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petegz28 01-02-2015 02:01 PM

This just in: Sugar is bad for you
 
Scientific team sounds the alarm on sugar as a source of disease

Is sugar making us sick? A team of scientists at the University of California in San Francisco believes so, and they're doing something about it. They launched an initiative to bring information on food and drink and added sugar to the public by reviewing more than 8,000 scientific papers that show a strong link between the consumption of added sugar and chronic diseases.

The common belief until now was that sugar just makes us fat, but it's become clear through research that it's making us sick. For example, there's the rise in fatty-liver disease, the emergence of Type 2 diabetes as an epidemic in children and the dramatic increase in metabolic disorders.

Laura Schmidt, a UCSF professor at the School of Medicine and the lead investigator on the project, SugarScience, said the idea is to make the findings comprehensible and clear to everyone. The results will be available to all on a website (SugarScience.org) and social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter.

Added sugars, Schmidt said, are sugars that don't occur naturally in foods. They are found in 74 percent of all packaged foods, have 61 names and often are difficult to decipher on food labels. Although the U.S. Food and Drug Administration requires food companies to list ingredients on packaging, the suggested daily values of natural and added sugars can't be found.

The FDA is considering a proposal to require food manufacturers to list information on sugars in the same way they do for fats, cholesterol, sodium, carbohydrates and protein. But because so much added sugar is dumped into so many products, one average American breakfast of cereal would likely exceed a reasonable daily limit.

"SugarScience shows that a calorie is not a calorie but rather that the source of a calorie determines how it's metabolized," said pediatric endocrinologist Robert Lustig, a member of the SugarScience team and the author of "Fat Chance: Beating the Odds Against Sugar, Processed Food, Obesity, and Disease." Lustig said that more than half of the U.S. population is sick with metabolic syndrome, a group of risk factors for chronic diseases such as heart disease, diabetes and liver disease that are directly related to the excessive consumption of added sugars in the Western diet.

Figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show the category of heart attack/stroke as the leading cause of death in the United States. Every day, 2,200 Americans die of cardiovascular disease. That's about 800,000 a year, or one in three deaths.

The latest statistics from the American Diabetes Association show that 29.1 million Americans, or 9.3 percent, have diabetes. Of that number, 21 million have been diagnosed and 8.1 million have not, and the numbers continue to grow, according to the association.

It doesn't stop there. The American Liver Foundation says at least 30 million Americans, or 1 in 10, has one of 100 kinds of liver disease.

Clinicians widely believe that obesity is the cause of metabolic disease. Although it is a marker for these diseases, Lustig said, it's not the cause. "Too much sugar causes chronic metabolic disease in both fat and thin people," he said, "and instead of focusing on obesity as the problem, we should be focusing on our processed-food supply."

The average American consumes 19.5 teaspoons (78 grams) of sugar a day, substantially more than the amount recommended by the American Heart Association. The association sets these limits: 6 teaspoons (24 grams) for women, 9 teaspoons (36 grams) for men, and 3-6 teaspoons (12-24 grams) for children, depending on age. Just one 12-ounce soda contains 8 to 9 teaspoons (32-36 grams) of sugar.

Liquid sugar in sodas, energy drinks and sports drinks is the leading source of added sugar in the American diet. That represents 36 percent of all added sugars consumed, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. And because liquid does not include fiber, the body processes it quickly. That causes more sugar to be sent to the pancreas and liver than either can process properly, and the resulting buildup of sugar leads to heart disease, diabetes and liver disease.

Consuming too much sugar causes the level of glucose sugar in the bloodstream to increase. That, in turn, causes the pancreas to release high levels of insulin that cause the body to store extra calories as fat.

Too much insulin also affects the hormone leptin, a natural appetite suppressant that signals the brain to stop eating when full. But the imbalance of insulin levels caused by the intake of too much sugar causes lipid resistance, and the brain no longer gets that signal.

Another member of the SugarScience team, Dean Schillinger, is a professor of medicine at UCSF and a practicing primary care doctor at San Francisco General Hospital. He believes the overconsumption of added sugars is a social problem, not a problem of individual choice and freedom.

