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Deberg_1990 03-09-2015 07:06 PM

Apple iWatch Do you want?
 
Looks solid, but i must say.......it looks like an attractive way to get yourself mugged if your walking around with $500 to $1000+ on your wrist. Thoughts?


http://www.vox.com/2015/3/9/8175517/...ting-expensive

Rausch 03-09-2015 07:09 PM

No.

Psyko Tek 03-09-2015 07:29 PM

I am all for them
let's me see in advance people I don't wanna know

mr. tegu 03-09-2015 07:31 PM

Yes, because people never walk around with expensive things on their fingers and wrists.

BigMeatballDave 03-09-2015 08:07 PM

No. Stupid.

Just like the Android watches.

Silock 03-09-2015 08:13 PM

No, and a HELL NO at that price point.

|Zach| 03-09-2015 08:20 PM

I just don't like the form factor of a watch. Looks cool. I like apple products and I am sure a lot of people will like it but its not for me.

NewChief 03-09-2015 08:52 PM

Not interested yet. Wearables don't totally turn me off, but I'm not interested enough to be an early adopter.

mr. tegu 03-09-2015 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11372136)
Not interested yet. Wearables don't totally turn me off, but I'm not interested enough to be an early adopter.

I suspect way more people feel this way than don't and this idea never really goes that far. It just seems pointless.

asdf 03-09-2015 10:02 PM

$1000.....pffftt.....I'd much rather buy one of the really good ones...

http://www.macrumors.com/2015/03/09/...pricing-10000/

|Zach| 03-09-2015 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewChief (Post 11372136)
Not interested yet. Wearables don't totally turn me off, but I'm not interested enough to be an early adopter.

I could be proven wrong of course because innovation and adaption and a host of things i cant predict could happen but I don't think they could do much to to sell me on one. I can't say "maybe if it looked like that or had that" I just don't like the form factor.

007 03-10-2015 12:13 AM

JFC that is more expensive than the ipad for lesser tech. WTF

RobBlake 03-10-2015 12:16 AM

this fad will die.

|Zach| 03-10-2015 01:04 AM

I am not a big believer but it is funny usually Apple has a pretty good vision. Initial reactions to the ipad on here when it came out are a great read. Be interesting to see how this market sorts itself out.

L.A. Chieffan 03-10-2015 09:38 AM

I've been trying out the Moto 360 for a little while, I like it. The equivalent Apple watch is twice as expensive. Lol Apple loves bending people over.

DaveNull 03-10-2015 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11371856)
Looks solid, but i must say.......it looks like an attractive way to get yourself mugged if your walking around with $500 to $1000+ on your wrist. Thoughts?


http://www.vox.com/2015/3/9/8175517/...ting-expensive

Because there's not currently a market for watches more than $500.

DaFace 03-10-2015 10:20 AM

It looks like they did a nice job with it. Unfortunately, I'm still not convinced there's a real market for smart watches - at least at those price points.

DaFace 03-10-2015 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 11372951)

The difference is that a nice, premium watch can be a great investment if you take care of it and plan to wear it for a decade or more.

A smart watch - especially for an early adopter - is likely going to be a paper weight in 2-3 years.

kysirsoze 03-10-2015 10:24 AM

I read that with regular use, you'd have to charge it like 3 times a day. If true, wow is this useless.

DaveNull 03-10-2015 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 11372966)
I read that with regular use, you'd have to charge it like 3 times a day. If true, wow is this useless.

You read incorrectly. 18 hours was what they said yesterday with about two hours to recharge.

But you'd be correct. Charging three times a day would be silly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 11372956)
The difference is that a nice, premium watch can be a great investment if you take care of it and plan to wear it for a decade or more.

A smart watch - especially for an early adopter - is likely going to be a paper weight in 2-3 years.

I think I'll grab the black aluminum one. Eventually a stainless one with that loop style bracelet would be great, but I'm not jumping that far out there on the first generation.

morphius 03-10-2015 10:36 AM

I just think rectangular watches look awful. Maybe that will change someday, but right now I think it is might just be fanbois who have to have the latest apple mobile gadget that will be rushing to get this. I wonder how they are going to do on getting people to camp out for it. If there are not long lines for it, it could be pretty embarrassing with the numbers they have pre-ordered.

