Who Do You Think KC Will Draft Round 1?
 

Simple question. This is truly a who will it be question. It can evolve over time.

My pick is Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami.

Mocks abound have him in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round. Nah, not with that speed. There's a legit possibility that kid runs in the 4.2s and is a certainty to run in the mid-4.3s.

He's a virtual clone of DeSean Jackson in almost every way. I think Reid tries to strike gold twice and asks Dorsey to reach to get it. Dorsett is a virtual joystick.

I know Jackson was taken in the middle of round 2, but Jackson has produced at the NFL level. I see teams looking hard at Dorsett early. Jackson has had 900+ yards in every season except for his injury shortened 2012 (700 yards) and has broken 1000 4 times.

At this point, I think Sammie Coates is in the catbirdseat. Only because I have yet to pick a tackle that the Chiefs adore at this point.

Until an OL emerges as a slam dunk pick, there's simply no player in this draft that fits the Chiefs M.O. that'll be available at #18 better than Sammie Coates.

3-cone 3-cone 3-cone.

That's what Dorsey cares about. I think we'll know a lot about the receivers we'll target when the combine hits.

Until then, it's anyone's guess.

Look at Dorsey's track record in bringing in new receivers.

Avery. Jenkins. Albert Wilson. Hammond.

The Chiefs have a prototype at WR, and Sammie Coates fits it to a T. Speed, speed, mother****ing speed.

I've said Sammie Coates as well. He fits Dorsey's style

But goddamn would it be awesome if we could trade down, pick up another pick and draft Dorsett

FTFY :p

You can trade picks on draft day? /Dorsey

marcus peters---Dorsey finds replacement for sean smith who he wont resign after next season

Jesus Stop Dancing Christ...

They aren't taking Dorsett with the #18 pick. They aren't taking Sammie Coats with the #18 pick.

If they don't fix that offensive line first and foremost, Hunt will string up Dorsey and Reid by their balls.

Dorsey may like speed, but he's also the guy who drafted Bulaga and Sherrod back to back in the first rounds of the 2010 and 2011 Drafts because Green Bay's shit offensive line was getting Rogers murdered.

Guess what? The Chiefs offensive line is getting Smith murdered.

That draft pick is going to be the highest offensive lineman that Dorsey has on the board when the eighteenth pick rolls around.

Is he now?

Didn't realize that a college scout was the one making the picks in GB.

They will probably draft someone slotted for the early 2nd round.

Yeah, he is.

Top OL or MLB available or maybe even the top safety to replace Eric Berry long term.

You know what I find hilarious about all those quotes you posted? They all talk about him as a scout and not a single player mentioned were the 2 you claimed he picked.

Nice quotes, bro.

News flash: All scouts "help" with picking players. How the **** do you think the GM makes his decisions? Based on the scouts he has hired.

I also failed to see anything specifically regarding Dorsey selecting the offensive line players Sac listed.

Dorsey doesn't give a rip about straightline speed.

He cares about quickness in and out of breaks. A trait best measured by

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DRILL

You think he'd work to re-sign Junior Hemingway, then, as Hemingway posted the fastest 3 cone in Combine history.

La'el Collins please.

He still might.

I do enjoy the notion that Dorsey doesn't care about straight line speed...

Tell me, how did Avery, Jenkins, Thomas and Wilson all time in the 40?

All 4.3's? Must be coincidence.

He ain't gonna be there.

He might be the first OL off the board.

I think there's about a 50/50 chance Collins is there.

A. J. Cann ,
If no OT targeted is left why not take the best OG ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlwRR2-tr_w

4 year starter plug and play

There is no need to take a ****ING GUARD in the first round. You OL homers need to knock it off with that BS.
MLB, CB, DL, WR are the positions that we will be looking at in the first. WR probably shouldn't even be listed.

Cedric Ogbuehi.

If we go WR I think the ideal move would be to trade back and pick up another 3rd round pick. Lot's of WRs available in the late 1st and throughout the 2nd round that would be great fits for us. DGB, Dorsett, Coates have all been mentioned in this thread. Absolutely one of these guys will be there late in the first.

