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penbrook 01-02-2015 04:10 PM

Andy Reid and his thoughts
 
Reid was on 610 sports earlier on today and this is what he had to say.

"I enjoy doing it, so right now I'm not in the frame of mind to do that." - #Chiefs Andy Reid on whether he'd hand over play-calling.

"DJ might be stronger now than at any point in his career. He's living in the weight room." - #Chiefs Andy Reid on Derrick Johnson.

"He knew where everyone was on every snap." - #Chiefs Andy Reid on Alex Smith's progression this season on #TheDayShift.

"I think he'll probably be here.I think Dorse would tell you the same thing." - #Chiefs Andy Reid on Justin Houston's future on #TheDayShift

"I think he did a pretty good job." - #Chiefs Andy Reid on Justin Houston on #TheDayShift.

KCrockaholic 01-02-2015 04:14 PM

First interview all season that I found to actually be interesting.

tecumseh 01-02-2015 04:25 PM

Must have been a good day mentally for Andy.

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 04:26 PM

This has potential to be a really fun thread.

Donger 01-02-2015 04:31 PM

Those thoughts are about as deep as an Alex Smith pass.

TimBone 01-02-2015 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger (Post 11238074)
Those thoughts are about as deep as an Alex Smith pass.

I agree. Are those the highlights of the interview? He didn't say much.

Hootie 01-02-2015 04:42 PM

It's hilarious because the Chiefs are going to win 10 - 12 games next year and everyone is parading around here like we're doomed.

We played 11/16 games this year against teams with winning records; we won 9 games and that includes two TERRIBLE losses to a 2 win team (who we drew week 1 which turned out to be very unlucky) and the fuggin' 3 win Raiders.

If we won 12 games next year, who'd be surprised?

I certainly won't be.

We need to focus on figuring out how to split with Denver, though.

Hootie 01-02-2015 04:43 PM

The two Super Bowl favorites this year (NE and Seattle), we beat.

So on OUR BEST DAY we can beat anyone. We have a ton of draft picks and have a GM who admitted we needed help at WR and OL.

I love the debbie downer attitude around here. ****, even DaneMcCloud gave up.

I realize no one wants to go out and win 12 games with Alex Smith because he's such a bad guy and child abuser ... but I'm just warning everyone.

Rain Man 01-02-2015 04:44 PM

I agree with Andy's take that Justin Houston did a good job this year. I'm willing to stand by that opinion if others disagree.

Donger 01-02-2015 04:46 PM

What did you predict for this season, Hootie?

Iconic 01-02-2015 04:47 PM

Quote:

"I think he did a pretty good job." - #Chiefs Andy Reid on Justin Houston on #TheDayShift.
A pretty good job? pretty good? GTFO

Titty Meat 01-02-2015 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238091)
The two Super Bowl favorites this year (NE and Seattle), we beat.

So on OUR BEST DAY we can beat anyone. We have a ton of draft picks and have a GM who admitted we needed help at WR and OL.

I love the debbie downer attitude around here. ****, even DaneMcCloud gave up.

I realize no one wants to go out and win 12 games with Alex Smith because he's such a bad guy and child abuser ... but I'm just warning everyone.

This board has became terrible about talking football the past few years. It's a bunch of clueless guys who base everything on the QB and are incapable about discussing other positions but hey LETS TALK ROYALS!

Deberg_1990 01-02-2015 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 11238056)


"I enjoy doing it, so right now, but is prefer to hand it over to Doug next year. I want to concentrate on clock management" - #Chiefs Andy Reid on whether he'd hand over play-calling.

"DJ most likely will never be the same. I'll be looking to draft his replacement in May" - #Chiefs Andy Reid on Derrick Johnson.

"Although he's smart, I need a guy wh can challenge a D downfield more often. I look for Murray to take over next year. " - #Chiefs Andy Reid on Alex Smith's progression this season on #TheDayShift.


Here's wha he really meant to say. Hope you guys are happy........

NJChiefsFan 01-02-2015 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238089)
It's hilarious because the Chiefs are going to win 10 - 12 games next year and everyone is parading around here like we're doomed.

We played 11/16 games this year against teams with winning records; we won 9 games and that includes two TERRIBLE losses to a 2 win team (who we drew week 1 which turned out to be very unlucky) and the fuggin' 3 win Raiders.

