Dorsey-"there are only 10-12 impact players in the draft"
 

@TerezPaylor: #Chiefs GM John Dorsey says there are 10-12 impact players in this draft.

Looks like a trade down is coming. Can you guess the 12 players?

Hopefully 10 of those are OL

"reach"

Convenient for a guy picking 18 to say


If we were picking 7, he'd have culled his list to five

Probably going to be one of the shittier drafts to have 7+ picks.

doubt a trade down. But its his way of justifying using a first rounder on another Eric Fisher/Dee Ford type who takes 2-3 years to develop rather than a guy that can come in day 1 and make an instant impact... but I expected nothing less from our first rounder cause thats ususlly the Chiefs Way

This. He's trying to entice a team to move up so he can get his wish and move down.

Look at Dorsey's two first round picks -

- Eric Fisher for Brandon Albert who was in his final year here
- Dee Ford for Tamba Hali that most everyone expected not to be here this season

Sean Smith is in his final year of his contract, and he's looking at a two game suspension to start the year. We're going corner in the first this draft, and Dorsey probably feels like he can nab one further down than where we are right now.

There are 12 impact players and we have 11 picks. I don't see the problem.

daniel jeremiah says there are 14-17 wow players in this draft if you include the 2 top runningbacks.

of course the Chiefs have the #18th pick with 17 max wow players in the draft :banghead:

yea his two first round picks who made zero impact as rookies for this team compared to players who were picked after that could have. Hes going to do it again.

and I like both players. Ive just accepted the fact that the Chiefs arent getting a year 1 impact talent

There are 12 impact players
The Chiefs pick at 18

I look forward to hearing something along the lines of

"He's one of the guys we felt would be an impact player, and we're thrilled that he was still there at 18".

some team will be stupid and draft offensive linemen before us. sorry, unless it's joe thomas, orlando pace, jon ogden or walter jones, an offensive lineman isn't 'wow' in any way, shape, or form.

Well, let's go up and get one of them then!

So then we're trading up

That doesn't mean they are all favored players that everyone else has.

It could easily be composed of players like Marcus Peters, Phillip Dorsett, Nelson Agholor, etc who could be there at our pick.

Yep.

LOl good ol chiefs. We cant draft for shit so lets put out the we need to trade down card. Who cares right Clark? As long as tickets keep being sold.

So we are taking DGB, since he will likely be the only impact player to fall to 18.

I would almost bet on a trade down. There are teams in the 20's that are going to want to either trade up for an OT (Carolina) or a RB (Arizona, Dallas).

I wasn't picking on Dorsey. That's a standard type of PR line for almost all GMs. It's like them saying "He was the #1 guy on our board". Pretty much every GM not named Belichick takes this approach. And I'm not saying that to excuse Belichick, it's just that he goes in a different direction because of his penchant for trading down.

Belichick takes the route of trying to sell people on "We had a group of about 5 players that we weighted the same, so we were able to trade down and still get one of them".

In both cases, the truth of the matter is irrelevant.

Speaking of. Yeah I think a trade down is coming..

@TerezPaylor: #Chiefs GM John Dorsey says they have called around and told teams they are open to having trade discussions. Obvious but keep it in mind.

Yea but he's including Winston and Mariota both of which will be busts.

Well that pretty much seals both to be pro bowlers.


jonny foosball!!!!!!!!!

The whole statement is stupid. As if anyone knows how many in the draft will be any good.

If your GM feels that there are only 10-12 impact players in the draft, shouldn't he be trying to move up and grab one rather than move back and get a guy he doesn't believe is an impact player?

John Dorsey wouldn't know an impact player even if they came up and ****ed him in the face

Shazaam!

Dorsey's impact players are probably not the same as another GM's impact players.

You guys realize that everyone is lying right now, right?

That's not true.

I don't think Jeremiah is lying.

He might be wrong but he's not lying.


I've heard several professional draftniks say a similar thing ... 12-ish impact players on paper.

Now every year there are at least a dozen impact players that aren't even listed in the 1st round. :shrug:

The thread ender. Well done.

I don't get the point of evening saying something like that (Jeremiah). There are gong to be later round guys that make an impact. There will be first round guys that bust.

Players who can come in and have an immediate impact on the game

That number is probably right, good thing for us some teams drafting ahead of us probably don't count the impact players correctly

People lie? holy shit

I think this is true of every draft.

There are 10-12 guys that can start from game one and have an immediate impact. Sometimes, it's players taken high and some times it's guys in the second, third, fourth or even undrafted.

The issue is and has always been the same: Identify, scout, draft and develop talent for your system, only.

Or trading down.

Just being safe and making sure he keeps his job.

Same Chiefs franchise for 30 years now.

Bitchplanet

My Exact thoughts

Thats funny. Every player in your sig was drafted by the Chiefs over the years.

Or staying put.

:D

Throwout Winston and Mariota. Will both might start immediately, neither will be a big time immediate impact player. I seriously doubt that Leonard Williams or Danny Shelton will be immediate impact players. Defensive line is generally the most difficult position for a rookie.

Dante Fowler? Bud Dupree? Shane Ray? Vic Beasley? Hard to say but doubtful. If any of those guys got six sacks, I'd consider that a big year for a rookie on bad teams without an opposing pass rusher. Randy Gregory? If he falls far enough, maybe. If he goes to the Ravens, Steelers or Patriots, he could have a very good rookie season.

Running back? Blech. Melvin Gordon and Todd Gurley might have 1,000 yard seasons but who cares? It's a devalued position. Offensive line? Is there such a thing as an "impact" offensive lineman? Scherf, Ereck Flowers, La'el Collins, Cameron Erving and D.J. Humphries will likely all start immediately but does that mean that they'll be immediate shutdown players? Highly unlikely.