"People are becoming literate about the toxic effects of sugar," Schillinger said, "and have more understanding of the idea that high doses are bad for one's health." He sees evidence that those in a higher socioeconomic bracket are taking steps to limit intake of sugar when compared with poorer, less literate people.

Healthy food is expensive and less readily accessible in poorer neighborhoods, and because corn is so abundant and cheap, it is added to many food products. "Dumping high fructose corn syrup into cheap foods, sodas, sports drinks and energy drinks is toxic to the body, causing epidemic metabolic diseases and a serious health crisis," Schillinger said.

To underscore the scope of the problem, he pointed out that during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, 1,500 American soldiers lost a limb in combat. In that same period, 1.5 million people in the U.S. lost limbs to amputations from Type 2 diabetes, a preventable disease. "We have yet to mobilize for a public health war," he said, "but the time has come to do so."

Such a war would have to take on the root causes of the problem. As a nation, Schillinger added, we would need to look at our food policies, food pricing, availability of healthy foods, and the marketing being carried out by food and beverage industries to hook the public on unhealthy choices loaded with added sugar.

Frank Hu, a professor of nutrition and epidemiology at the Harvard School of Public Health, is not a SugarScience researcher, but he agreed that the amount of sugar consumed by the American public is too high. SugarScience, he said, is being helpful by bringing the information about added sugar to public attention.

"It's just about impossible," Hu said, "to know from food labels what kinds and amounts of sugars are in a product." That's why he thinks the FDA should require food companies to list those amounts on all food labels so people know what they're eating, in what amounts they're eating it, and what amounts are safe.

Food labels are important, Schillinger said, and they need to be revised, but the most important change needed is to make the healthier choice the easier choice.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2015-0...ar-source.html

Donger 01-02-2015 02:04 PM

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BossChief 01-02-2015 02:05 PM

Sugar is far more dangerous than weed, but you can buy pounds of sugar anywhere you want but will go to jail if you smoke a joint.

Silly, really.

Just Passin' By 01-02-2015 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11237816)
Sugar is far more dangerous than weed, but you can buy pounds of sugar anywhere you want but will go to jail if you smoke a joint.

Silly, really.

There must be an early competition for stupidest post of the year, because that is yet another sure-fire candidate.

Sully 01-02-2015 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11237816)
Sugar is far more dangerous than weed, but you can buy pounds of sugar anywhere you want but will go to jail if you smoke a joint.

Silly, really.

It leaves a shittier aftertaste than weed when you smoke it, too.

Donger 01-02-2015 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11237816)
Sugar is far more dangerous than weed, but you can buy pounds of sugar anywhere you want but will go to jail if you smoke a joint.

Silly, really.

LMAO

BossChief 01-02-2015 02:13 PM

ROFL

I gotta have some fun on here once in awhile.

Just Passin' By 01-02-2015 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11237849)
ROFL

I gotta have some fun on here once in awhile.

I set you up with a perfect attack line, and you didn't use it. :huh: :(

Oh, well, gotta run anyway. Happy New Year to you and yours.

cosmo20002 01-02-2015 02:19 PM

I really doubt this applies to all the Mike & Ike line of candy. I think those contain "real fruit" and are good for you.

Chief Roundup 01-02-2015 02:46 PM

This has been a known fact for a long time.

Silock 01-02-2015 02:51 PM

Jesus ****. Not this shit again. Robert Lustig is a ****ing moron.

ThaVirus 01-02-2015 03:09 PM

I've read that cancer cells use sugar to replicate more rapidly.

Can anyone confirm or deny?

Hammock Parties 01-02-2015 03:12 PM

You know what's bad for you?

Eating more calories than you burn.

The rest is bullshit.

Mr. Laz 01-02-2015 03:14 PM

I started talking about how terrible sugar is for you several years ago.


took tons of shit for it


good to see that some people are catching up

Bugeater 01-02-2015 03:32 PM

Too long; don't care

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2015 03:35 PM

Duh

I heard smoking is bad for you too. Shocking.