If we won 12 games next year, who'd be surprised?

I certainly won't be.

We need to focus on figuring out how to split with Denver, though.

I know it's CP but I think some people are a little hard on Dorsey. I have major issues with part of what Reid does during game day, but he also has a lot of strengths. We are in a rebuild and still putting out a decent product.

The QB is always the major issue, and should be, but unless you look at a Bridgewater the Chiefs really never passed up a QB since the two have been here. In fact, they added two young guys. Bray and Murray may not be electric stocks, but what electric stock have they passed up. It's the contract to Smith that is the real issue if there is one. Even with the contract, I think the FO sees Smith as a placeholder. Perhaps I am just being hopeful about that, but it's what I think.

KC exceeded my expectations this year in how they played, and that's after a number of losses to personnel I wasn't even thinking about. It's easy to judge them from how they fell after their high-water mark against Seattle, but some perspective is needed.

There is work to do, and with all that needed to be fixed, I don't think it's crazy that the F.O. needs another offseason to fix a few positions like OL and WR. The horrible truth is, that as much as KC is to blame for the QB position, it's also been a matter of terrible timing. None worse than missing on Luck and getting the junk options in the top of the 2013 draft. Even looking back now it's hard to know who to take out of that top 10. I believe they have men that are willing to get a QB, even with Smith. We just need one to be there for them. I wouldn't be shocked to see them draft a Hundley or someone like him in the draft.

KCrockaholic 01-02-2015 04:57 PM

With a decent offseason filling the void a bit at WR and OL (Which we will), this team will be very good in 2015.

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2015 05:08 PM

Quote:

He knew where everyone was on every snap." - #Chiefs Andy Reid on Alex Smith's progression this season
**** you, Andy. You're full of shit.

If you're being honest, then you have a serious chicken shit QB issue.

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2015 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238091)
The two Super Bowl favorites this year (NE and Seattle), we beat.

So on OUR BEST DAY we can beat anyone. We have a ton of draft picks and have a GM who admitted we needed help at WR and OL.

I love the debbie downer attitude around here. ****, even DaneMcCloud gave up.

I realize no one wants to go out and win 12 games with Alex Smith because he's such a bad guy and child abuser ... but I'm just warning everyone.

Looks very fluky at this point.

BIG_DADDY 01-02-2015 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11238133)
**** you, Andy. You're full of shit.

If you're being honest, then you have a serious chicken shit QB issue.

Alex is great if he doesn't have to throw the ball.

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2015 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocolate Hog (Post 11238099)
This board has became terrible about talking football the past few years. It's a bunch of clueless guys who base everything on the QB and are incapable about discussing other positions but hey LETS TALK ROYALS!

Let's do that. They win post-season games.

bevischief 01-02-2015 05:14 PM

Water is wet.

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11238133)
**** you, Andy. You're full of shit.

If you're being honest, then you have a serious chicken shit QB issue.

Serious coaching neglect towards the results of the QB position.

Pitiful HC, let's blame the QB.

tecumseh 01-02-2015 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 11238147)
Water is wet.

And you need it to make Kool Aid.

milkman 01-02-2015 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11238156)
Serious coaching neglect towards the results of the QB position.

Pitiful HC, let's blame the QB.

An aging, declining Joe Montana overcame Martyocrity to lead the Chiefs to their only 2 playoff wins since 1970.

We have a mediocre HC and a mediocre QB.

The sum of those 2 parts is crap.

They both share some blame.

milkman 01-02-2015 05:40 PM

It's really exciting that our mediocre QB knows where everyone is at the snap.

kcxiv 01-02-2015 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 11238108)
I know it's CP but I think some people are a little hard on Dorsey. I have major issues with part of what Reid does during game day, but he also has a lot of strengths. We are in a rebuild and still putting out a decent product.

The QB is always the major issue, and should be, but unless you look at a Bridgewater the Chiefs really never passed up a QB since the two have been here. In fact, they added two young guys. Bray and Murray may not be electric stocks, but what electric stock have they passed up. It's the contract to Smith that is the real issue if there is one. Even with the contract, I think the FO sees Smith as a placeholder. Perhaps I am just being hopeful about that, but it's what I think.

