Late night bullshit: drafting the Chiefs in the CP Mock.
 

Thanks to the ChiefsPlanet Mock gods (I.e. Pesty), I'm representing the Chiefs in this year's Mock.

I'm reasoning out my picks as much as time allows when my turn pops up, and I'll dump my reasoning for each pick in here for your ridicule and/or hero worship.

The mock doesn't allow for compensatory picks, but I'll make ersatz selections in this thread, too.

The OP will be updated as the mock goes on.

1. OL Cameron Erving, Florida State
2. WR Devin Smith, Ohio State
3. WR Justin Hardy, East Carolina
3. OLB Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington
4. ILB Taiwan Jones, Michigan State

Your draft sucks already.

Poopyassfarts

What the ****?

We've had comp picks in the CP Mock the past many years. What the hell are you smoking?

Go spoon with Sacc

Actually I get it though. Makes sense.

For our first rounder:

The Chiefs have several options here that cross their mind.

They have the next Jamaal Charles. They have a physically-handcrafted-by-the-gods WR on the board. They have not one but FIVE tackles, two of which have LT upside in case Eric Fisher falters. They have a utility offensive lineman who can play every position. They have a passrusher with ridiculous potential. And they have a gargantuan, powerful nose tackle.

Like virtually every NFL team that's ever drafted (no matter what they say), I don't draft BPA blindly, at least in the first round. If I did, we'd have Jamaal Charles and Melvin Gordon in the backfield in Kansas City.

Instead, I draft for the player that will help the Chiefs the most in the short- and long-term. And that cancels out the RB, the OLB, and the NT.

And that leaves the OL options and DGB. (I am not an Armstead fan, and this is too early for any of the remaining QBs, CBs, ILBs, or Maxx Williams.)

DGB will not be the Chiefs selection in this mock. I am not convinced he has what it takes to succeed in the NFL, and even though Kelvin Benjamin is the guy ringing in everybody's ears right now, DGB has far more in common with the dumpster fire that was Johnny Baldwin. It's possible that DGB gets drafted in the 1st round in the ACTUAL NFL draft, given his promise, but it's unlikely he becomes the 1,000 yard receiver his natural abilities suggest. It's far more likely he's going to be dead weight.

That does leave us with the OL options, all of which I grade roughly equally. I won't go through each of them, because you guys hate that for some reason. So I'll just review what the Chiefs need.

At LT, they have Eric Fisher. Fisher has every physical and mental tool to be an effective LT in the NFL. He's struggled greatly due to a slower-than-hoped learning curve and constant (minor) health issues, which he's now recovered from. He's also the 1st overall pick from 2013, so he's going to have an incredible long leash. I still believe in Eric Fisher, probably foolishly, and I don't see an immediate need to draft a potential LT to man his spot should he fail in 2015.

At RT, they have Derek Sherrod, Donald Stephenson, and Jeff Allen. None of these guys are top-half RT material, but all would provide roughly the quality Ryan Harris did last year. Which is to say, not great.

At guard, we now have four starting-caliber guards in Grubbs, Fanaika, Allen, and Fulton. They are not world beaters, but the position isn't the dumpster fire it was after Jeff Allen went down in 2015. I believe Grubbs and Fanaika will be our starters, with Fulton at swing guard.

Center is incredibly hard to project, because nobody knows what to make of Eric Kush, who has played fairly well in preseason and against the Chargers a year ago.

The Chiefs needs at OL are surefire starters at C and RT. So why not get a guy that can play both positions as well as any prospect the 2015 NFL Draft has to offer?

The Chiefs select OL Cameron Erving, from Florida State University.

Erving played ONE season at center at FSU, and already became the best the nation has to offer. Keeping him there to develop offers embarrassingly high upside.

Unless of course the staff falls in love with Kush, and Allen, Stephenson, and Sherrod continue bringing nothing to the table at RT. In which case, Erving was an excellent left tackle for the Seminoles -- and yes, he does offer LT versatility, as well as guard versatility. If you're trying to figure out the Rubik's Cube of the Chiefs offensive line, it helps to have a block that could be any color you want.