Beef Supreme 03-10-2015 10:46 AM

Even if I thought this was a cool idea, which I don't, I'd still wait a few years and get a better version for 1/3 the price.

AustinChief 03-10-2015 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 11372955)
It looks like they did a nice job with it. Unfortunately, I'm still not convinced there's a real market for smart watches - at least at those price points.

They did an OK job with it but it is no different than the Android watches ... and NONE of them have any game changing usefulness yet.

You're right about the price points.. the Apple price points are ludicrous and even the Android price points are too high right now.

Watches will take off if/when the price for a decent one is around $200 AND more importantly it actually does something people feel they really need.

DaFace 03-10-2015 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 11373357)
They did an OK job with it but it is no different than the Android watches ... and NONE of them have any game changing usefulness yet.

You're right about the price points.. the Apple price points are ludicrous and even the Android price points are too high right now.

Watches will take off if/when the price for a decent one is around $200 AND more importantly it actually does something people feel they really need.

I love the idea of it and still toy with the idea of grabbing a Moto 360 just for fun, but I just can't justify paying that kind of money for a disposable device. :)

AustinChief 03-10-2015 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 11373519)
I love the idea of it and still toy with the idea of grabbing a Moto 360 just for fun, but I just can't justify paying that kind of money for a disposable device. :)

Same here. If you like the 360 check out the new Huawei when it comes out. It has the same form factor without the annoying black notch... full round display.

http://images.techtimes.com/data/ima...atch.jpg?w=600

DaveNull 03-10-2015 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 11373357)
They did an OK job with it but it is no different than the Android watches ... and NONE of them have any game changing usefulness yet.

You're right about the price points.. the Apple price points are ludicrous and even the Android price points are too high right now.

Watches will take off if/when the price for a decent one is around $200 AND more importantly it actually does something people feel they really need.

I don't know...$400 doesn't seem that insane. There isn't any difference in the electronics or software between the collections so if you go beyond the Sport you're choosing to be fancy.

As far as the "what it does" argument goes, I never dropped a hundo on a Fitbit like a lot of people have recently and there is an app I use 20x times per day on my phone which will be a lot more accessible on my wrist.

I've seen a surprising number of 360s around and the people that have them generally like them. I'm not an Android person so that's not an option.

MTG#10 03-10-2015 02:43 PM

I'd buy one if it were < $200 and worked with an Android phone. Otherwise, no thanks.

AustinChief 03-10-2015 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 11373568)
I'm not an Android person so that's not an option.

Android Wear is supposed to have iPhone compatibility soon.
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/03...-compatbility/

$400 for something with a 2-3 year life cycle seems ridiculous to me especially given the extremely limited usefulness. Other than fitness(which I care little to nothing about) it doesn't do anything I can't get from reaching in my pocket and pulling out my phone. It would be a different story if the device REPLACED a phone but it doesn't.

AustinChief 03-10-2015 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 11373609)
I'd buy one if it were < $200 and worked with an Android phone. Otherwise, no thanks.

I'm on the same page if it also looked good (most of them including the Apple Watch are ugly as shit to me)

MTG#10 03-10-2015 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 11373613)
Android Wear is supposed to have iPhone compatibility soon.
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/03...-compatbility/

But do you think we'll ever see Apple make a product compatible with Android? Hell no.

DaveNull 03-10-2015 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 11373633)
But do you think we'll ever see Apple make a product compatible with Android? Hell no.

Apple is developing the next version of the Beats streaming service to work on Android.

DaveNull 03-10-2015 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 11373613)
Android Wear is supposed to have iPhone compatibility soon.
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/03...-compatbility/

That may be the case, but the developers out there will be targeting the Apple Watch first. Regardless of whether it outsells Android Wear watches, people that are going to buy an Apple Watch are less likely to expect everything they run on there to be free.