Can we file this under water is wet and the Sun is hot and bright?

Iconic 01-02-2015 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses (Post 11237972)
You know what's bad for you?

Eating more calories than you burn.

The rest is bullshit.

Drastic oversimplification.

BucEyedPea 01-02-2015 05:07 PM

Sugar creates inflammation in the body. Inflammation is not good.

BucEyedPea 01-02-2015 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses (Post 11237972)
You know what's bad for you?

Eating more calories than you burn.

The rest is bullshit.

Weight loss is another matter. Sugar creates inflammation. It should be moderated.

lewdog 01-02-2015 05:31 PM

Exercise and weight lifting creates inflammation too. I suppose I'll stop that as well.

Hammock Parties 01-02-2015 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11238181)
Exercise and weight lifting creates inflammation too. I suppose I'll stop that as well.

I lifted last night and today I've had chocolate yogurt and now i'm eating applesauce.

I'M GOING TO DIE

In58men 01-02-2015 06:00 PM

I just got one of my favorite snacks for Xmas and I'm not throwing them away.


JELLY BELLIES!!!!!!!

ChiliConCarnage 01-02-2015 06:03 PM

I've heard Justin Houston is going to be a Chief next year too!

Mr. Laz 01-02-2015 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses (Post 11237972)
You know what's bad for you?

Eating more calories than you burn.

The rest is bullshit.

and here we go again



every post you make just reconfirms what a gawd dam POS tard you are

Hammock Parties 01-02-2015 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11238312)
and here we go again



every post you make just reconfirms what a gawd dam POS tard you are

I've maintained my weight for years by keeping calories low.

Haven't been to a doctor in years, either.

Never get sick.

007 01-02-2015 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 11238220)
I just got one of my favorite snacks for Xmas and I'm not throwing them away.


JELLY BELLIES!!!!!!!

I hate you.

In58men 01-02-2015 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 11238327)
I hate you.

My perfect time to ask.


Are you jelly?

Brock 01-02-2015 07:07 PM

Fatasses get diabetes. Sugar is to blame.

No.

listopencil 01-02-2015 08:56 PM

I just now ate seven pounds of granulated sugar.

teedubya 01-02-2015 10:39 PM

Watch the documentary, Fed Up. It will infuriate you, how systematically the food industry adds salt and sugar to food to make you crave more of it.

Since I watched that on Oct 30th, I've cut all excess sugar, no sugary drinks, no processed sugar or white carbs... and I'm down 21.8 pounds.

I worked out ZERO times to see the effects without working out. Great jump start to the New Year.

-tw

Dave Lane 01-02-2015 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inmem58 (Post 11238220)
I just got one of my favorite snacks for Xmas and I'm not throwing them away.


JELLY BELLIES!!!!!!!

**** yeah! Twin Cherries too FTMFW!

In58men 01-02-2015 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 11238669)
**** yeah! Twin Cherries too FTMFW!

DOTS are my second fave

ThaVirus 01-02-2015 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 11238665)
Watch the documentary, Fed Up. It will infuriate you, how systematically the food industry adds salt and sugar to food to make you crave more of it.

Since I watched that on Oct 30th, I've cut all excess sugar, no sugary drinks, no processed sugar or white carbs... and I'm down 21.8 pounds.

I worked out ZERO times to see the effects without working out. Great jump start to the New Year.

-tw


The average American has no idea how important diet is to weight loss and body composition.

You can neutralize like 8 hours of working out with one shitty ass meal.

EPodolak 01-03-2015 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 11238665)
Watch the documentary, Fed Up. It will infuriate you, how systematically the food industry adds salt and sugar to food to make you crave more of it.

Since I watched that on Oct 30th, I've cut all excess sugar, no sugary drinks, no processed sugar or white carbs... and I'm down 21.8 pounds.

I worked out ZERO times to see the effects without working out. Great jump start to the New Year.