We tried to go D with our first pick last year... at least this player will be playing day one, , OL line stinks

I hate it but I do not see how the chiefs can get away from taking OL first rd, there will be 10 picks this year we need at least 1 of them to start day one.

CB rd 2
WR and ILB with our two 3rd picks

Don't take a guard round 1, but take a mlb.

Wut?

Who's the highest rated guard?

01. Brandon Scherff ------------- Iowa ------------------ SR. --- 6-5 --- 315 -- rd 1

02. A.J Cann --------------------- South Carolina -------- SR. --- 6-3 --- 315 -- rd 2
03. Laken Tomlinson ------------ Duke ------------------ SR. --- 6-3 --- 323 -- rd 2
04. Tre Jackson ------------------ Florida State --------- SR. --- 6-4 --- 323 -- rd 2

05. Josue Matias ----------------- Florida State --------- SR. --- 6-5 --- 322 -- rd 3
06. John Miller ------------------- Louisville ------------- SR. --- 6-2 --- 321 -- rd 3

01. Andrus Peat ------------------- Stanford --------------- JR. --- 6-6 --- 310 -- rd 1
02. La'el Collins ------------------- L.S.U ------------------ SR. --- 6-5 --- 308 -- rd 1
03. Ereck Flowers ----------------- Miami ------------------ JR. --- 6-5 --- 322 -- rd 1
04. Cameron Erving -------------- Florida State ----------- SR. --- 6-5 --- 320 -- rd 1
05. Jake Fisher -------------------- Oregon --------------- SR. --- 6-5 --- 292 -- rd 1

06. Donovan Smith ---------------- Penn State ------------ JR. --- 6-6 --- 341 -- rd 2
07. Arie Kouandjio ----------------- Alabama -------------- SR. --- 6-5 --- 318 -- rd 2
08. T.J Clemmings ---------------- Pittsburgh ------------- SR. --- 6-5 --- 307 -- rd 2
09. Tyrus Thompson -------------- Oklahoma ------------- SR. --- 6-5 --- 355 -- rd 2

10. Corey Robinson --------------- South Carolina --------- SR. --- 6-7 --- 345 -- rd 3
11. Jeremiah Poutasi -------------- Utah ------------------- JR. --- 6-6 --- 330 -- rd 3
12. Ty Sambrailo ------------------ Colorado State -------- SR. --- 6-6 --- 309 -- rd 3
13. Daryl Williams ----------------- Oklahoma ------------- SR. --- 6-5 --- 334 -- rd 3


If they do nothing to boost the OL in FA, then I sure would like to see two of these prospects get selected by KC.

Absolutely. This Defense is in need of a new man in the middle of it. With the loss of DJ and Berry the middle of our Defense needs an upgrade.
With what we have seen out of this Regime, Fisher - Albert, Ford - Hali, it only makes sense that we will be looking to replace another high price player at the end. DJ may make it back this next season or he might not make it back at all. But you can bet that they are looking to replace his production and salary.

The new Terrance Copper. Now with more TD catches!

The only thing I'm counting on is being surprised.

"its gonna be a receiver!"

"its gonna be a fatty!"

It could just as easily end up being a defensive end or inside linebacker... thats why mocks are fun, but ultimately pointless, because they're rarely on the mark.

NO ITS GOING TO BE A QB AND THEY ARE GOING TO TRADE ALEX SMITH. /DENIAL

My bet is that we take AJ Cann in the first. I hate it. But AJ Cann will be a good guard for a long time and he is ready to play in the NFL. Unless we address left guard in free agency, I suspect this is where we go.

Who in this draft can be and athletic rush dl in subsets?

Not that we should take him early, just curious?

Preston Smith from Miss State and Marcus Hardison from Az St come to mind as day 2 targets.

I'd like KC to look closely at Tyler Davison from Fresno St... he can be the ideal prospect to spell Poe more often.. and has some excellent pass rush skill to be a versatile lineman.

