage to the offense

Makes perfect sense to blow it up and start over

Best bet is for a 4-3 Under with Houston playing as the SLB. He can blitz often from that spot.

SLB: Justin Houston (TAG), Frank Zombo (820,000)
MLB: Derrick Johnson (5,250,000), Joe Mays (4,000,000)
WLB: James-Michael Johnson (660,000) vs mid-rd draft pick

LDE: Allen Bailey (3,250,000), Mike Catapano (610,781)
LDT: Vance Walker (3,750,000 ), Jaye Howard (660,000)
RDT: Dontari Poe (3,601,822), Nick Williams (510,000 )
RDE: Dee Ford (1,854,250) , Josh Martin (660,000)

This would bring a lot of pass rush, giving Poe and Ford lots of 1 vs 1 matchups.

Our defense has been better than I remember it being in my lifetime. But the 4-3 is supposedly cheaper. Unfortunately we have a premiere 3-4 line backer and nt. I think we'd somewhat hurt Houston's production while probably making Poe mor of a suh type force on the line. So idk.

Defense needs to stay the same. It's working for the most part. DJ will help alot with the run defense.

Run defense has looked a lot better with mays replacing JMJ

Defense would get a lot more praise if they could stumble into a turnover every once in awhile.

Truth. Being DEAD LAST in team takeaways at a pathetic 10 is ugly. Texans lead the league with over 3 times as many.

Imagine where this d would bewith last years takeaways and scoring and this years yardage and red zone ability.

Not to say it might not be now, but the 3-4 was actually considered cheaper and easier to find players. It gave "tweeners" a good spot and allowed teams to find gems later in the draft. However, there are quite a few teams playing the 3-4 now, so that is no longer true most likely.

Oh yeah.. and don't change it. We had some pretty big injuries and really just need a couple defensive backs to make the defense work and be quite good.

Needing a QB doesn't necessitate needing a new Defense.

We need to force three sunday to avoid having the fewest ever

We would also have to get a new DC.

really? wow.. guess that shouldn't surprise.. but is interesting nonetheless. I suspect they become the team with the fewest ever then. :doh!:

Can we just draft qbs in the 1st-3rd until we get one?

The 06 Redskins had 12 which is the fewest since the league went to 16 games

No, the defense is fine. And with Devito and Johnson back next year it should be even better.

The defense has been really pretty solid for as many injuries in key positions. They are on the field a lot due to the type offense we run. I dont see any real need to change. one thing I do see is we are in love with Poe playing every snap. The guy I dont know if he is tired or what but he takes plays off. Being double teamed has to wear on him as he seems to be an animal at start of game then disappears.

No. Personnel is fine for a 1 gap odd system.

No.

We have a NT. That's the hardest one to get.

This.

Also moving from a 3-4 to a 4-3 would make signing Bailey to the contract we did a really ****ing dumb idea.

Keep 3-4. Keep Sutton.

Of all the things that need fixed on the team, THIS is the one you pick?

No.

The Chiefs have one of the best defenses in the league.


**** this thread.

Poe gets played way too much.

X2

Y'all posting in a pete thread.

I'm just looking at who we might be losing. Hali is at the end so there is one key component. DJ may not be back next year or if he is may not be what he once was. Same with Devito. They are coming off injuries that could potentially end their careers.

The voice of reason.

They drafted Dee Ford yanno?

Who????

If you think Dee Ford is going to hold up against the run in the 4-3.....you're sadly ****ing mistaken.

So as Hali's replacement you think he won't have to play the run in a 3-4?

No, I think if Ford is Hali's replacement, we're ****ed............

If Ford is not Hali's replacement then what is his position?

Different situation.

What
in
the
****?

How so?

If Houston, Hali, Poe, Berry and DJ are all elsewhere in 2016, will the 3-4 still be effective?

Ahhhhhhh.


That's what the ****.

This is what getting no pussy will do to a man.

Houston and Poe will be here. Berry most likely out next season if not for good. DJ is a big ? since his injury is one that could keep him from being what he was.

If you look at the Chiefs Depth Chart, he's backing up Houston. But, I'm sure he was drafted to potentially replace Hali. Either way, I think we are completely ****ed if they think Dee Ford is going to replace Hali in '15.

Sadly we could have about 10 more INTs if our DBs could catch the throws that have come directly to them. And that number isn't an exaggeration either.

We should draft ILB in the first this year to replace DJ. Houston and Poe will be here. Berry, well the D has been pretty good with out the #5 overall, can be replaced.

Berry is overrated. Sorry but he is. I don't blame us drafting him, everyone had him picked high. That being said we can't waste a 1st rounder on an ILB. We need O-line and WR's. We still have Joe Mays. That helps, not the answer but it helps.