-tw

According to that movie, a rat addicted to cocaine and to sugar will choose to get his sugar fix first.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/ass...-story-top.jpg

BucEyedPea 01-03-2015 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11238181)
Exercise and weight lifting creates inflammation too. I suppose I'll stop that as well.

Link?

BucEyedPea 01-03-2015 04:01 AM

Just looking up lewdog's claim
 
Hmmm inflammation and exercise—sounds like apples and oranges dog. Not the same thing.
Exercise and Chronic Inflammation

Systemic inflammation is a critical component in the development of cardiovascular disease. Individuals with chronic inflammation often have high levels of C-reactive protein -- a biomarker that correlates with the amount of inflammation in the body. Elevated C-reactive protein levels are significantly reduced in individuals who engage in moderate to intense physical activity compared to those who do not exercise.

Process of Inflammation

Youi can separate inflammation into two categories, acute inflammation which occurs over a short period of time and chronic inflammation which happens over longer time frames. Acute inflammation happens immediately following an injury. Blood flow will increase in the area around the injury, and fluid, blood proteins and white blood cells will move into the tissue. Inflammation is generally part of a healthy immune response; however, sometimes this process becomes uncontrolled. This may lead to a state of chronic inflammation that can trigger the development of diseases like atherosclerosis and cancer.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/45...n-in-the-body/
Sugar is now being found to be a factor in cardiovascular disease—less so fat. ( healthy fat that is). Plus sugar, as well as artificial sweeteners, make the body more acidic. PH balance is important.

Pepe Silvia 01-03-2015 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses (Post 11237972)
You know what's bad for you?

Eating more calories than you burn.

The rest is bullshit.

This.

lewdog 01-03-2015 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11238957)
Link?

You don't need a link for that, it's how the body works. And you clearly linked an article that states exercise causes inflammation. So does eating sugar. How much you eat of it determine how long the inflammation process lasts, kind of like how long you workout for or the intensity at which you do effects how long the inflammation lasts. It is somewhat similar. Nothing should be done to the max. Whether that's eating sugar or working out.

I do both. Anyone that says they avoid sugar altogether is completely lying. In fact, our body does need some amount of sugar to function at it's best. Insulin is an anabolic component in the body. I workout to build muscle. Causing an insulin spike post workout to increase the glycogen re-absorption and protein into the muscles post workout is ideal. I do this with a handful of candy or milk. It's not a huge spike like many think but it's done and done for a reason. Sugar will not cause issues for you unless you are just eating shit all day.

lewdog 01-03-2015 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 11238665)
Watch the documentary, Fed Up. It will infuriate you, how systematically the food industry adds salt and sugar to food to make you crave more of it.

Since I watched that on Oct 30th, I've cut all excess sugar, no sugary drinks, no processed sugar or white carbs... and I'm down 21.8 pounds.

I worked out ZERO times to see the effects without working out. Great jump start to the New Year.

-tw

That's simply because you are eating less calories. Sugary drinks can be a big culprit because they provide no nutritional value but take up way too much of a person's calorie intake for the day. Remove the 400-500 calories you might be getting from these drinks and replace with diet drinks or water and you'll lose weight. It's not because of the sugar.

lewdog 01-03-2015 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EPodolak (Post 11238954)
According to that movie, a rat addicted to cocaine and to sugar will choose to get his sugar fix first.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/ass...-story-top.jpg

It's been mentioned before but rat studies are pretty much worthless. The rat judges it's eating based on it's brain's/body's reward response as it cannot rationalize. And while I love pizza and Oreos as much as the next guy, my brain is a human brain with rational thought and I know the consequences of eating an entire pizza everyday will make me fat. Therefore I choose other foods, since I can also read about nutrition values of food and make informed decisions.

We are humans, we CAN and SHOULD make rational decisions about food. We SHOULD also stop blaming food companies when the average American consumer won't take the time to be even slightly educated about food or how to even read of food label.

Cmd'r&Chief 01-03-2015 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11239026)

We are humans, we CAN and SHOULD make rational decisions about food. We SHOULD also stop blaming food companies when the average American consumer won't take the time to be even slightly educated about food or how to even read of food label.