Henry Andersen from Stanford can get after the QB also. Overall, not a deep 34DE draft class. Could be deeper, if scouts really think other guys like Odighizuwa, Za'Darius Smith, and Chickillo can grow into such a role.

Can I please live in Denial?

I don't think so. Most drafts have him going in the 2nd half of the 1st round..or later. I think there's a real chance he's there. Just a question of Clark seeing him as the best value. Safety, WR and OL are all legit positions of need, and Clark tends to draft BPA..or at least the BPA in his mind. I think we were all a little surprised when Dee Ford became a Chief instead of some OL or WR... both of which are still needs a season later.

But that's not how Dorsey rolls. Arguing for immediate starters with Dorsey in charge is like hoping the Chiefs trade Alex Smith in the next two years.

I'm 90% confident that we're not going to pick a WR or OL with our first rounder.

I could see Eric Kendricks. Fix the oline in FA. Kendricks in first and WR in second. Let Kendricks play next to DJ for a year or two and eventually replace him

I thought so initially as well, but I think he's got the capability of playing LT at a high level in the NFL as well as any of the other OL positions. I'm not sure that Scherff has the athleticism to play LT at the next level (his game is very reminiscent of recent first rounder Bryan Bulaga). Peat would be the only other guy who could go in front of Collins.

I'd love to see Collins there at #18. I think his overall versatility would be a big boon to the Chiefs and do a lot to shore up the biggest position of need on the line whether it be LG, RT or whatever. I also think that he'd be the BPA at that point regardless of position. (I think you can actually do better at WR in either R2 or R3 than what could potentially be there at #18 with either Parker or White as I think that a guy like Vince Mayle is every bit the player that those two are (and he's much better off the line and on breaks anyway).)

I still think that Dorsey ****ed up with the Ford pick. Guy might end up being a talent, but when you are that close to having one or two wins put you into the playoff hunt and you know that an upgrade at either/both the OL and/or WR position(s) would most likely result in those one or two wins versus a guy who's main contributions were a handful of tackles on special teams...eh...

Sometimes BPA combine with need isn't a bad thing versus just BPA on your board.

At this point, it's apparent that Dorsey sticks to his board like stink to a monkey.

The thing is, I'm not sure that this team can afford another first rounder like he's produced the last two drafts, which is, in a singular term, a project.

Both Fisher and Ford have very high upsides based on their positional athleticism, but both could be termed very raw as it relates to their functional skill set when they entered the league.

This team needs guys from this next draft at OL, WR, ILB, S and CB who will be able to produce right out of the gate versus nurse them along for the next three seasons before we see them hit their stride.

This team is close. They don't need project, they need producers.

What exactly is this team close to? Another year of mediocrity with one-and-done in the playoffs? Sweet.

Best GMs I've seen go with best player at a position of need in round 1. That doesn't mean to say you go out and reach handily on a guy like Tysyn Jackson. That means if you have two guys very closely rated at the top of your board, you take the one you need.

What I don't get, yet, is the Dee Ford pick because in my mind he wasn't the BPA at his own position.

Okay, I get Dorsey's thought as OLB being an need because you might have to cut Hali in 2015 and Houston is a free agent in 2015. Now Ford, from some accounts was the highest rated player on the board at that time at that position. I had Smith, Attaochu, Lawrence, and Ealy all rated higher, but I wasn't a consensus. Most guys had Ford above those and rated in the top 40. I thought, not bad if he's turned loose on the passer every down similar to Hali, but he'll never play the run like Hali... I didn't really like the pick, but thought I could warm up to it if I saw flashes of him being good his rookie year...

So then I look at BPA. Now I see guys like Darqueze Dennard, Deone Bucannon, Jimmie Ward, Jordan Matthews, Xavier Su'a-Filo, Joel Bitonio, Bradley Roby, Davante Adams, Kyle Van Noy, Marqise Lee... These guys must be rated higher than Ford? Nope...