No, he's saying Ford isnt going to line up in a 5 tech vs a tackle. He is better off in a wide 7/9 tech.

Poe is a free agent in 2016...

This

I'll worry about 2016 after 2015. Fair enough?

You're playing checkers when you need to be playing chess.

You don't draft OG in the first. We did draft DJ in the first. Joe Mays is not all that. We do need a WR but after the first couple come off the board, before we pick, the rest are 2cd or later picks.

I think Dee Ford can be a viable 3-4 ROLB.

He will get tagged.

Based on what's there if the ILB is best available than sure. But if WR is there I think the answer is obvious.

I think the 4-3 talk has some merit.

I'm not sure our defense is a good as some would make it out to be. It was at it's best the first half of the season, when the offense was controlling the ball for nearly 40 minutes a game. When the offense stopped doing that, the defense starting getting exposed. The defense the year before started taing off at the end of the season as well.

I could see the 4-3 lineup mentioned being a pretty solid defense... and one where there could actually be some substitutions to keep guys fresh.

I could even see Houston and Ford lining up at the DE spots in a tandum that would be similar to what the Colts use to have in Freeney and Mathis.

I also think we need to mix in some zone concepts to our secondary/ back 7 from time to time.

Reid has only ever taken one WR in the first round. Dorsey never has.

The good QB's can make a star out of a mid-late round WR.

I'd rather drive a Porsche with some mediocre tires, than a Ford Escort with the best tires money can buy.
We need a good QB first.

Break down how you would use our current personnel in a even scheme? Houston fits the perfect mold for a odd OLB. He is too much for a TE to handle on run blocking, not big enough to slide down to a 5 tech and handle the run. Poe would be fine at 3 tech. What about the other DE? Ford? no way.. Bailey? Sure, but now you have Ford as a SAM or WILL in a even scheme.. no thanks. Who is going to play mike if DJ doesnt come back? Mauga as the mike in a even scheme? Helllll no. Guys like Ford, Houston, Hali make their living coming hard off the edge in a 7/9 tech. Odd front lets you hide that 4th rusher, even scheme not so much.

Oh and we play plenty of 'zone concepts' already.

I haven't missed a game, and sadly know this to be true.

I do too.

I know he's a little raw but don't you think he will improve?

I just think the 4-3 is a defense that we need to look at. When you are a .500 football team, all options need to be explored. And I have watched this defense get abused the last 6 to 8 weeks of the season for the past two years. I'm not saying you have to agree with me. It's JMO.

Defense hasn't been a problem this year given they haven't allowed 30 points all season and have only allowed more than three touchdowns' worth of points in five games.

Based on what?

Wishes?

The D was not a problem with this team.

Quit looking for excuses for this shit offense.

Only 4 teams in the NFL are worse against the rush than we are. It's probably not a surprise that those 4 teams are not going to the playoffs either.

So your suggestion is to switch to a scheme that you know nothing about, and we do not have the current personnel for. Brilliant. I'd love to hear your opinion on what KC needs to do offensively in order to fix the lack of production. Maybe go back to the T formation? Perhaps a little swinging-gate tomfoolery is in order? Less reads for Alex!

Yep. The offense sucked in shameful fashion in a few games when the game was reaching the end. They needed a scoring drive with no timeouts and a minute left... but the reason for this was that the defense allowed opponents to chew up clock and timeouts.. making the chance for a final scoring drive far less likely.

Team game... they all feed off each other. KC can't just rest on sketchy statistics and think the defense is fine. The poor run D must be focused on.

No reason to be an asshole about it. Dude is just pondering something to consider. You considered it.. don't like... now just toddle off.

Head-first into a giant garbage disposal, preferably

Whatever dude. I'm just responding to the OP. We are going to be transitioning in defense this off-season for salary cap reasons if nothing else. Health reasons possibly too when you factor in DJ and Berry.

Since I have a different opinion than you, that automatically make me a dumbass. I get it! :rolleyes:

Which is why I don't think we have the LB Corp to play a 3-4 anymore. Houston at OLB and DJ MLB. Even if you keep Hali he can play DE. Having said that, I think we are too thin on talent at the LB position and a 4-3 would be easier going on Poe, imo.

I ****ing hate the 3-4. Never wanted to switch to it 2009. But we are built to run it so it would be silly to switch over now.

I like it only because I like blitzing LB's. Maybe I got spoiled watching DT? Anyhow, I don't know that we are built to run it like we think.

I think not allowing Poe to blow the gaps is costing us. I watched Denver last night and their D-line was shedding blocks and getting in the backfield. Our line eats or tries to eat up blocks instead. I'd just like to see Poe turned loose more.