ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Nzoner's Game Room (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
-   -   News How Whitlock is poisoning ESPN's "black Grantland" (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=292158)

Sully 04-27-2015 03:19 PM

How Whitlock is poisoning ESPN's "black Grantland"
 
http://deadspin.com/how-jason-whitlo...ium=socialflow

Very long read. Interesting, infuriating, sad, funny, and most likely headed to DC.

Enjoy...

ToxSocks 04-27-2015 03:29 PM

Read for about 5 mins or so.....scrolled down...kept scrolling and realized tl;dr

RealSNR 04-27-2015 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11461978)
Read for about 5 mins or so.....scrolled down...kept scrolling and realized tl;dr

Five minutes?

I lasted about 5 seconds before I realized I don't really care.

TimBone 04-27-2015 03:36 PM

He and Pioli are the same person, apparently.

TribalElder 04-27-2015 03:40 PM

That's racist.gif

Chief_For_Life58 04-27-2015 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11461987)
Five minutes?

I lasted about 5 seconds before I realized I don't really care.

i read op's title and realized i didnt care

Bufkin 04-27-2015 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 11461988)
He and Pioli are the same person, apparently.

Completely this. It was the most Pioli thing ever. The "working for the white man" lecture had me laughing.

The irony being that no sports writer campaigned against Pioli than Jason Whitlock. Didn't he coin the Egoli nickname?

notorious 04-27-2015 03:56 PM

Whitlock was fully behind us with the Pioli disaster. He even donated money.


I will give him a break.

Eleazar 04-27-2015 04:34 PM

Agree with notorious.


But...cliff notes?

Brock 04-27-2015 04:47 PM

The email he wrote that woman is pretty funny. So very self-important.

Chromatic 04-27-2015 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 11462105)
Agree with notorious.


But...cliff notes?

Whitlock is a delusional, egotistical, insecure, unqualified, paranoid borderline 9/11 truther.

Great article. The writer beats the shit out of Whitlock.

Discuss Thrower 04-27-2015 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 11462000)
Didn't he coin the Egoli nickname?


Game truly does recognize game.

Sully 04-27-2015 07:22 PM

I worked for a coach a few years back that was like this, in many ways.
He had a notebook he handed over that covered every elementary thing he expected. Some of it was great, game plans, weekly schedules, expectations. Other parts were ridiculous. How to wear your hat. How to dress at clinics, etc.
I get that it's "his" and he wants to make sure it reflects his vision. But much like the HC I worked for, you hire good people, and at some point you have to allow them to do their job.

Discuss Thrower 04-27-2015 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sully (Post 11462216)
I worked for a coach a few years back that was like this, in many ways.
He had a notebook he handed over that covered every elementary thing he expected. Some of it was great, game plans, weekly schedules, expectations. Other parts were ridiculous. How to wear your hat. How to dress at clinics, etc.
I get that it's "his" and he wants to make sure it reflects his vision. But much like the HC I worked for, you hire good people, and at some point you have to allow them to do their job.

I can't decide if coaches just naturally have this uber control freak thing or the more successful coaches get there by being control freaks and had to adapt to that personality from guys or women they started off as assistants for.

Sully 04-27-2015 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11462239)
I can't decide if coaches just naturally have this uber control freak thing or the more successful coaches get there by being control freaks and had to adapt to that personality from guys or women they started off as assistants for.

I've worked for both...

I've worked for two coaches who won multiple state titles. Both GREAT guys.
They are both different as far as control. I mean, they both have imposed their will on the program, but one of them made sure he was the fact of the program, and planned everything to the nth degree. The other one has.control, but within the program you really don't feel it. Things are just what they are because that's how they are.

But I also think you don't get anywhere in coaching (or any leadership) unless you think you've got the answers no one else does, and that you need to be followed in order to succeed.

Discuss Thrower 04-27-2015 07:36 PM

It's just been my observation from working HS sports for four years in two different avenues.

RINGLEADER 04-27-2015 08:17 PM

I've worked in the media business for 30 years. Having gotten thru most of the article all I can say is that Whitlock gets what makes a good media strategy. The best editors are overly confident dictators. Groupthink doesn't work as well as a single vision that has the will to make others follow. Period. Half of the magazines/websites/news shows I've worked on or owned that had a strong editor succeeded and half failed. Every one that had a weak editor failed in spectacular fashion.

I have no doubt Whitlock is as full of himself as he's presented to be in the story. And maybe he's such a blowhard his enterprise will collapse (he lacks another essential element which is trust which engenders loyalty which makes finding success so much easier). But being headstrong about what he wants doesn't make him the rotten ogre he's portrayed as in this article.

And that's coming from someone who's not much of a Whitlock fan.

wazu 04-27-2015 09:11 PM

I was on a plane this evening and had just pulled up this article before takeoff on my phone, so I actually read it all. It is a hopelessly rambling mess, and in the end it appears the author wants to paint Whitlock as an Uncle Tom as well as somebody who knows nothing, is out of touch with pop culture, is wildly insecure, and an egomaniac.