So the only thing I can say is Dorsey takes BPA at a position of need. Ford was the top rated guy on their board. Same with Fisher the year before. He's drafting for need, its just he doesn't necessarily draft for immediate need. His board also, obviously, varies drastically from what I think.

What I did notice in both cases... There weren't really any top rated 3-4OLB prospect types that really made a difference as a rookie; not Smith, not Attaochu, not Lawrence, not Ealy, and definitely not Ford. There were also several other rookies I thought to be better players overall that didn't make an impact.

We can look back and say KC should have drafted Matthews or they should have drafted Benjamin with a bit of anger, but many GMs did the same thing Dorsey did. It also appears that development of these young pass rushers was the norm. Ford fell well within the norm.

Also, I would not be surprised to see us draft Grasu in the second and let Hudson walk. I know, I am evil for even pointing it out. 5-6 mil in cap space for a second round pick seems like a trade Dorsey might make.

9-7 against the toughest schedule in the league and beat the two teams that were in the Super Bowl.

That's close, despite what your pessimism suggests.

There is no ****ing way they let Hudson walk away.

None.

Nada.

Zilch.

They aren't even close to being that stupid.

You work Hudson a deal before Houston. He's that important.

Bullshit. You let your truefan colors shine on through there. The only way you work a deal with Hudson first is if you are tagging Houston.

Close to nothing. So long as we have Alex Smith, we will never sniff a championship. At some point in the playoffs, you will need your QB to pick your team up and carry 'em down the field. Alex Smith is woefully inept once we fall behind.

Then how you do explain 379 yards passing, 4 TD's and another 50+ on the ground vs. Indy?

Absolutes are for children and fools.

Yes, we might win a playoff game. We will never reach a championship. How many 300+ yard passing games has Alex Smith put together with the Chiefs? Two?

Sean Smith is on the last year of his contract. We'll probably go CB.

Ugh. I hope not.

After basically 2 drafts of the same shit.....it wouldn't surprise me.

I'd hope they'd resign him

Quinten Rollins in the first and Hroniss Grasu in the second. about 15 mill in cap space saved thanks to Dorsey's thrifty draft decisions. That should pay for Alex Smith in 2016! Woohoo

That will almost certainly NOT be where the value is in the 1st round.

Value in the first will likely be at passrusher, DL, and OL, with a couple reasonable reaches at WR.

The Chiefs aren't going passrusher or DL. They're almost certainly going OL or speedy WR.

Depends on FA. If Dorsey signs a RT and LG then I can see DE being the pick bc Andy loves those fat ****s.

But I think WR and OL is the best guess.

If the Chiefs sign two starting offensive lineman, it'll be either WR or ILB.

Nothing at guard
Nothing at tackle
Parker is unsigned and Abdullah has a year left
Only 1 TE
Nothing but a promising rookie at receiver
Nothing at quarterback
Smith is in a contract year
Poe is entering a contract year
Howard is in a contract year
Nothing at ILB (but DJ coming off an Achilles at his age)

They need to have a good offseason if we are gonna be able to improve the roster.

Lots of huge question marks next offseason.

The Chiefs can go virtually any direction. About the two positions on this team we can't stand to upgrade are FB and P.

Everything else, we could use some work at.

Here's something fun for you guys... Not necessarily a tell all of what will be done. I charted Reid and Dorsey's draft history. Whether each were directly in control of the selection or not, both were integrally involved. This looks at collegiate position primarily, not eventual pro position.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/data:...BJRU5ErkJggg==
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What I see is that 41% of the time they have taken a DLineman in round 1, followed by 18% an OLineman.

They take a WR or DB 21% of the time in round 2, with Dline at 18%, and then OLine and Linebacker at 12%.

In round 3, they take a DBack 28% of the time...