Don't blame the food companies? This guy works for ****ing Nabisco

BucEyedPea 01-03-2015 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11239011)
You don't need a link for that,

There's nothing wrong with asking you to back up your claim.

Quote:

it's how the body works. And you clearly linked an article that states exercise causes inflammation. So does eating sugar.
Then you need to re read it. There's more to your oversimplified statement.Quit ignoring that to make a strawman argument.

Systemic inflammation is a critical component in the development of cardiovascular disease. Individuals with chronic inflammation often have high levels of C-reactive protein -- a biomarker that correlates with the amount of inflammation in the body. Elevated C-reactive protein levels are significantly reduced in individuals who engage in moderate to intense physical activity compared to those who do not exercise...

Inflammation is generally part of a healthy immune response; however, sometimes this process becomes uncontrolled. This may lead to a state of chronic inflammation that can trigger the development of diseases like atherosclerosis and cancer.
Yes it is now linked to heart disease too.

Quote:

Sugar will not cause issues for you unless you are just eating shit all day.
Again, you need to re read what I posted even earlier. I said sugar needs to be moderated.

And I'd add there's more to sugar than inflammation issues.

ShortRoundChief 01-03-2015 10:12 AM

What if said such sugar is poured on you?

Then is it bad?

BucEyedPea 01-03-2015 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11239025)
That's simply because you are eating less calories. Sugary drinks can be a big culprit because they provide no nutritional value but take up way too much of a person's calorie intake for the day. Remove the 400-500 calories you might be getting from these drinks and replace with diet drinks or water and you'll lose weight. It's not because of the sugar.

Really? So if you eat 400-500 calories of cake and ice cream or cookies it's also not because of the sugar?

The excess calories come from the sugar in these drinks unless it's a cream based sugary drink then it comes from both.

BucEyedPea 01-03-2015 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 11239026)
It's been mentioned before but rat studies are pretty much worthless. The rat judges it's eating based on it's brain's/body's reward response as it cannot rationalize.

Not all humans can rationalize or well enough. If we did, we wouldn't have an epidemic of obesity in this country not to mention adult diabetes.

WhiteWhale 01-03-2015 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses (Post 11237972)
You know what's bad for you?

Eating more calories than you burn.

The rest is bullshit.

It wasn't that long ago you were on an anti-sugar rampage and disparaging people for saying this exact thing.

WhiteWhale 01-03-2015 11:26 AM

I'm confused BEP... are you promoting individual responsibility on this matter? Because it doesn't sound like it.

SAUTO 01-03-2015 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EPodolak (Post 11238954)
According to that movie, a rat addicted to cocaine and to sugar will choose to get his sugar fix first.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/ass...-story-top.jpg

Rats are dumb.

BucEyedPea 01-03-2015 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 11239198)
I'm confused BEP... are you promoting individual responsibility on this matter? Because it doesn't sound like it.

You extrapolated that on your own, based on an assumption. I called for moderating it's use. That was responsibility right there.

Anyone can criticize Big Agra/Food and not buy their products. It's called having an opinion on the thread title: Sugar is bad for you. Topic was not about personal responsibility but the characteristics of sugar if'n' you noticed. Responsibility is another angle. I addressed sugar. It was educational which affects the market. Food companies have responded to a degree from that. After that others can choose to act based on that or not.

So quit being a jerk and read with comprehension. That would handle your confusion. Also, I am not a libertarian. I just know big agra is in bed with govt protecting them. Corny syrup is even worse and that's due to govt policies that it's in so many many things. No it's not the same as in it's just another calorie it metabolizes differently.

I buy natural and organic food and little sugar except for special occasions. I am sensitive to cane sugar but not beet sugar. I have often posted I use Stevia. You know what ASSumptions make you?

So where's the lack of responsibility? Nowhere.