KC exceeded my expectations this year in how they played, and that's after a number of losses to personnel I wasn't even thinking about. It's easy to judge them from how they fell after their high-water mark against Seattle, but some perspective is needed.

There is work to do, and with all that needed to be fixed, I don't think it's crazy that the F.O. needs another offseason to fix a few positions like OL and WR. The horrible truth is, that as much as KC is to blame for the QB position, it's also been a matter of terrible timing. None worse than missing on Luck and getting the junk options in the top of the 2013 draft. Even looking back now it's hard to know who to take out of that top 10. I believe they have men that are willing to get a QB, even with Smith. We just need one to be there for them. I wouldn't be shocked to see them draft a Hundley or someone like him in the draft.

until there is some play off wins, they are going to be hard on everyone and anyone running this team. When your football team is amongst the worst in post season wins since 1970, people are going to have short leashes (fans). They want resuits not, well we are in year 2 of rebuilding This team has rebuilt and rebuilt and rebuilt and have NOTHING to show for it. We have wasted some really damned good players careers.

Fans are tired of well we almost got to the play offs. Team is tired of mediocrity to shitty.

ITs been a while since the Chiefs have just been dominate year in and year out. hell even our 2003 season the President of the US of A made fun of the Chiefs. haha

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-02-2015 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11238195)
It's really exciting that our mediocre QB knows where everyone is at the snap.

I think that was a lie because he should know there will be somebody open downfield.

Rain Man 01-02-2015 06:21 PM

I tend to agree with the people posting earlier who are bullish on the Chiefs. I think they finished above .500 this year with some injuries and some weird randomization of turnovers. I think next year has the potential to be very strong in the regular season, perhaps even to the point where they blow home field advantage by losing in the first round of the playoffs as opposed to losing a road playoff game. I'm truly that optimistic.

FloridaMan88 01-02-2015 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 11238056)
"I enjoy doing it, so right now I'm not in the frame of mind to do that." - #Chiefs Andy Reid on whether he'd hand over play-calling.

WTF?

This is a results-driven business in every other place except for KC apparently and the results from Andy Reid's play-calling on offense have not been good.

It shouldn't matter if he enjoys it or not… this is a job… not a hobby and Clark should force Andy Reid to either delegate play-calling to Doug Pederson or hire a real offensive coordinator who can call plays.

Discuss Thrower 01-02-2015 06:35 PM

Retread head coach, retread quarterback.

The Chiefs will hover around .500 for the duration of both Reid's and Smith's contracts.

Only way they win the division is if Peyton retires and Osweiler or Dysert suck ass, Rivers moves on to another team and if Derek Carr busts.

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2015 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11238281)

Only way they win the division is if Peyton retires and Osweiler or Dysert suck ass, Rivers moves on to another team and if Derek Carr busts.

And a Partridge in a Pear tree.

Deberg_1990 01-02-2015 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11238281)
Retread head coach, retread quarterback.

The Chiefs will hover around .500 for the duration of both Reid's and Smith's contracts.

Only way they win the division is if Peyton retires and Osweiler or Dysert suck ass, Rivers moves on to another team and if Derek Carr busts.

Rivers? That career loser? We surely can't win the division with Him around.

Coochie liquor 01-02-2015 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 11238259)
WTF?

This is a results-driven business in every other place except for KC apparently and the results from Andy Reid's play-calling on offense have not been good.

It shouldn't matter if he enjoys it or not… this is a job… not a hobby and Clark should force Andy Reid to either delegate play-calling to Doug Pederson or hire a real offensive coordinator who can call plays.

Andy has plenty of flaws, but he is also a good coach. Let's go back to the 2007 season which was the year following out last 2 consecutive winning seasons.
2007 4-12 3rd div
2008 2-14 4th div
2009 4-12 4th div
2010 10-6 1st div
2011 7-9 4th div
2012 2-14 4th div
Reid/Dorsey
2013 11-5 2nd div
2014 9-7 2nd div
Have we won a playoff game with him yet? Nope but we've only been once. Ou team as a franchise has 8 total playoff wins EVER. Reid has 10. Give him a little time!

Mr. Flopnuts 01-02-2015 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238089)
It's hilarious because the Chiefs are going to win 10 - 12 games next year and everyone is parading around here like we're doomed.

