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CoMoChief 07-16-2015 08:58 AM

What do the Chiefs do w/ the extra cap space?
 
The Chiefs supposedly gain about $4-5M in cap space w/ the Justin Houston contract extension.

What do the Chiefs do w/ that extra cap allowance?

ExtremeChief 07-16-2015 08:58 AM

Spend it on Amazon.

kepp 07-16-2015 08:59 AM

Subsidize parking costs for fans

Tombstone RJ 07-16-2015 09:04 AM

buy some female cheerleaders?

Coochie liquor 07-16-2015 09:06 AM

Make it rain at the skrip club, dawg!!

Mr_Tomahawk 07-16-2015 09:06 AM

Tyler Bray.

New Contract.

Mr. Laz 07-16-2015 09:11 AM

Poe

Dante84 07-16-2015 09:12 AM

Acquire a MLB or OL

Reerun_KC 07-16-2015 09:27 AM

Desperately need a legit LT.

loochy 07-16-2015 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11601896)
Desperately need a legit LT.

Yeah, more OL wouldn't hurt. MOAR OL!

Discuss Thrower 07-16-2015 09:29 AM

Gresham.

Jerok 07-16-2015 09:29 AM

Give chase Daniel a raise

DJ's left nut 07-16-2015 09:32 AM

Don't worry about it.

The new rollover provisions of the cap make spare cap space something you can use, essentially, whenever you need it.

There's no pressing, desperate need to burn it on Evan Mathis or a trade candidate. Hold it. Keep doing what you're doing with the guys on the squad - keep the lines open for potential extensions, etc.... and in the meantime remember that since you back-loaded that deal, having a little buffer for the $20 million cap hit that Houston will carry in 2 years may not be a bad thing.

Don't go all 'lotto winner' and look for ways to spend it. Business as usual should be the way to approach it and if you can find a veteran willing to play on a 1-year deal under value (Gresham is a nice name), so be it.

MMXcalibur 07-16-2015 09:35 AM

Improve janitorial staff.
The hallways have been disgusting since Pioli left.

O.city 07-16-2015 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11601905)
Don't worry about it.

The new rollover provisions of the cap make spare cap space something you can use, essentially, whenever you need it.

There's no pressing, desperate need to burn it on Evan Mathis or a trade candidate. Hold it. Keep doing what you're doing with the guys on the squad - keep the lines open for potential extensions, etc.... and in the meantime remember that since you back-loaded that deal, having a little buffer for the $20 million cap hit that Houston will carry in 2 years may not be a bad thing.

Don't go all 'lotto winner' and look for ways to spend it. Business as usual should be the way to approach it and if you can find a veteran willing to play on a 1-year deal under value (Gresham is a nice name), so be it.

Depends on the trade candidate.

If it were a young cornerstone type player, with the guus coming off the board soon, maybe.

Beef Supreme 07-16-2015 09:42 AM

Hookers and blow.

T-Town 07-16-2015 09:43 AM

Replinish Andy's BBQ fund

Bugeater 07-16-2015 09:44 AM

Pay for CP's new server.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2015 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11601920)
Depends on the trade candidate.

If it were a young cornerstone type player, with the guus coming off the board soon, maybe.

And that's fine as well. Be opportunistic with it - but not overly aggressive.

Mr. Laz 07-16-2015 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baconeater (Post 11601927)
Pay for CP's new server.

They don't have THAT much cap room.

loochy 07-16-2015 09:53 AM

Maybe hold for replacement of someone getting injured in training camp (it always happens)

The Franchise 07-16-2015 09:57 AM

Trade for Mychal Kendricks and then roll that money over for next season.

RealSNR 07-16-2015 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11601929)
And that's fine as well. Be opportunistic with it - but not overly aggressive.

I think that's why we avoided trading for Kendricks. He would have needed a new deal the following season.