As for someone calling out posters for criticizing the big food companies denying them their right to an opinion, that also doesn't mean those doing the criticizing buy those products either. Afterall, organic food purchases grew 14% from 2013-14 and more natural food markets are opening.


http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Mar...4-from-2013-18

In fact The Guardian reports :

Quote:

Four out of five households now buying organic produce, with younger shoppers willing to spend the most, industry report finds.

BucEyedPea 01-03-2015 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief (Post 11239033)
Don't blame the food companies? This guy works for ****ing Nabisco

Or Big Pharma/Med.

-King- 01-03-2015 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya (Post 11238665)
Watch the documentary, Fed Up. It will infuriate you, how systematically the food industry adds salt and sugar to food to make you crave more of it.

Since I watched that on Oct 30th, I've cut all excess sugar, no sugary drinks, no processed sugar or white carbs... and I'm down 21.8 pounds.

I worked out ZERO times to see the effects without working out. Great jump start to the New Year.

-tw

It's not BECAUSE of sugar. You're just taking in less calories than you're buring. You can be on an all chocolate cake diet and achieve the same results.

Sully 01-03-2015 12:26 PM

You just have to eat more vegetables. Like chocolate!

-BEP

-King- 01-03-2015 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale (Post 11239190)
It wasn't that long ago you were on an anti-sugar rampage and disparaging people for saying this exact thing.

That was Buck not Gochiefs

BucEyedPea 01-03-2015 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11239315)
That was Buck not Gochiefs

Link?

And did you read it right or are you confusing context? I notice lefties tend to twist words around to mean something other than posted.
In fact I posted the EXACT same thing you did about chocolate cake in your Post #51. Please read, instead of twisting my words to suit your antagonism.

I think that was on aspartame being bad for you. Between aspartame and sugar, sugar is the lesser of two evils. Moderation is fine though.

Cmd'r&Chief 01-03-2015 12:45 PM

Case in point, more calories consumed than burned causes obesity and weight gain. But food companies know that putting excessive sugar and sodium in their foods make them addictive and this makes it difficult for people to fight the craving. It's not much different than using other drugs. Happy chemicals like dopamine are released, thus making the feeling that comes from consuming high amounts of sugar and sodium addicting, not to mention it makes the food delicious. It's not a conspiracy. It's just part of the business and money game.

But yeah, no shit the more vague comment is that excessive calories is what causes weight gain. But there are more details as to why people continue to eat these excessive calories in unsafe moderations.

There's no caloric debate, as to whether or not excessive sugar causes diabetes or excessive sodium causes high blood pressure. These things are medical facts.

So while you ****s argue whether calories or sugar is causing weight gain, you're all technically right. There are calories in sugar, and sugar can be addictive to certain people. So stfu.

ThaVirus 01-03-2015 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11239311)
It's not BECAUSE of sugar. You're just taking in less calories than you're buring. You can be on an all chocolate cake diet and achieve the same results.


You could eat Oreos all day long and lose weight if you wanted to. That would be a horrible, horrible idea though.

I think the important thing to note is that foods with excess amounts of added sugar (cookies, sodas, cakes, candy, etc) are the ones that do the most in significantly add to your daily caloric intake.

The guy you quoted said he lost 21 pounds so I'm assuming he was, and maybe still is, a fat shit. To a guy like that, it might be best to drop down to about 1800-2000 calories per day (depends though). If he drinks one glass of soda, he's already used up like 1/4 of his daily limit. Not to mention, those types of sugary foods/drinks are rarely ever satisfactory and tend to leave you wanting more.

Donger 01-03-2015 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully (Post 11239312)
You just have to eat more vegetables. Like chocolate!

-BEP

LMAO

ThaVirus 01-03-2015 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11239321)
Moderation is fine though.


As with most everything.

ThaVirus 01-03-2015 01:07 PM

I had read the other day that one cup of Coca Cola has enough sugar to make you throw up. The only reason you don't is that they put some type of chemical that prevents you from doing so.