AustinChief 03-10-2015 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 11373687)
That may be the case, but the developers out there will be targeting the Apple Watch first. Regardless of whether it outsells Android Wear watches, people that are going to buy an Apple Watch are less likely to expect everything they run on there to be free.

Developers have been jumping ship on Apple for awhile now. The market share simply isn't there anymore. (I know this since I develop for both and it almost isn't worth my time to focus on iOS anymore) Combine that with Android's head start and the limited functionality and I doubt there will be much difference in the app space here.

Fish 03-10-2015 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 11373816)
Developers have been jumping ship on Apple for awhile now. The market share simply isn't there anymore. (I know this since I develop for both and it almost isn't worth my time to focus on iOS anymore) Combine that with Android's head start and the limited functionality and I doubt there will be much difference in the app space here.

Speaking of market share... Remember when you lost that bet with me regarding Apple's tablet market share?

Apple still maintains well over 15% market share by the way.

Quote:

While Android will continue to keep its place as the leading operating system, Apple, with 27.5% market share, remains the single-biggest brand in the tablet market. IDC tells me that in Q3 specifically, Apple’s iPad had a 22.1% share.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/25/idc...-235-7m-units/
Ever going to come good on your bet?

AustinChief 03-10-2015 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 11373902)
Speaking of market share... Remember when you lost that bet with me regarding Apple's tablet market share?

Apple still maintains well over 15% market share by the way.



Ever going to come good on your bet?

Apple isn't at 15%, you keep looking at bullshit figures like IDC which only count the major brands... totally ignoring the massive white-label market and small brands which are all androids. I'll have to check but I think it's close to 100 million total units shipped last quarter. A quick check of Apple and they were around 12 million of those. I can't confirm these figures though because I'm not willing to pay $2000 for the actual report.

I do however have a friend in Germany who might be able to get us the report through his company. I'll ask him but this is probably all moot because although I think there is no way I am not correct NOW, I doubt I was correct when our bet finished... although I think it is much closer than the idiotic IDC figures.

I'll reach out to my friend and if he gets us the reports great if not I'll concede. If I remember correctly you wanted this tablet...


http://c.shld.net/rpx/i/s/i/spin/ima...4&op_sharpen=1

:D

mr. tegu 03-11-2015 02:24 PM

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/oL1xf_X0W2s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

DaveNull 03-13-2015 01:29 PM

<a href="http://atomicdelights.com/blog/a-glimpse-at-how-the-apple-watch-is-made">Profesional product designer breaks down the Apple manufacturing videos about the Apple Watch.</a>

Of note:

Quote:

Casting is a process that doesn't offer the level of precision Apple needs for the next step and this machining allows them to control the dimensions of the ingot to within 0.01mm.
Quote:

This level of inspection is, to put it mildly, fastidious beyond where most other companies would go (save Rolex). Immersion ultrasonic inspection is typically reserved for highly stressed medical implants and rotating components inside of aircraft engines; not only does this step take time, it also is typically performed by custom built machines of tremendous expense.
Quote:

Though I design aluminum parts, I long ago gave up even attempting to craft them to Apple's finishing standards. No company in the world is finishing and anodizing to Apple's level and part of their secret is every perfectly bead blasted Apple surface starts off as a perfectly polished surface. To compete with Apple, one either needs to invest in equipment with prices equivalent to a CNC machine (6 axis robotic arms with custom end actuators - i.e. hands - to hold your parts), or pay staggering sums of money to have an expert hand polish your parts and accept the fact that the best you will ever get is a reject rate of 10%.
Quote:

Most anodizing racks are general purpose affairs with clips or hooks that both hold the part and make the positive electrical contact. Apple is using custom formed and plastic dipped racks that very (very) densely hold parts. It's yet another detail that anyone in manufacturing is likely to look at and think "Wow, I wish we had the volume/budget to pull that trick off."
Quote:

I see these videos and I see a process that could only have been created by a team looking to execute on a level far beyond what was necessary or what will be noticed. This isn't a supply chain, it is a ritual Apple is performing to bring themselves up to the standards necessary to compete against companies with centuries of experience.