Erving has gotten extremely strong the past year, and is an exceptional athlete at pulling out into space. Erving's biggest issues are all technique-related (particularly his kickslide), making him a perfect fit under Andy Reid's tutelage. Dorsey is sure to love his 34"+ arms, which are unheard of at center. Florida State's program has an excellent track record with their centers, anyway -- the Chiefs just let an FSU center walk into free agency and get paid over $9m/year.

The Cowboys and the 49ers have shown the value of stocking your OL with first round picks who end up panning out. While that is not my preferred approach for building a roster, the upside is that it makes life easier on great RBs, and allows more routes to open up downfield in the passing game.

Whether you like it or not, and there is no doubt 80% of you will hate this pick, the Chiefs... have won themselves the draft. I'm just waiting for all of you to catch up.

The Browns are on the clock.

Basically, you're banking on getting the next Hudson for cheaper.

I'd look elsewhere but i get it

Insert the true fan clapping gif

At 18 this year, unless something crazy happens and someone falls, the chiefs aren't likely to be able to take a blue chipper but can absolutely take a guy who can be a 10 year pro who could develop into an all pro.

Good place to be

I understand that Kush scares the shit out of a lot of people, but honestly, this is a stupid obsession some people have with filling that hole right here, right now.

It took Rodney Hudson a long time to figure shit out in the NFL. Expect the same for Cam Erving. If he underperforms, we have no choice but to get insurance for HIM next year.

Because honestly, the very problem we've had with building this offensive line the past many years has been an issue of, "I'm not worried about _______. We drafted him high. He's a good player. He'll be fine."

Only one of those players turned out to be "fine," and he's already gone. Asamoah, Stephenson, and Allen are all smelly turds and Fisher's Bustday Clock is reading 11:59 right now.

You know what, you're right.

Kush is gonna start and he's gonna be a badass. He works his frickin tail off I know that. He's very intelligent t and determined about this as well.

THIS.

You're wanting to draft a center with our first round pick.

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To be fair, drafting a center is a great idea if we're planning to transfer to the NBA during the offseason.

Whooooooole lot of bitching in this thread, but not a lot of the people complaining offering a better choice.

LMAO

ROFL

No, in no ****ing WORLD does it make ANY sense.

Have you people lost your minds?

Shut the **** up.

I swear, for a guy that does TEN ****ING MILLION MOCK DRAFTS EACH YEAR, you never, ever learn from it. I don't think you even watch football - I think this whole internet thing is just a hobby.

But okay, I'll play: La'el Collins, Maxx Williams, Erik Kendricks, Tyler Lockett, Nelson Agholor, Rashard Greene, Eddie Goldman, Devin Smith, Andrus Peat.

Need I go on?

Cam Erving is a genderqueer lineman. Nobody knows what the **** he is. He probably doesn't even know what the **** he is.

I would draft a kicker in the first round before I'd draft a center. That's how ridiculous it would be to draft a center at #18 overall.

Now, Dallas drafted Frederick at #32, after trading back and after having a starting QB, running back, beasts at WR and TE.

But the Chiefs? Center?

Just kill me now.

I wouldn't mind Erving... In the 2nd

I would go with Jalen Collins 6'2 big corner. Sean Smith not getting much younger he will be 28 this year and maybe he can learn from S.Smith until he ready to start. Because if Smith gets hurt who take his place? We all don't want Parker to take that spot again. We don't want Cooper at that spot is Fleming ready as a starter.

I would. There will be too much perimeter talent available to take a center in the 2nd round.

4th? Sure.

Idk.. I mean he is a great prospect and Kush is a big question mark at this point.

But if we are to go WR, the second round is going to be the one to do it. Assuming the top 3 are gone in the first.

There's just so many ways we can go.. It's going to be hard to **** up

Wrong.

Kush may be a big question mark to the fans, but he's clearly not a question to the coaching staff.

Who knows for sure if Kush start at center. Didn't Allen take a few snaps at Center also. They could and try plug him in their and see how it works out.

Good grief, people! Kush started the 2013 San Diego game, made all of the line calls, played extremely well and not one offensive lineman was called for a penalty. He graded out as the best center in preseason last year and he heads into 2015 as a starter.