We played 11/16 games this year against teams with winning records; we won 9 games and that includes two TERRIBLE losses to a 2 win team (who we drew week 1 which turned out to be very unlucky) and the fuggin' 3 win Raiders.

If we won 12 games next year, who'd be surprised?

I certainly won't be.

We need to focus on figuring out how to split with Denver, though.

This.

Mr. Laz 01-02-2015 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 11238108)
I know it's CP but I think some people are a little hard on Dorsey. I have major issues with part of what Reid does during game day, but he also has a lot of strengths. We are in a rebuild and still putting out a decent product.

So 8-8 during a 5-year rebuild plan?




exactly what i said months ago

tmax63 01-02-2015 06:56 PM

His play-calling has been good enough to average 10 wins per season the last 2 years. I'd say that was a refreshing move in the right direction. I'll call for someone's head when they start backsliding or the team stops listening. Until then I'll watch the improvement and see where it goes from here.

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11238188)
An aging, declining Joe Montana overcame Martyocrity to lead the Chiefs to their only 2 playoff wins since 1970.

We have a mediocre HC and a mediocre QB.

The sum of those 2 parts is crap.

They both share some blame.

True. Joes morning shit had more football knowledge than Marty could ever dream of.

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 11238259)
WTF?

This is a results-driven business in every other place except for KC apparently and the results from Andy Reid's play-calling on offense have not been good.

It shouldn't matter if he enjoys it or not… this is a job… not a hobby and Clark should force Andy Reid to either delegate play-calling to Doug Pederson or hire a real offensive coordinator who can call plays.

This. Time and time again Reid is showing he is a poor game day coach. He isn't prepared nor makes any in game adjustments.

Horizontal passing in a vertical league.

Reid is nothing more than a 50% winning coach whom will keep mediocrity relevant.

007 01-02-2015 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11238331)
This. Time and time again Reid is showing he is a poor game day coach. He isn't prepared nor makes any in game adjustments.

Horizontal passing in a vertical league.

Reid is nothing more than a 50% winning coach whom will keep mediocrity relevant.

and the homers happy

FML 01-02-2015 07:34 PM

i'd like andy to shit on my chest.

Hoover 01-02-2015 07:44 PM

I'm happy with the direction of this team, things couldn't be more different from this season to Herm's 2nd season. We are building something, finally, and while I would like it to be faster, I think this offseason is exactly what this team needs. We need to resign two key pieces in Houston and Hudson. We need a couple key free agents, probably a guard and an ILB, nothing flashy. If you want to turn heads go get a guy like Macklin, but I prefer using our first round pick for a play making WR.

This off season provides us a lot of different choices. It's going to suck to see some good player let go, but key in the NFL is never to let your roster get old. We are a young team and the draft allow should provide us opportunity to infuse some youth and talent into a few key positions.

BossChief 01-02-2015 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11238331)
This. Time and time again Reid is showing he is a poor game day coach. He isn't prepared nor makes any in game adjustments.

Horizontal passing in a vertical league.

Reid is nothing more than a 50% winning coach whom will keep mediocrity relevant.

His team made it to the NFC championship game 5 times and might have won a Super Bowl if it weren't for spygate.

He is 19-11 here in his 2 seasons.

Hootie 01-02-2015 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 11238253)
I tend to agree with the people posting earlier who are bullish on the Chiefs. I think they finished above .500 this year with some injuries and some weird randomization of turnovers. I think next year has the potential to be very strong in the regular season, perhaps even to the point where they blow home field advantage by losing in the first round of the playoffs as opposed to losing a road playoff game. I'm truly that optimistic.

We're actually set up to be very good in 2015. I have faith that Dorsey realizes we need 3 new starting OL and a WR who can stretch the field.

We have a ton of draft picks.

we will have an easier schedule next year

I could see us winning anywhere between 9 (unlucky) and 13 (lucky) depending on if we can avoid the bullshit next year and get a few nice bounces

but let's spend the whole offseason griping about Alex Smith because that's fun

Hootie 01-02-2015 08:04 PM

Reid is obviously a more than competent Monday - Saturday coach. He always has this team ready to compete and most of the time we have very good gameplans installed to win games.