Thankfully, I've never been particularly fond of soda.

beach tribe 01-03-2015 01:10 PM

I'm sorry, but if this planet is going to continue to sustain us in the future, people are going to have to ****ing die.
I know how that sounds.
But I just don't understand the world's infatuation with wanting to live until someone else has to wipe your ass.
Heart attack sounds good to me.
Just about everything that tastes good is bad for you, and everything that is fun is dangerous.
I'm gonna eat it, drink it, climb it, jump it, **** it, and enjoy it with my foot on the gas.
I'm gonna live for 60 years, give or take, when most people live for 30, exist for 20, ponder for 15 and die for 10..
And in 50 years the government is going to either have to start more wars, or find more creative ways to kill all you leaf eaters.

beach tribe 01-03-2015 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11239394)
I had read the other day that one cup of Coca Cola has enough sugar to make you throw up. The only reason you don't is that they put some type of chemical that prevents you from doing so.

Thankfully, I've never been particularly fond of soda.

Phosphoric acid.

Mmmmmmm, I gotta go get some coke now.

Cmd'r&Chief 01-03-2015 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 11239405)
I'm sorry, but if this planet is going to continue to sustain us in the future, people are going to have to ****ing die.
I know how that sounds.
But I just don't understand the world's infatuation with wanting to live until someone else has to wipe your ass.
Heart attack sounds good to me.
Just about everything that tastes good is bad for you, and everything that is fun is dangerous.
I'm gonna eat it, drink it, climb it, jump it, **** it, and enjoy it with my foot on the gas.
I'm gonna live for 60 years, give or take, when most people live for 30, exist for 20, ponder for 15 and die for 10..
And in 50 years the government is going to either have to start more wars, or find more creative ways to kill all you leaf eaters.

The infatuation with eternal life has existed for centuries. But yes, AIDS are delicious.

-King- 01-03-2015 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11239321)
Link?

And did you read it right or are you confusing context? I notice lefties tend to twist words around to mean something other than posted.
In fact I posted the EXACT same thing you did about chocolate cake in your Post #51. Please read, instead of twisting my words to suit your antagonism.

I think that was on aspartame being bad for you. Between aspartame and sugar, sugar is the lesser of two evils. Moderation is fine though.

What in the **** are you talking about?
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BucEyedPea 01-03-2015 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 11239426)
What in the **** are you talking about?
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Figures. You really are clueless and pretty angry too.

-King- 01-03-2015 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11239429)
Figures. You really are clueless and pretty angry too.

I didn't even quote you or address you in my original post. How did i twist your words if in wasnt replying to you. I didnt even know you had posted in this thread. So why are you even replying to me?

And you found a way to do the "lefty" political idiocy. The fact that you're bringing politics up in a thread about sugar should tell you that something is mentally off with you.
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beach tribe 01-03-2015 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief (Post 11239424)
The infatuation with eternal life has existed for centuries. But yes, AIDS are delicious.

I think people are just scared to die.
Guess what......You Gonna DIE!!

We all gonna die.
So let's die on our feet
Hand round somethin' cold
mouthful of red meat

lewdog 01-03-2015 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 11239075)
Really? So if you eat 400-500 calories of cake and ice cream or cookies it's also not because of the sugar?

The excess calories come from the sugar in these drinks unless it's a cream based sugary drink then it comes from both.

You missed the point of my comment. TW said he lost weight because he cut out sugar. What he simply did was also cut out calories by cutting out sugar. He'd have lost the same weight if he cut out the same amount of calories but from fat as well. And yes, he will be healthier to decrease the amount of sugar he is taking in because he is decreasing his total caloric intake and losing weight. I'm just stating that it doesn't just have to be from sugar. I think you agree with that as well?

We aren't really disagreeing that much Buc. I still think personal accountability is a huge issue. EVERYONE knows eating shit all day is bad for you. Let's stop blaming the food companies though as I do like Oreos every week and I've managed to have them and not be fat. It's not the food companies fault the guy buying the same Oreos I am is having a pack a week and getting fat.

Hammock Parties 01-03-2015 01:39 PM

The only thing "wrong" with sugar is that it is one of the most calorie-dense substances on the planet, and it doesn't satisfy you, it just makes you even more hungry.