You can go through this and draw your own conclusions. Its mostly trend analysis, not necessarily will it be a perfect predictive model

Awesome

thanks for making that kccrow

Here is another look at breakouts by round and then also by position groupings:

Round 1
1. DT - 22%
2. DE - 19%
3. LB - 11%
3. WR - 11%
3. OT - 11%
6. OG - 7%
6. CB - 7%
6. QB - 7%
9. TE - 4%

1. Defensive Line - 41%
2. Offensive Line - 18%
3. Passing Weapon - 15%
4. Linebacker - 11%
5. Defensive Back - 7%
5. Quarterback - 7%

Round 2
1. WR - 21%
2. LB - 12%
3. DE - 9%
3. OT - 9%
3. DT - 9%
3. CB - 9%
3. FS - 9%
8. RB - 6%
8. QB - 6%
10. OG - 3%
10. TE - 3%
10. SS - 3%

1. Passing Weapon - 24%
2. Defensive Back - 21%
3. Defensive Line - 18%
4. Linebacker - 12%
4. Offensive Line - 12%

Round 3

1. CB - 14%
1. RB - 14%
1. SS - 14%
4. LB - 11%
4. DE - 11%
6. WR - 7%
6. DT - 7%
6. TE - 7%
6. OG- 7%
10. QB - 4%
10. KP - 4%

1. Defensive Back - 28%
2. Defensive Line - 18%
3. Passing Weapon - 14%
3. Running Back - 14%
5. Linebacker - 11%

Round 4
1. Linebacker 12%
1. Wide Receiver - 12%
1. Offensive Tackle - 12%
1. Cornerback - 12%
1. Free Safety - 12%
6. Offensive Guard - 10%
7. Running Back - 7%
8. Defensive End - 5%
8. Strong Safety - 5%
10. Defensive Tackle - 2%
10. Tight End - 2%
10. Quarterback - 2%
10. Offensive Center - 2%
10. Kicker/Punter - 2%

1. Defensive Back - 29%
2. Offensive Line - 24%
3. Passing Weapon - 14%
4. Linebacker - 12%
5. Running Back - 7%
5. Defensive Line - 7%

Round 5
1. Offensive Guard - 13%
1. Tight End - 13%
3. Wide Reciever - 11%
3. Defensive End - 11%
3. Offensive Tackle - 11%
3. Cornerback - 11%
3. Quarterback - 11%
8. Linebacker - 8%
9. Running Back - 5%
10. Defensive Tackle - 3%
10. Free Safety 3%
10. Fullback 3%

1. Offensive Line - 24%
1. Passing Weapon - 24%
3. Defensive Line - 14%
3. Defensive Back - 14%
5. Quarterback - 11%

Round 6
1. Linebacker - 17%
2. Offensive Tackle - 12%
3. Wide Receiver - 10%
3. Defensive Tackle - 10%
3. Offensive Guard - 10%
6. Defensive End - 7%
6. Cornerback - 7%
6. Running Back - 7%
6. Offensive Center - 7%
10. Fullback - 5%
11. Tight End - 2%
11. Quarterback - 2%
11. Kicker/Punter - 2%

1. Offensive Line - 29%
2. Linebacker - 17%
2. Defensive Line - 17%
4. Passing Weapon - 12%
5. Rushing Weapon - 12%

Round 7
1. Linebacker - 16%
2. Running Back - 14%
3. Defensive Tackle - 12%
4. Wide Receiver - 9%
4. Defensive End - 9%
4. Offensive Guard - 9%
7. Tight End - 7%
7. Offensive Tackle - 7%
9. Quarterback - 5%
9. Strong Safety - 5%
11. Cornerback - 2%
11. Free Safety - 2%
11. Offensive Center - 2%

1. Defensive Line - 21%
2. Offensive Line - 18%
3. Linebacker - 16%
3. Passing Weapon - 16%
5. Running Back - 14%

No prob, enjoy. :)

Wow. Deserves its own thread, kccrow.

Honestly, I'm indifferent about this offseason because the Chiefs aren't going anywhere with Alex as the starting QB.

Holy elk shit, did I just read this? Are you tripping balls right now?

Nope.

Just a tidbit from the noob.