AustinChief 03-13-2015 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 11381325)
<a href="http://atomicdelights.com/blog/a-glimpse-at-how-the-apple-watch-is-made">Profesional product designer breaks down the Apple manufacturing videos about the Apple Watch.</a>

Of note:

simply put... Apple's manufacturing process means you'll have a watch that can last a lifetime but will still be obsolete in 2-3 years.

DaFace 03-13-2015 01:35 PM

I'm assuming not, but has there been any talk of being able to upgrade the core watch without having to upgrade the band and enclosure somehow? That's the only thing that could make it a little more worth it.

The Rick 03-13-2015 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 11381346)
I'm assuming not, but has there been any talk of being able to upgrade the core watch without having to upgrade the band and enclosure somehow? That's the only thing that could make it a little more worth it.

This image and the blurb alongside it on their site for the watch raises the possibility. Unlikely, but who knows. Here's the blurb:

Massive constraints have a way of inspiring interesting, creative solutions. A prime example is the custom-designed chip at the heart of Apple Watch. No traditional computer architecture could fit within such a confined space. So we found a way to integrate many subsystems into one remarkably compact module, which is then completely encapsulated in resin to protect the electronics from the elements, impact, and wear. Configuring an entire computer system on a single chip is an industry first and represents a singular feat of engineering and miniaturization.

http://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-co...ch-S1-chip.jpg

DaveNull 03-13-2015 01:51 PM

Some speculation that it might be possible based on the whole system being on a single self contained chip. Honestly I don't think it matters. Anyone getting an Edition has enough money not to care about the thing being obsolete. The Sport edition is almost the same price as the old click-wheel iPods were and you never heard people bitching about not being able to upgrade those.

alpha_omega 03-13-2015 01:57 PM

nope. don't wear a watch and i sure wouldn't wear this one.

JD10367 03-16-2015 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 11381336)
simply put... Apple's manufacturing process means you'll have a watch that can last a lifetime but will still be obsolete in 2-3 years.

:LOL:

morphius 03-16-2015 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Rick (Post 11381359)
Configuring an entire computer system on a single chip is an industry first and represents a singular feat of engineering and miniaturization.

I assume they are talking about the smart watch market, because anything more than that would be doubtful.

AustinChief 03-16-2015 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Rick (Post 11381359)
No traditional computer architecture could fit within such a confined space. So we found a way to integrate many subsystems into one remarkably compact module, which is then completely encapsulated in resin to protect the electronics from the elements, impact, and wear. Configuring an entire computer system on a single chip is an industry first and represents a singular feat of engineering and miniaturization.

It's sad that anyone would believe crap like this. As if we haven't had SoC for years upon years now. But fanbois will be fanbois I guess.

The Rick 03-16-2015 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 11386377)
It's sad that anyone would believe crap like this. As if we haven't had SoC for years upon years now. But fanbois will be fanbois I guess.

:shrug:

The Rick 03-16-2015 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morphius (Post 11386335)
I assume they are talking about the smart watch market, because anything more than that would be doubtful.

:shrug:

Baby Lee 03-16-2015 11:54 AM

Can someone explain why I need something on my wrist that requires an IPhone also be in my pocket?

Is pulling an Iphone out of your pocket that big a hassle?

AustinChief 03-16-2015 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11386460)
Can someone explain why I need something on my wrist that requires an IPhone also be in my pocket?

Is pulling an Iphone out of your pocket that big a hassle?

No one has yet come up with an adequate answer to this (for Android watches as well)

L.A. Chieffan 03-16-2015 01:32 PM

Saves time and battery. I can be at the gym with my phone in my locker or my gym bag across the room and I can see alerts and control my phone.

Also it's a watch. Why does anybody wear a watch?

NewChief 03-16-2015 01:41 PM

It's like a homescreen for people who don't want to get out their phone and pull down the shade. I can get behind that to an extent, because I absolutely appreciate the convenience of the home screen (not having to unlock phone).

That being said, I mean... I get that it's convenient, but it's not $400 worth of convenience.