I think it would have been nifty to simply trade for Kendricks then let DJ walk and give the money that we've normally been allocating to him the past 5 seasons over to Kendricks, but obviously Dorsey didn't see it that way, or he didn't view Kendricks as someone worth spending that amount of money to do the quality of work that DJ has done for many seasons.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2015 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11601939)
Trade for Mychal Kendricks and then roll that money over for next season.

I just don't feel like cap money was the impediment to a Kendricks deal.

Don't you think they'd have found a way to make it work if they'd have been able to reach an agreement on compensation with Philly? There's still the NFI option for Berry if it came to that.

Kendricks only has a base salary of $900K. Any signing bonus goes on Philly's cap. Cutting Zombo, McCray or JMJ would've freed up enough to fit Kendricks in and one of those guys would be going anyway due to roster constraints.

Kendricks isn't a money issue and I don't think not having him signed to an extension would keep the Chiefs from making a deal either; afterall, there's plenty of time and if he costs you a 3rd, well that's not cost prohibitive for a guy that would be a perfect scheme fit in a year where the Chiefs are possibly ready to take a leap forward this season.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2015 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11601944)
I think that's why we avoided trading for Kendricks. He would have needed a new deal the following season.

I think it would have been nifty to simply trade for Kendricks then let DJ walk and give the money that we've normally been allocating to him the past 5 seasons over to Kendricks, but obviously Dorsey didn't see it that way, or he didn't view Kendricks as someone worth spending that amount of money to do the quality of work that DJ has done for many seasons.

Also a possibility - the Chiefs may just feel he's not quite as good a fit as I thought.

Like I said - there are non-monetary reasons that he's not in KC, IMO.

The Franchise 07-16-2015 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11601948)
I just don't feel like cap money was the impediment to a Kendricks deal.

Don't you think they'd have found a way to make it work if they'd have been able to reach an agreement on compensation with Philly? There's still the NFI option for Berry if it came to that.

Kendricks only has a base salary of $900K. Any signing bonus goes on Philly's cap. Cutting Zombo, McCray or JMJ would've freed up enough to fit Kendricks in and one of those guys would be going anyway due to roster constraints.

Kendricks isn't a money issue and I don't think not having him signed to an extension would keep the Chiefs from making a deal either; afterall, there's plenty of time and if he costs you a 3rd, well that's not cost prohibitive for a guy that would be a perfect scheme fit in a year where the Chiefs are possibly ready to take a leap forward this season.

Well he is on the last year of his deal. Maybe they want to sign him to a new deal after they trade for him.

ToxSocks 07-16-2015 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11601948)
I just don't feel like cap money was the impediment to a Kendricks deal.

Don't you think they'd have found a way to make it work if they'd have been able to reach an agreement on compensation with Philly? There's still the NFI option for Berry if it came to that.

Kendricks only has a base salary of $900K. Any signing bonus goes on Philly's cap. Cutting Zombo, McCray or JMJ would've freed up enough to fit Kendricks in and one of those guys would be going anyway due to roster constraints.

Kendricks isn't a money issue and I don't think not having him signed to an extension would keep the Chiefs from making a deal either; afterall, there's plenty of time and if he costs you a 3rd, well that's not cost prohibitive for a guy that would be a perfect scheme fit in a year where the Chiefs are possibly ready to take a leap forward this season.

Considering their recent success with 3rd round picks, as a fan, i'd be hesitant to give it up. Superstitious reasons is all.

RealSNR 07-16-2015 10:14 AM

Now that I think about it, we have the potential to make a killing with a few of these veterans approaching the ends of their contracts provided they're in good enough shape to be worth keeping around.

DJ
DeVito
Eric Berry (less likely, but still hopeful)
Hali (appears to be more at the end of his career than the other guys)

DeVito is already taking a paycut, and if he's not dead and wants to continue playing, it seems like he'll play here for chump change.

Derrick Johnson may be more expensive, but again, if he's not dead from his injury and can still game, a short term deal worth less per year than his extension signed awhile ago appears to be a great option for the team.