For the attention that the center position gets around here, you'd think it was as important as a #2 starting WR, a CB, an ILB or a TE.

It's a center. He snaps the ball and blocks for 2 seconds.

Because he's held a roster spot? I mean I am hoping he's the guy, but it is still a risk going into the season with him as the starter. The guy has played very sparingly.. But as I said I would love to not take a center until late

Kush is a huge fail.

HUGE FAIL.

My guess is we'll draft someone between rounds 3-5 to fill that void...

LMAO

I've already explained it. Terez Paylor has said the Chiefs like him, too.

Good grief.

not sure if you're being serious or not. but its kind of hard being a huge fail when youre a 6th round draft pick.

Hmmm... Interesting theory about this being a hobby of mine.

Of those players you listed, only Collins makes sense. Williams is a huge question mark and Goldman, who I love and alluded to in my explanation, is not a fit when we already have Poe -- hell, Melvin Gordon would make more sense than him, because at least Charles is nearing the end.

The rest of those players are hilarious reaches. Have fun with that.

So, congrats. Your best preference would have been drafting a RT instead of a center who can also play RT.

Edit: Peat would have been a good choice, too.

You know who looked even better than Kush in that Chargers game?

Rishaw Johnson.

He looked so good, I was convinced he was our starting RG of the future.

Turns out we traded him for Kelcie McCray, and Johnson struggled to stay on the worst team in the NFL.

You're fired.

This sounds about right for the Chiefs.

Woo-****ing-hoo!

Yeah your first pick sucks ass. Drafting a C with our 1st overall is a complete waste. There were better players available at other positions.

You did a great job at really putting together a Chiefs-level pick, Direck. You can see the fans are pretty stoked about it.

At least some people supported my geno smith pick

Drafting a center in the first round is absolutely stunningly stupid.

I couldn't care less what you think is a reach: Any of the players I listed would make an impact on Day One, and far more of an impact than a center.

And speaking of a "reach": Tamba Hali was "reach" in 2006 and 15 or 20 people on Chiefsplanet said that he could have been had 10 picks later.

LMAO

LMAO

Sheldon Richardson pal.

Get with it

Of course everybody is forgetting that Erving can play left tackle at a high level as well, as long with every position on the line.

So Direk created a thread in the main forum for him to repost his posts from the draft thread? What's the intent? To obtain more criticism?

it's funny, I was the one in charge of the tamba hali CP DRAFT pick... suck it, direkshun's mom, and lick my taint.

Jordan Phillips was the correct pick.. But that didn't happen.


Because Direckshun.

Although I probably wouldn't have used SNR's particular words to describe Mr Erving, I fear he may be correct. Not sure I'd use #18 to draft a guy who's essentially a jack-of-all-trades for the OL. I get Direkshun's reasoning, but I think I'd rather take a guy who has mastered a position.

I was kind of in the Maxx Williams camp, but I heard that in his interviews, he was pretty much a me, me, me guy. Not sure we need a diva at TE. BUT, I am intrigued that he was dominant in the Big 10 as a redshirt sophomore. Has great hands and they get better in the red zone. Lots of upside.....and probably a good fit for our QB.

I'd also strongly consider a CB here; just not sure which one yet. Cannot have too many good CBs.

Probably go WR in the 2nd round.

LMAO

Wasn't it Mecca that said it was a bad pick and that he could have been had 10 picks later?

I remember me an Htismaque rolling our eyes. I wish my rep when that far back.

In the past, guys drafting for the Chiefs in the CP mock have drafted Dwayne Jarrett, Jimmy Clausen, and Geno Smith in the first.

I'm drafting to help the Chiefs the most I can in the short- and long-term. Not win popularity contests.

I think Peat, Collins, and maybe Melvin Gordon could have helped this team more than Erving, maybe . But I think Erving, now and potentially into the future, improves our team the most.

I simply disagree. I doubt that any of those players, with the possible exception of Peat and Collins, provide the Chiefs more value than Erving at either C or RT.

To bullshit some conversation in the middle of the night.

Right.

And this OL is a mystery, right now.

Of course you do.

LMAO

No.