He leaves something to be desired on some game days with his questionable clock management and blame Alex Smith if you want, but some of those playcalls during 2 minute drills this year (IE the screen pass) were insane.

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238414)
Reid is obviously a more than competent Monday - Saturday coach. He always has this team ready to compete and most of the time we have very good gameplans installed to win games.

He leaves something to be desired on some game days with his questionable clock management and blame Alex Smith if you want, but some of those playcalls during 2 minute drills this year (IE the screen pass) were insane.

Exactly. Like having the team ready to Rock on opening day. Reusing the same game plan at Oakland and that masterful game plan on 10 days prep time for Denver. Or throwing 45+ times horizontally in Pittsburgh.


Always prepared and always have very good game plans.

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11238395)
His team made it to the NFC championship game 5 times and might have won a Super Bowl if it weren't for spygate.

He is 19-11 here in his 2 seasons.

With Jim Johnson. Let's not forget that one piece of very critical information.

Hootie 01-02-2015 08:09 PM

someone cherry picked the bad games this year, eh!

you can go through and do that for about 32 NFL teams, congrats

Hootie 01-02-2015 08:10 PM

only on CP is the DC more important than the HC

you know

when it's convenient to their argument

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238429)
only on CP is the DC more important than the HC

you know

when it's convenient to their argument

Prove to me his playoff record and regular season records with out him.

Support your rebuttal.

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238426)
someone cherry picked the bad games this year, eh!

you can go through and do that for about 32 NFL teams, congrats

Or his classic playoff game in Indy. Throwing the ball to protect a 28 point lead with 20 min left.

Hootie 01-02-2015 08:15 PM

no, I know

Bill Parcells sucked. I learned that on CP. He was only good because of Belichick. Learned right on CP.

Reerun, you have proven for years and years and years that you don't know what the **** you're talking about. So, I bow out. Have fun this offseason! I'm happy that you have something to keep you occupied until next September.

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238442)
no, I know

Bill Parcells sucked. I learned that on CP. He was only good because of Belichick. Learned right on CP.

Reerun, you have proven for years and years and years that you don't know what the **** you're talking about. So, I bow out. Have fun this offseason! I'm happy that you have something to keep you occupied until next September.

Bawhahahaha. So much irony in this post. You better bow the **** out before you get clowned again in another thread.

otherstar 01-02-2015 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 11238297)
2007 4-12 3rd div
2008 2-14 4th div
2009 4-12 4th div
2010 10-6 1st div
2011 7-9 4th div
2012 2-14 4th div
Reid/Dorsey
2013 11-5 2nd div
2014 9-7 2nd div

Reid/Dorsey put together more wins in two seasons than the Chiefs did from 2007-2010 and the first win of 2011. This is a problem because?

It looks to me like a re-build that could actually go somewhere once all of the pieces are in place. I know the Chiefs were better than I thought they would be after all of the injuries so early in the season.

Iconic 01-02-2015 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238414)
Reid is obviously a more than competent Monday - Saturday coach. He always has this team ready to compete and most of the time we have very good gameplans installed to win games.

He leaves something to be desired on some game days with his questionable clock management and blame Alex Smith if you want, but some of those playcalls during 2 minute drills this year (IE the screen pass) were insane.

Yeah there needs to be a thread dedicated entirely on how inept our 2 minute offense was. It was the most amateurish thing I've ever seen and akin to the Haley/Cassel era.

Discuss Thrower 01-02-2015 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 11238457)
Reid/Dorsey put together more wins in two seasons than the Chiefs did from 2007-2010 and the first win of 2011. This is a problem because?

It looks to me like a re-build that could actually go somewhere once all of the pieces are in place. I know the Chiefs were better than I thought they would be after all of the injuries so early in the season.

A rebuild without a legitimate QBotF is an epic waste of time.

BIG_DADDY 01-02-2015 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 11238386)
I'm happy with the direction of this team,.

Really? Wow.

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 11238457)
Reid/Dorsey put together more wins in two seasons than the Chiefs did from 2007-2010 and the first win of 2011. This is a problem because?

It looks to me like a re-build that could actually go somewhere once all of the pieces are in place. I know the Chiefs were better than I thought they would be after all of the injuries so early in the season.

That's great but we will still be missing 2 critical pieces. A QB and a competent OC to call the plays.