Hali's in the same boat as DeVito, though I think if he doesn't see a resurgence this year from his 2014 season, we might have to give him a gold watch, a handshake, and a bus ticket out of town.

If we can squeeze extra playing life out of any of those guys, I think we'll get some great value.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2015 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11601959)
Now that I think about it, we have the potential to make a killing with a few of these veterans approaching the ends of their contracts provided they're in good enough shape to be worth keeping around.

DJ
DeVito
Eric Berry (less likely, but still hopeful)
Hali (appears to be more at the end of his career than the other guys)

DeVito is already taking a paycut, and if he's not dead and wants to continue playing, it seems like he'll play here for chump change.

Derrick Johnson may be more expensive, but again, if he's not dead from his injury and can still game, a short term deal worth less per year than his extension signed awhile ago appears to be a great option for the team.

Hali's in the same boat as DeVito, though I think if he doesn't see a resurgence this year from his 2014 season, we might have to give him a gold watch, a handshake, and a bus ticket out of town.

If we can squeeze extra playing life out of any of those guys, I think we'll get some great value.

I just have to think that most of these veteran players see how it works out for guys on the decline when they leave the team they're on. The adjustment is usually just too much for a guy to make while also dealing with declining skills.

Now if you're DJ and you get a chance for one last payday, sure - you take it. Maybe Hali could find himself in a similar spot with a bounceback season but I think we saw the wheels wobbling big time last year and I wouldn't be shocked if he fell of a cliff this season. DeVito may play a style of game where he can hang on a little bit longer, but these young O-lineman are getting bigger, stronger and quicker each year. Unless they 2-gap with him, he's probably going to run into some struggles as well.

Berry was overpaid when he didn't have cancer, IMO. I'm done trying to figure out ways to come up with $10 million a season for a box safety. I loved the Berry pick and think he's a great person. I also think he's become slightly overrated as a player and he's not someone worth leveraging your cap over. Some team will pay him big money and I'm inclined to let them do it.

O.city 07-16-2015 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11601948)
I just don't feel like cap money was the impediment to a Kendricks deal.

Don't you think they'd have found a way to make it work if they'd have been able to reach an agreement on compensation with Philly? There's still the NFI option for Berry if it came to that.

Kendricks only has a base salary of $900K. Any signing bonus goes on Philly's cap. Cutting Zombo, McCray or JMJ would've freed up enough to fit Kendricks in and one of those guys would be going anyway due to roster constraints.

Kendricks isn't a money issue and I don't think not having him signed to an extension would keep the Chiefs from making a deal either; afterall, there's plenty of time and if he costs you a 3rd, well that's not cost prohibitive for a guy that would be a perfect scheme fit in a year where the Chiefs are possibly ready to take a leap forward this season.

Or the Eagles were wanting a 2nd rounder.

WhawhaWhat 07-16-2015 10:40 AM

Geno Smith

O.city 07-16-2015 10:40 AM

In regards to berry. Coming off his treatment, if you could be somewhat sure he's healthy, with all they've done for him which is respectable, maybe you could get him for less. He may want a prove it type thing, but that would be fine.

Frankly, I don't know that he'll play again but who knows

The Franchise 07-16-2015 10:41 AM

I'd have no issue with paying Berry around $7-8 million a year if he's healthy.

BossChief 07-16-2015 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11601948)
I just don't feel like cap money was the impediment to a Kendricks deal.

Don't you think they'd have found a way to make it work if they'd have been able to reach an agreement on compensation with Philly? There's still the NFI option for Berry if it came to that.

Kendricks only has a base salary of $900K. Any signing bonus goes on Philly's cap. Cutting Zombo, McCray or JMJ would've freed up enough to fit Kendricks in and one of those guys would be going anyway due to roster constraints.