#4 Pick Sammy Watkins
6-1 211
40- 4.39
20- 2.52
10- 1.54
Bench- 16
Vert- 34
Broad- 10'6"
20 yrd shuttle- 4.34
3 cone- 6.95

Undrafted Albert Wilson
5-9 202
40-4.38
20-2.50
10-1.54
Bench-10
Vert -37.5
Broad- 10'3"
20 yrd shuttle- 4.21
3 cone-7.00

2 very comparable players at either end of the draft process. The only thing separating the 2 is probably their height and where they played.

Some shitty "reach pick"

Sorry if Q

Well, it is well documented how you overvalue linemen like some crazy mother****er. Shouldn't have been surprised, I suppose.

I don't overvalue them. I just understand their value.

Having a competent center is the keystone to building a solid, cohesive offensive line. Having one who has now developed a rapport with the QB over the past two seasons, is young and is still on an upswing even though he's one of the best at his position in the league is a priority to re-sign.

Hudson is every bit as important to the continued success of this team as Houston is. Maybe more. The dude kicked ass this year with a rookie on his right and the two worst guards in the NFL on his left. That says something.

I get the value of talented linemen, I do. One has to look no further than Vermeil's teams to understand what a talented offensive line can do for a team overall. But I don't think Hudson brings to the offense half of what Houston brings to the defense. Hudson is a solid, solid guy that I like, but Houston is a once a decade talent we absolutely stole in the draft.

Letting a Justin Houston walk or be traded to keep a Rodney Hudson should get Dorsey fired if he were to do it, and I really want us to keep Hudson.

The problem I have with Houston, or at least the perception of Houston, is that he's worth any price to keep, and I don't agree with that.

Yes, he's the best 34 OLB in the league IMO coming off his best season as a pro and is now in the situation to basically let the other 31 teams in the league set his price. It's going to be expensive and I don't think that you bankrupt a team for one guy. Seattle is a prime example of how you can build the best defense in the league with solid players across the board versus, say, the Texans, who are basically tied to one magnificent player and the rest of the defense comprised of guys who you have to fit around that one monstrous salary of the stud.

If Houston was to take a deal similar to what Smith did on the offensive side of the ball, then sure, you sign him. But you don't get into a bidding war with the lunatic front offices in the league just to keep him on your team. It's why we have Dee Ford on our team now IMO. He was the insurance against an insanity level contract negotiation by Houston more than a replacement of Hali.

And you most definitely do not let guys like Hudson walk just so you have money to spend for Houston. 53 guys make a team.

If you thought that the offensive line was bad last year, imagine what that is going to look like with a brand new center in 2015. There aren't enough Justin Houston's to cover up that level of stink and you basically end up with the Shottenheimer era Chiefs.

There has to be balance on the team, on both sides of the ball.

Seattle built that defense thru the draft and by good FA signings for cheap. Now, the bill is coming due and they probably can't pay everyone.

In the end though, you can't let a player of Houston caliber walk for nothing or at all.

Signing Houston is gonna take alot of money, but they guy has shown he can perform at not only the level 9f the money he will make, but can highly impact the other players around them making them better by him just doing his thing.

The Texans being what they are, isn't because of watt. It's because they haven't drafted or signed players worth a shit on defense.

If the chiefs sign houston or don't sign him, the end doesn't matter if the don't start or keep drafting young cheap talent.

also, you know what you can get from houston.

Like watt, he's a potential 20 sack per year player, who's not in his age prime yet.

So you can pay Houston and get potentially 20 sacks from h8m, or pay 3 guys what you'd eventually pay for Houston and hope to accumulate 20 sacks From the 3.

One guy you can defense. See Jared Allen for his entire career. Derrick Thomas. Two of the very best sack masters in the history of the NFL. Didn't win shit in the post season.

Seattle's best this year? Michael Bennett with 7.

New Englands sack leader in 2014? Rob Ninkovich with 8.

A great defense doesn't need sacks to be great.

So you don't pay the NFL sack leader so you can resign a center? LMAO