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11238589)
A rebuild without a legitimate QBotF is an epic waste of time.

This all day long.

DaneMcCloud 01-02-2015 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11238589)
A rebuild without a legitimate QBotF is an epic waste of time.

Sure because those guys are everywhere, every year, and the Chiefs keep rolling the wrong dice.

penbrook 01-02-2015 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238414)
Reid is obviously a more than competent Monday - Saturday coach. He always has this team ready to compete and most of the time we have very good gameplans installed to win games.

He leaves something to be desired on some game days with his questionable clock management and blame Alex Smith if you want, but some of those playcalls during 2 minute drills this year (IE the screen pass) were insane.

We have the fifth hardest schedule next season

Reerun_KC 01-02-2015 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11238635)
Sure because those guys are everywhere, every year, and the Chiefs keep rolling the wrong dice.

So retreads are the way to go? The ARE everywhere and we still can't win a playoff game.

Hootie 01-02-2015 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbook (Post 11238638)
We have the fifth hardest schedule next season

that's only because we have 4 games against San Diego and Denver and play an entire division of 8-8 and above in the AFC North

I don't fear Pitt / Cin / Balt / Cle

Discuss Thrower 01-02-2015 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11238635)
Sure because those guys are everywhere, every year, and the Chiefs keep rolling the wrong dice.

They haven't rolled the dice in 32 years.

splatbass 01-03-2015 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11238281)
Retread head coach, retread quarterback.

The Chiefs will hover around .500 for the duration of both Reid's and Smith's contracts.

They've been above .500 both years with them, and they did it this year with the toughest schedule in the NFL, a rash of injuries and crap at OL and WR. There is no reason to believe they will hover around .500.

Direckshun 01-03-2015 01:13 AM

Good to hear DJ's getting there.

DaneMcCloud 01-03-2015 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11238865)
Good to hear DJ's getting there.

Hopefully, DJ got his new Achilles from a dead guy that didn't use his much.

Direckshun 01-03-2015 01:24 AM

I've never done shit to my achilles, so I know nothing about its recovery and rehab.

I understand the most reasonable assumption is that he will lose a step, but is there any way he can rehab 100%, I wonder.

Discuss Thrower 01-03-2015 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 11238814)
They've been above .500 both years with them, and they did it this year with the toughest schedule in the NFL, a rash of injuries and crap at OL and WR. There is no reason to believe they will hover around .500.

Andy Reid hasn't won more than 11 games in a decade, and Smith has one more than 11 games only once in his career.

Direckshun 01-03-2015 01:28 AM

Both have won playoff games, though.

DaneMcCloud 01-03-2015 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11238875)
I've never done shit to my achilles, so I know nothing about its recovery and rehab.

I understand the most reasonable assumption is that he will lose a step, but is there any way he can rehab 100%, I wonder.

He's 32: He'd lose a step each year, regardless of an Achilles replacement. It's not like an ACL.

His upper body and strength may be just fine but he won't know how the new Achilles will hold up until he's on the football field. He's not an immobile QB like Dan Marino - he's been a very active ILBer.

If he returns to even 90%, it'll be a "miracle" of modern science.

Hootie 01-03-2015 01:39 AM

Suggs and Kobe both recently tore their achilles ... Suggs is the same age as DJ and just had 12 sacks and no real drop-off in play. His 1st season back from the achilles he had 10 sacks.

Kobe is averaging like 25/5/5 like usual ... and he's even older.

So uh, no. It won't be a "wonder" of modern science. It'll be about typical for 2015 and a world class athlete with world class trainers and doctors and world class supplements. Read into that however you'd like.

Hootie 01-03-2015 01:40 AM

I can say, however, with total confidence that even a Derrick Johnson at 70% is 5 times the player Josh Muaga will ever be.

jonzie04 01-03-2015 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11238878)
Andy Reid hasn't won more than 11 games in a decade, and Smith has one more than 11 games only once in his career.

Seems kind of irrelevant IMO. We've gone 11-5, and 9-7 the past two years, and next years roster should be much better than either one.

Hootie 01-03-2015 01:44 AM

I said before this year that I expected the Chiefs to win 8 or 9 games and be better than they were in 2013. I think this held true. We had some very impressive wins this year.