Kendricks isn't a money issue and I don't think not having him signed to an extension would keep the Chiefs from making a deal either; afterall, there's plenty of time and if he costs you a 3rd, well that's not cost prohibitive for a guy that would be a perfect scheme fit in a year where the Chiefs are possibly ready to take a leap forward this season.

You don't trade a premium pick like a 2 or 3 for a guy unless you have an extension in place for him. I think KC was focused on getting a deal with Houston done before looking to spend money elsewhere.

Kendrick's is the guy I hope they're targeting because Andy has history with him and we now have the $.

If our linebackers end up being DJ, Hali, Ford, Houston and Kendricks.....just, wow. We might have the top defense in the league in 2015.

O.city 07-16-2015 10:52 AM

I'd they're dead set on spending the money, fine. I'd rather put it into the offense with possible extensions to Kelce or whatever.

Even if they wanna spend it, the offense needs more. Hell, call up someone with a wr they may wanna part with.

BossChief 07-16-2015 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11601996)
I'd have no issue with paying Berry around $7-8 million a year if he's healthy.

The pics of him currently look like the chemo has taken its toll. Any extension would need a very low first year salary and a considerable roster bonus in year 2...and you really can't give him huge guarantees because of the uncertainty of his ability when he returns as well as the possibility of the cancer returning.

I'd love it if they traded for Kendrick's and maybe get Mathis on a cheap deal, since the market for him isn't as big as he had hoped.

loochy 07-16-2015 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11601996)
I'd have no issue with paying Berry around $7-8 million a year if he's healthy.

I mean he just got done getting blasted with chemicals and radiation...I don't think he's quite back to "healthy" in a football sense. Give it another year.

The Franchise 07-16-2015 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 11602017)
I mean he just got done getting blasted with chemicals and radiation...I don't think he's quite back to "healthy" in a football sense. Give it another year.

I meant when he comes back.....not now.

BossChief 07-16-2015 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11602011)
I'd they're dead set on spending the money, fine. I'd rather put it into the offense with possible extensions to Kelce or whatever.

Even if they wanna spend it, the offense needs more. Hell, call up someone with a wr they may wanna part with.

Dorsey sure seems like he made that extra space to be able to "get more deals done" -his words

I highly doubt they created the space to sit on it.

O.city 07-16-2015 10:57 AM

Like dj said. I'd rather just hold onto it for future potential deals and whatnot

Hammock Parties 07-16-2015 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 11601850)
What do the Chiefs do w/ that extra cap allowance?

http://i.imgur.com/StCGplm.gif

Dragonocho 07-16-2015 11:07 AM

Two chicks at once.

IowaChiefs83 07-16-2015 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11601905)
Don't worry about it.

The new rollover provisions of the cap make spare cap space something you can use, essentially, whenever you need it.

There's no pressing, desperate need to burn it on Evan Mathis or a trade candidate. Hold it. Keep doing what you're doing with the guys on the squad - keep the lines open for potential extensions, etc.... and in the meantime remember that since you back-loaded that deal, having a little buffer for the $20 million cap hit that Houston will carry in 2 years may not be a bad thing.

Don't go all 'lotto winner' and look for ways to spend it. Business as usual should be the way to approach it and if you can find a veteran willing to play on a 1-year deal under value (Gresham is a nice name), so be it.

Dan Snyder says to shut your whore mouth!

Rausch 07-16-2015 11:24 AM

In order:

1)WR
2) RG
3) ILB...

ChiefGator 07-16-2015 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonocho (Post 11602037)
Two chicks at once.

Winner.

BlackOp 07-16-2015 11:54 AM

Dorsey has made deliberate decisions this off-season. I'm still wary of DJ's repaired achilles lasting all season..or him being 100%. Kendricks makes too much sense considering what happened to the Chiefs run defense last season. There is a lot riding on DJ's health...as a GM, I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with that.

They could be hanging on to that cash as players get cut/injured in a few weeks too. Do some dumpster diving..

CoMoChief 07-16-2015 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 11602062)
In order:

1)WR
2) RG
3) ILB...