So that leaves the cornerbacks and wide receivers. Cooper, White, Parker, Agholor, Dorsett, Smith, maybe Waynes, Johnson, Peters or Maxx Williams?

I think there's good reason for the Chiefs to stay at #18.

There aren't too many players I'd want to trade up for in the second. Marcus peters, then clemmings or Gregory if they fell that far. What I would really love to see is the raiders pass on cooper and then for us to trade up to 8-9 to take him.

Cool. More crying.

We just don't see enough of it around here...

You'd be giving up a 1st and probably a 2nd and a late rounder to move up that much for Cooper.

He's not THAT good.

Heh, exactly.

Seems a lot around here aren't happy unless they get to do it.

We're all aware of what the Chiefs do most years. It's like living in Alaska during the winter and bitching about the lack of daylight.

The teams who, historically speaking, draft best, don't draft for year 1. The Steelers never get shit from rookies.

Why people complain about drafting guys who will develop into our system makes no sense to me. You draft guys for 5-10 years, not 1.

That's because those teams usually have few holes and a lot of depth at multiple positions. That's why you usually never see those rookies do shit.

well hopefully one of those "impact" players fall to #18

I'm trying to whittle a list down to 10-12 from this:

QB Winston
RB Gurley
RB Gordon
WR Cooper
WR White
WR Parker
WR Strong
WR Agholor
WR Dorsett
OL Scherff
OL Peat
OL Collins
OL Humphries
OL Fisher
OL Grasu
OL Cann
OL Tomlinson
OL Marpet
ED Ray*
ED Gregory
ED Dupree
ED Fowler
ED Beasley
DT Williams
DT Shelton
DT Brown
LB Kendricks
CB Waynes
CB Johnson
CB Peters

Who you crossing off as "impact" player rookie year? I'm thinking Ray is one with the injury thing..

My best guess.

Knock off one of those WRs and add a DE/OLB and I think you're there, Pest.

Although that list isn't necessarily for our team. For our team you would have to probably remove both of the RBs, add a WR and probably another offensive lineman.

all this is bs talk. Not all players attain and match their hype going into the NFL, we all know this.

You guys actually believe this shit?

I would hate to draft in a manner that produces a team with few holes And a lot of depth at multiple positions.

My list has 30 players I think could at least have day 1 impacts on this team and I left off a few. That's the point. No way do I think there are only 10-12 guys that could come in and be "impact" players.

Now, if Dorsey were to think there will only be 10-12 impact players on the board at #18, then yeah I can agree with that.

You can't be serious. Either that or your definition of "impact" is far different than John Dorsey's or the normal person.

"Impact" doesn't mean "start" from game one nor does it mean contribute. Impact means that the player is special and elevates the rest of the team to a level unattainable without him on the field.

I'd like to know his definition of "impact player".

he must be thinking that 'impact' equals getting in some games their 1st year

i dont buy the trade down idea at THIS point

look at our roster, we're fairly deep in all positions. (meaning that a 4th, or 5th round player is going to have a hard time making the roster at nearly any position)

we need some playmakers at the top of the draft, though

I bet one of the players is from a nearby state........

Wide Receiver and Inside Linebacker are hardly deep positions. A case could easily be made for OLB, safety, swing tackle, center and even running back. After Charles & Davis, the cupboard's bare, IMO.

Nebraska?

Someone who has a big impact......i guess :roll eyes:

How many impact players has Dorsey drafted so far? I'd say 1....Kelce. I would consider Kelce an impact player. Everybody else verdict is still out. :hmmm: If Fisher becomes a great left tackle then he is an impact player, even if it took some time....i guess, no?

I don't really see the controversy?

History has shown he's right. That's pretty typical for most drafts

10-12 impact
A whole lot of solid to mediocre players
A whole lot of busts

Just depends on how u want to define "impact player"

Not when you have tes like the Jets, Faiders, Browns, etc picking before you. Chances of those teams NOT getting an impact player are pretty high.

If my GM feels that there are only 10-12 impact players in a draft, they haven't done their ****ing work, unless Dorsey is envisioning that there will be 10-12 impact players available when they pick each round with each pick.

****ing Dorsey.

Not when Tre McBride is still on the board and they are damn near identical in every single facet of the game.

Possibly, if he wasn't a walking injury.

I think people in general are just like, "**** it, we really need a WR, so draft one in the 1st round!"

There are far better players to be had than Phillip Dorsett or DGB at 18. Sorry folks, but it's true.

His whole speech seemed like he was just talking about round one. He said there will be 32 players drafted. Maybe 10-12 first round impact guys.

"Smoke screen"

ROFL

I think he mean "impacted" player.

Funny, I thought Knile Davis was an impact player his rookie season, as was DAT last season.

That Travis Kelce guy can play some footballs, too.

This

There is a shit load of talent to be had Mid 3 through the fourth rd you need to be armed to the teeth, the problem is we will be chasing ILB/TE/FS/CB/S just a all the other teams.

I could see a trade down or a trade up in any rd, or we might just catch a break for once.... if FA is any indication of how crazy the draft might be this year..... Im past ready lets get this shit going

We are way past due for a draft to fall our way

You'll be lucky to get 10-12 of these types in a single draft, and it is almost certain less than half will come from the 1st round.

When I think of "impact" player in the context in which Dorsey said something, I think a player that will come in and make an immediate positive contribution to the team in year one. I think of guys that can make the football team better right away. Yes, I do think there are more than 10 guys that can come in and make this team better right away. Will they make it exceptional or will that be an exceptional player throughout his career? That is unlikely.

Two events that will never happen in the same year: Chiefs have lots of picks AND deep draft. Chiefs.