Now, that being said, the way it played out where we beat Seattle to go to 7-3 and then ended up 9-7 and missing the playoffs was disappointing to say the least.

But I think Dorsey looked at the team before the season, looked at our roster and the available free agents and players we were going to lose ... and then decided 2015 was going to be the year we were ready to REALLY compete.

We lost Jackson, McCluster, Albert, Asamoah, Schwartz, etc... to free agency, cut Flowers.

I truly think this was our rebuild year. Let it ride with what we had and go for it in 2015.

I bet you we are very aggressive in free agency and we have a ton of picks to supplement our roster.

We're going to win somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-12 games next year with a ceiling of 13 if we get some bounces.

Not bad for a team with Alex Smith.

DaneMcCloud 01-03-2015 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238888)
Suggs and Kobe both recently tore their achilles ... Suggs is the same age as DJ and just had 12 sacks and no real drop-off in play. His 1st season back from the achilles he had 10 sacks.

Kobe is averaging like 25/5/5 like usual ... and he's even older.

So uh, no. It won't be a "wonder" of modern science. It'll be about typical for 2015 and a world class athlete with world class trainers and doctors and world class supplements. Read into that however you'd like.

Dude, 95% of all people that tear their Achilles never return to normal. 36% never return to the NFL.

Suggs is a freak of nature, not the norm. Basing DJ's recovery on Suggs' is premature.

Direckshun 01-03-2015 01:55 AM

The one concerning trend for me is how we wrap these seasons up.

We ended 2013 2-6, and ended 2014 2-4.

I don't know what's causing that or how it can be remedied.

Hootie 01-03-2015 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11238896)
Dude, 95% of all people that tear their Achilles never return to normal. 36% never return to the NFL.

Suggs is a freak of nature, not the norm. Basing DJ's recovery on Suggs' is premature.

and 20 years ago an ACL spelled death to careers

things change

DaneMcCloud 01-03-2015 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 11238898)
The one concerning trend for me is how we wrap these seasons up.

We ended 2013 2-6, and ended 2014 2-4.

I don't know what's causing that or how it can be remedied.

Firing Andy Reid is really the only way to know for sure.

Hootie 01-03-2015 02:01 AM

2013 was a bit fluky

clearly, we are never going to beat Peyton Manning (that was 0-2)

we lost 38-41 to San Diego when we had zero pass rush (Houston / Hali out) on a last second TD

we beat San Diego with all of our backups (doesn't count)

we got crushed @ home against Indy (turrible)

and then we all know what happened in the playoff game

Same thing with this year, really.

I'm not a blind homer.

I've noticed that Andy Reid pretty much always has his team ready to compete. There are some aberrations like Tennessee this year and Indy @ home in the regular season last year ...

but for the most part ... we always come out and we're always in a position to win in the 4th quarter.

That's a far cry from the Herm years and certainly the Haley/Crennel/Pioli years where it just became normal for us to lose by ****ing 30 every week

DaneMcCloud 01-03-2015 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11238899)
and 20 years ago an ACL spelled death to careers

things change

ACL repairs are far different than Achilles.

The main reason why ACL's ended careers was due to the invasive medical procedures. have you ever seen ACL scars from the 80's? Today's microscopic surgery negates such need.

Achilles repair in athletes is unsuccessful for the most part. A cadaver muscle is replaced and grafted, leaving the results uncertain.

Hootie 01-03-2015 02:05 AM

It's just funny to me, now ...

because this offseason is going to be terrible. It's going to be miserable to be a realistic Chiefs fan on this board.

And then, next year, when we are suddenly like 6-2 or 8-3 everyone will be right back on the "omg Alex isn't that bad! Reid/Dorsey are great!" bandwagon.

It's like clockwork.

This team has so many assets going forward. We have a TON of draft picks, Reid has a lot of credibility with players all over the NFL in terms of free agency, etc...

Everyone knows how amazing it would be to have Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or Peyton Manning at QB.

We don't have that luxury.

It's a shame this board can't get the **** over it and look forward to seeing what happens with our surplus of ammunition this offseason.

Instead, we're going to gripe about Alex all offseason! YES! THREE YEARS IN A ROW!

But please, if you guys know how to trade for Aaron Rodgers, please, by all means, let me know.


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