Even though I agree w/ the above...I don't think the Chiefs are looking for more WR help..maybe I'm wrong. But Maclin was a large contract signing and I'm guessing they're through this year at that position unless someone gets hurt. Conley, DAT, Maclin, Wilson, Kelce, Charles are all viable options for Smith. He's going to dink and dunk it all ****in season anyways, may not be in the cards to spend $$$ on another WR.

OL help, or maybe NT Red Bryant on the cheap? Maybe extend Poe's deal and lock him up long term. He's the 2nd most important player on defense besides Houston.

bricks 07-16-2015 01:38 PM

If I were the Chiefs, I'd go out and get a guard. Evan Mathis it is for me.

I mean this Oline needs more stability and veteran leadership. There are still too many question marks on it.

Dunerdr 07-16-2015 01:43 PM

Moar whores!

Dunerdr 07-16-2015 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bricks (Post 11602250)
If I were the Chiefs, I'd go out and get a guard. Evan Mathis it is for me.

I mean this Oline needs more stability and veteran leadership. There are still too many question marks on it.

I think it was stated like 36 bajillion times it's not happening.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2015 01:53 PM

Here's the thing about Poe - he's just not a terribly high priority item right now.

They have him for 1 more year on his base rookie deal then another dirt cheap season as a 1st rounder outside of the top 10 on his 5th year player option. Then they can tag him for 2 years after that at pretty reasonable rates (i.e. about 75% of what Suh's AAV is).

Then the worst case scenario is that he enters the FA market in his age 29 season with the Chiefs have driven him hard for 7 seasons.

If you can use the 4 years of below market team control you have to sign him to an extremely team friendly extension, I guess you consider it. That being said, I don't see a huge rush still. A lot can go wrong when a fat guy gets paid - NT's have higher bust rates than most when they get their big $$ contract, IIRC.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-16-2015 02:15 PM

Is that guard Mathis still available . If he is then that would be a place to throw away some money.

ChiefGator 07-16-2015 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 11602289)
Is that guard Mathis still available . If he is then that would be a place to throw away some money.

Way to think outside the box!

Hogs and cookies keep you up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsvtDBAmwOY

FlaChief58 07-16-2015 02:40 PM

Give it to Smiff

jimidollar 07-16-2015 02:43 PM

Let the Royals borrow it since they actually have a chance to win something.

Strongside 07-16-2015 02:45 PM

Sign Jeff George.

Three7s 07-16-2015 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11601967)
I just have to think that most of these veteran players see how it works out for guys on the decline when they leave the team they're on. The adjustment is usually just too much for a guy to make while also dealing with declining skills.

Now if you're DJ and you get a chance for one last payday, sure - you take it. Maybe Hali could find himself in a similar spot with a bounceback season but I think we saw the wheels wobbling big time last year and I wouldn't be shocked if he fell of a cliff this season. DeVito may play a style of game where he can hang on a little bit longer, but these young O-lineman are getting bigger, stronger and quicker each year. Unless they 2-gap with him, he's probably going to run into some struggles as well.

Berry was overpaid when he didn't have cancer, IMO. I'm done trying to figure out ways to come up with $10 million a season for a box safety. I loved the Berry pick and think he's a great person. I also think he's become slightly overrated as a player and he's not someone worth leveraging your cap over. Some team will pay him big money and I'm inclined to let them do it.

I agree. I enjoy watching Berry play, and he's certainly one of the better safeties in the league, but $10 mil a year for an above average safety? No thanks. He doesn't make enough game-changing plays to get that kind of coin.

ThaVirus 07-16-2015 03:35 PM

What do the Chiefs do w/ the extra cap space?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 11602403)
I agree. I enjoy watching Berry play, and he's certainly one of the better safeties in the league, but $10 mil a year for an above average safety? No thanks. He doesn't make enough game-changing plays to get that kind of coin.


Since we're apparently better off without him, I'm in the let-him-walk-if-he-ever-plays-again camp.