The offensive line is a mystery to YOU, not Andy Reid or John Dorsey. You'll never, ever, EVER be in the ballpark if you don't think like the people that are actually making the selections. Dorsey has now gone on record saying that Kush is his guy. He'll bring in competition, but there's not a chance in hell he does it in Round One.

I don't believe that you've actually seen an NFL game.

*scratches head*

You really think so?

The Chiefs play dime 70% of the time... You think the best value would be to draft a DL that sees the field 50% of the time on a good week?

Discuss Thrower is actually missing more brain cells than you, so his opinion should be null and void.

"Jack" of all trades?

He was named to All Conference teams at BOTH LT and C.

He's an ace of all trades. And again, nobody churns out better centers than FSU right now.

Well first of all, I don't have to think like Dorsey/Reid in the CP mock. I'm the GM, not doing a Dorsey imitation.

Secondly, Dorsey has absolutely not said Kush starts week one -- he said they have complete confidence in him, which is promising but what else is Dorsey going to say about a guy he drafted. Plus, Dorsey said that a day AFTER my selection, so that quote wasn't capable of coloring my decision-making process.

Good grief.

Dorsey has had absolutely no issue with cutting players he's acquired. If he didn't like Kush, he'd be gone.

You as the GM would suck more than Schaaf, Peterson and Pioli combined.

You couldn't draft the right players if you were given every pick in the draft.

"Liking Kush" can be any number of things. He may like him as depth. He may also like him because, above all, he's cheap. The Chiefs tanked Marcus Cooper all year and he's still on the roster.

I haven't seen Dorsey give anything but shining endorsements to any drafted player of his.

He's allowed to handle them that way, but it sure robs those public remarks of their agency.

NSFW.

ROFL

ROFL

ROFL

Point goes to Dane

what's with the weird hostility?


did direckshun rape someone's fat mom?

It's just hard-wired to the Lil' Chiefy DNA now:

Lil' Chiefy gonna' love him some fatty.

Every...

****ing...

year.


Sad.

Yes, I'm joking.

We have no clue what Kush can do. He's started 1 game at C.

If we spent some low round pick on another one for depth I wouldn't freak out about it...

Ok, I'll answer this as rationally as I can since you asked....

These are the positions I would NOT draft before I took a center in the first round...

- fullback
- kicker
- punter

That's it. Center would be fourth in line on that list, so I would literally take any position other than those listed before I took a center in this year's first round. And before you launch into a Saccopoo-esque rant about the importance of offensive lines (and centers in particular), I will ask this one question - What's your problem with Eric Kush?

Exactly.

Picking Erving is not a bad way to go, and the fact that many of you disagree just reinforces that Direckshun is headed the right way.

As someone stated, Erving has remarkable versatility, so if Kush somehow steps up, then you still drafted a good RT that could play LT in a pinch. Erving at C has everything you could want. He's intelligent, strong, and has the cone and shuttle times to show he can get out quickly in space.. which is something that has to be very desirable for KC's outside runs and screen designs.

Whether a C, RT, whatever... strengthen the OL... which is equal to or is the weakest group other than ILB.

La'el Collins, Flowers, Peat, or maybe Kendricks would have been good choices also. Other than that, Erving is still a solid choice.

Wow so you drafted him to backup every position on the OL not to start at any particular one position.
Sure lets draft a swing backup OL with our 1st overall.

Gotta agree with Roundup on this one. Well said.

This. Cameron Erving is insurance for every position on the offensive line. Allen doesn't cut it at RT? Good thing we can plug Erving in. Kush isn't everything the coaching staff thought he was? Good thing we can plug Erving in. Fisher gets Alex Smith killed? Good thing we can plug Erving in (for the next guy.)

He is going to start, it is just a matter of where. Having a universal piece makes it much easier to find the other four pieces to fit around it.

We probably will. The current guy on the roster besides Kush who can kinda sorta but not really play center is Allen. And I don't like that idea at all

Sure, it'd be great to have a universal piece like that, but spending a first round pick on such a piece seems like a pretty high price to pay. But, depending on who's available....

Just seems like we should be able to find a more impactful player at 18.