The last two might have truth, and the e-mails do a pretty good job of painting that picture. But the overall character assassination of this article is over-the-top and reeks of somebody who has lost all objectivity.

Baby Lee 04-28-2015 12:52 AM

Guess that answers this question

http://deadspin.com/can-jason-whitlo...-hi-1586606960

crazycoffey 04-28-2015 05:33 AM

Whitlock isn't poisonous, he's venomous......

Rausch 04-28-2015 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11462810)

Very long but worth the read.

Part of the problem seems to be the whole "black enough" measurement stick. I never got the impression Whitlock wrote for black America - he wrote for an American sports audience.

Whitlock doesn't have to explain black life to black people - he says what he does to attract attention from all people. He wasn't hired to write for only one demographic. He's trying to translate his opinions to a wider audience and while doing that things get lost in translation.

What makes him smart is that even when they take him the wrong way his talking points are headline news. The conversation happens. The matter is discussed.

Quote:

Carlson called Whitlock brave, and it was a compliment that aligned with how Whitlock saw and sees himself. In truth, it was the opposite. Whitlock, in the name of "telling it like it is," was merely flattering the prerogatives of white people who preferred that any discussion of race begin with the pathologies of black people and their culture, not with the de jure and de facto system of oppression in America and its residue. Whitlock was chickenshit. He took the easy way out. He did what comes easiest to an American, even in the 21st century, even—especially—now in the age of Obama, himself no stranger to this sort of ahistorical rhetoric. He blamed the black folks.
I'm just a white guy but I never took it that way. I saw it more as "while you fight your enemies surrounding you don't forget about the enemy within." It's not a black problem, it's an American problem that we have of refusing any responsibility at all when there's a conflict.

Cigarette and beer companies are to blame, not my gluttony. I'm a victim of AIDS even though I ran out and slept with as many women (unprotected) as possible. We can't have smoking in bars because I don't wan't you to poison me while I'm poisoning myself.

Whitlock throws words instead of stones. People are fine with that until a word or a stone is thrown their way...

Deberg_1990 04-28-2015 06:17 AM

Why does It feel like Jwhit wrecks every gig he gets?

Rausch 04-28-2015 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11462852)
Why does It feel like Jwhit wrecks every gig he gets?

Modern media loves controversy as long as the popular opinion is behind you...

Prison Bitch 04-28-2015 06:58 AM

Whitlock and joe poz were the dream team of sports columnists. RedStar allowed both to leave to focus on the papers political views. Shame

cosmo20002 04-28-2015 07:41 AM

The article calls Whit "the preeminent black sports writer" or something like that. Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but is he really that big of a deal?

I've never been a big fan and I'm aware of him wearing out his welcome rather quickly everywhere he goes, but the article comes off as a rather desperate attempt to attack the guy and generally difficult job of launching a new project. Whit and the writer both seem like dicks.

WilliamTheIrish 04-28-2015 11:41 AM

I thought he was just another fatso with a platform. And a quitter. The day he quit 610 sports after all the bravado from him and Maas/Grunhard, was hilarious.

Hootie 04-28-2015 11:42 AM

deadspin and those other sites just have it out for REAL media members

DaneMcCloud 04-28-2015 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 11462966)
The article calls Whit "the preeminent black sports writer" or something like that. Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but is he really that big of a deal?

Yes

DaneMcCloud 04-28-2015 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11462852)
Why does It feel like Jwhit wrecks every gig he gets?

How so?

And to further Ringleader's excellent analysis and post, without a vision, media ventures are doomed to fail, whether it's print, TV, film, music or advertising.

Being a dick doesn't make him wrong.

BigRock 04-28-2015 01:25 PM

Quote:

Whitlock is a social commentator with a 15-year-old’s understanding of American history and a 75-year-old’s appreciation for pop culture. He has no experience as an editor or manager; no real constituency among the young writers his site is supposed to develop; and no new ideas to bring people. His career-long aversion to reporting and love of the sound of his voice have left him without the skills necessary to build his new enterprise, and his personal incuriosity and lack of grace have left him unable to develop them or productively manage the people who have them. He is flatly, desperately unqualified for his present position. The question is just how the hell he’s heading up what should be the most important black sports and culture website in the country. And the only answer that makes much sense is that he is nothing more than the instrument of interests that would work against the very people his site is supposed to serve.
http://i.imgur.com/w6vjTnr.gif

BigRock 06-12-2015 05:28 PM

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1ytCEuuW2_A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Passepartout 06-12-2015 05:29 PM

Losing horn over Whitlock's comments says it all in response.

Hammock Parties 06-12-2015 06:12 PM

Deadspin writing about Jason Whitlock is like, one of the least things you ever need to read ever.

BigRock 06-12-2015 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11546491)
Deadspin writing about Jason Whitlock is like, one of the least things you ever need to read ever.

Deadspin wrote about him ruining "Black Grantland". He got booted from it today. They might have been onto something.

Eleazar 06-13-2015 03:28 PM

http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i57/5/7/25...ead-8df085.jpg


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:12 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.