That is why it is bad.

Now if you'll excuse me I feel like going to get a slice of cake from the grocery store. I will eat it and lose weight today.

beach tribe 01-03-2015 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief (Post 11239424)
The infatuation with eternal life has existed for centuries. But yes, AIDS are delicious.

Probably should have left out the ****in' part
I grew up in rural TN.
If I did as much banging down here as I did there I probably would have teh AIDS.

beach tribe 01-03-2015 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses (Post 11239460)
The only thing "wrong" with sugar is that it is one of the most calorie-dense substances on the planet, and it doesn't satisfy you, it just makes you even more hungry.

That is why it is bad.

Now if you'll excuse me I feel like going to get a slice of cake from the grocery store. I will eat it and lose weight today.

You can do that when you're not a fat lazy POS, ammirite?

Get up and move around tubbies.

lewdog 01-03-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 11239466)
You can do that when you're not a fat lazy POS, ammirite?

Get up and move around tubbies.

Well that's a good point too. The reward center in the brain that is active when we eat is close to the same response we get when we exercise. Feel good working out, make changes in your body and you'll use that rationale brain to decide to eat less shit because you like looking better. Not to mention if you workout with intensity, you can eat more calories per day to maintain your weight than someone who is sedentary.

I was eating 3500+ calories a day just to maintain my weight back when I was Olympic lifting because the lifting was so intense that I was just burning through calories in a day.

ThaVirus 01-03-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 11239452)
I think people are just scared to die.

Guess what......You Gonna DIE!!



We all gonna die.

So let's die on our feet

Hand round somethin' cold

mouthful of red meat


I'm scared to shit of death, I'll be totally honest.

BWillie 01-03-2015 01:50 PM

Everything you eat can kill you in some form or another

ThaVirus 01-03-2015 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11239481)
Everything you eat can kill you in some form or another


Go ahead and down some battery acid then, if it's all the same to you.

SAUTO 01-03-2015 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11239474)
I'm scared to shit of death, I'll be totally honest.

Why?

SAUTO 01-03-2015 01:55 PM

They say if it's fast it doesn't hurt a bit.

ThaVirus 01-03-2015 01:57 PM

This just in: Sugar is bad for you
 
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 11239485)
Why?


Well I'm only 25 so maybe I feel I haven't truly lived enough yet..? I'm not sure.

Maybe it's the uncertainty of knowing what happens next. What if this is it? You're just alive for an indeterminate amount of time and then.. you're just.. nothing?

It's just a scary thought to me.

SAUTO 01-03-2015 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11239494)
Well I'm only 25 so maybe I feel I haven't truly lived enough yet..? I'm not sure.

Maybe it's the uncertainty of knowing what happens next. What if this is it? You're just alive for an indeterminate amount of time and then.. you're just.. nothing?

It's just a scary thought to me.

Understandable. I'm a lot more careful about things now that I have kids.


And this might just be it, if so it won't matter you won't care at that point:p


And no matter what they say EVERYONE has some level of fear of death. And it comes out in different ways for different reasons.

lewdog 01-03-2015 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 11239494)
Well I'm only 25 so maybe I feel I haven't truly lived enough yet..? I'm not sure.

Maybe it's the uncertainty of knowing what happens next. What if this is it? You're just alive for an indeterminate amount of time and then.. you're just.. nothing?

It's just a scary thought to me.

That's pretty much how I feel. It's not death itself, it's the not being here to do the things I still want to accomplish. I'm late 20's and have a great life but there's so much more I want to do and achieve.

I had a friend go to the hospital for a migraine at age 25 and die 3 months later from a brain tumor. He had just been accepted into medical school. I also knew a person, late 20's, healthy as could be to any observer, suffer a massive stroke. He may not die, but he'll never be the same.

All that unknown is the scary part.

SAUTO 01-03-2015 02:07 PM

Sad thing is that when you die I don't think anything accomplished is going to mean anything to you anymore, lol.


It only matters to those still living.


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