L.A. Chieffan 03-16-2015 01:44 PM

Any watch you buy that's worth anything will run you that much. If you don't wear a watch at all I get it, it's probably not for you. But if you drop four or five hundy on a watch anyways might as well get one that also syncs with your phone and get more out of it.

NewChief 03-16-2015 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 11386700)
Any watch you buy that's worth anything will run you that much. If you don't wear a watch at all I get it, it's probably not for you. But if you drop four or five hundy on a watch anyways might as well get one that also syncs with your phone and get more out of it.

Yeah. But if I buy a Shinola, it's a timeless (haha) timepiece. The iwatch will probably be outdated and shitty (or at least feel that way) after a few years.

DaveNull 03-16-2015 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 11386377)
It's sad that anyone would believe crap like this. As if we haven't had SoC for years upon years now. But fanbois will be fanbois I guess.

Apple isn't saying that.

AustinChief 03-16-2015 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 11386733)
Apple isn't saying that.

Umm I believe that was from an Apple press release. May be wrong but if so the article misquoted it.

DaveNull 03-16-2015 02:04 PM

Quote:

Apple custom-designed its own S1 SiP (System in Package) to miniaturize an entire computer architecture onto a single chip.
- <a href="http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/09/09Apple-Unveils-Apple-Watch-Apples-Most-Personal-Device-Ever.html">Source</a>

They've been referring to their mobile processors as SoC's since around 2010.

The Rick 03-16-2015 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 11386733)
Apple isn't saying that.

Don't get me wrong, I use and like Apple stuff and am considering getting one of these. Make of it what you will, but the text I quoted was pulled directly from their site:

http://www.apple.com/watch/technology/

DaveNull 03-16-2015 02:53 PM

Oh i get that...AC just took that to mean that Apple is claiming that it has invented the concept of a SoC.

AustinChief 03-16-2015 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 11386868)
Oh i get that...AC just took that to mean that Apple is claiming that it has invented the concept of a SoC.

Please explain to us what this line means then...

Quote:

Configuring an entire computer system on a single chip is an industry first
Because to anyone with a decent grasp of English it sounds like they are claiming exactly that.

DaveNull 03-16-2015 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 11387060)
Please explain to us what this line means then...



Because to anyone with a decent grasp of English it sounds like they are claiming exactly that.

Yeah, I see that. My point was that they've been referring to a "system on a chip" since the A4 in 2010. I don't know what makes the S1 different.

AustinChief 03-16-2015 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveNull (Post 11387164)
Yeah, I see that. My point was that they've been referring to a "system on a chip" since the A4 in 2010. I don't know what makes the S1 different.

I think it was just some over eager idiot who wrote the press release. Since Jobs died, crap like this slips out far more often than it should.

SoC goes back all the way to the early 2000s, hell you could claim even earlier but it's a bit of stretch.

007 03-16-2015 11:59 PM

I'm one of the minority that just feels naked without my watch but there is no way in hell I would fork out the money for something like this. Android or iOS. Now, get one down to under $200 that doesn't look like a cheap $25 plastic watch and lets talk.

The design factor of these watchs just looks cheap unless you are going for the super high dollar ones. I don't want my watch to stand out. Just want it to do the job I need.

EDIT

My last sentence probably seems contradictory so I'll adjust a little. What I mean is, I want my watch to look presentable but not stand out. Apple loves their colors and they don't want to be unnoticed. They want this watch to scream "I'm an iWatch"

Psyko Tek 03-17-2015 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 11372865)
I've been trying out the Moto 360 for a little while, I like it. The equivalent Apple watch is twice as expensive. Lol People love Apple bending them over.


FYP

RobBlake 03-17-2015 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyko Tek (Post 11387866)
FYP

Fred is a pos

AustinChief 03-17-2015 01:34 AM

No if they ever make this work like they plan to... I would totally fork over $300+ for one...

Here is where they are now...
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tuLwPZrOH5Q?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Here is where they plan to go...
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9J7GpVQCfms?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Going to YEARS away but in that time span the phone tech may miniaturize enough that a slightly larger version of this could replace your phone entirely.

EDIT: HA, just noticed the gay french dude has a basket on his bike.. wtf???


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