But this notion just isn't really correct. At his peak, he definitely changed games. During the 2013 season, his best as a pro, he basically neutralized every TE we faced all season long. You could see it in the stat sheet as well. No team was better at defending the TE that year except the Bills, and you can attribute nearly 100% of that success to Berry given our scheme and his responsibilities.

There were also times when you could see the guy was out there busting his ass, obviously one of our best defenders. The 2010 playoff game against the Ravens is one example.

I've also broken down turnover rates for Berry and Earl Thomas, as so many love to do here. Over the length of their careers, Earl Thomas averages like 1.2 more INTs per season than Berry.

BlackOp 07-16-2015 04:27 PM

Berry made out like a bandit...he only really played 3 1/2 years and banked $60 million. A safety should never be the 2nd highest payed player on your team.

If he returns in 2016...I seriously doubt it will be for KC.

DJ's left nut 07-16-2015 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 11602526)
Berry made out like a bandit...he only really played 3 1/2 years and banked $60 million. A safety should never be the 2nd highest payed player on your team.

If he returns in 2016...I seriously doubt it will be for KC.

Yeah, speaking from a purely objective perspective, it would be tough to say that the Berry pick yielded positive returns for the Chiefs.

That high in the draft and for the kind of money spent during a down period in the Chiefs competitive cycle, it just hasn't been a great return. Now a fairly significant part of that isn't necessarily his fault (out of whack rookie contracts, the knee, the Chiefs being largely terrible....cancer), but fault isn't the issue here.

Sum total, paying $60 million for 3 1/2 seasons of SS play (in 5 years) on a .500 football team is probably not a great allocation of resources. I was so amped about the pick and thought the guy was going to be the lynchpin of a turnaround but I think ultimately the returns on the pick have to be considered pretty unimpressive.

Dunerdr 07-16-2015 05:15 PM

I think he'll be back at a reduced price. If he comes back. But I don't he comes back

scho63 07-16-2015 05:20 PM

Bring back Peeholi, Matt Cass-hole and Todd Haley!!! The horseshit trifecta! LMAO

King_Chief_Fan 07-16-2015 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 11602526)
Berry made out like a bandit...he only really played 3 1/2 years and banked $60 million. A safety should never be the 2nd highest payed player on your team.

If he returns in 2016...I seriously doubt it will be for KC.

Who then? Not playing for 2 years having a serious illness and an injury wouldn't draw much interest i wouldn't think.
Maybe he will have a sense of loyalty to a team that treated him first class. (Like they should have)

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-16-2015 05:46 PM

More pink shoes and socks, of course.

aturnis 07-16-2015 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11602565)
Yeah, speaking from a purely objective perspective, it would be tough to say that the Berry pick yielded positive returns for the Chiefs.

That high in the draft and for the kind of money spent during a down period in the Chiefs competitive cycle, it just hasn't been a great return. Now a fairly significant part of that isn't necessarily his fault (out of whack rookie contracts, the knee, the Chiefs being largely terrible....cancer), but fault isn't the issue here.

Sum total, paying $60 million for 3 1/2 seasons of SS play (in 5 years) on a .500 football team is probably not a great allocation of resources. I was so amped about the pick and thought the guy was going to be the lynchpin of a turnaround but I think ultimately the returns on the pick have to be considered pretty unimpressive.

Exactly all of this. IMO, he's great in run support, but a liability against the pass. Maybe he was good in the 2013 season, but I'm not so sure. Abdullah seems to do the job very well.

Some want him covering deep, but I really like Ron Parker back there.

O.city 07-16-2015 05:52 PM

The chiefs in 2013 were either the best or second best at covering the te. Alot of thag had to be berry.

I don't remember who brought that up

The Franchise 07-16-2015 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 11602629)
Exactly all of this. IMO, he's great in run support, but a liability against the pass. Maybe he was good in the 2013 season, but I'm not so sure. Abdullah seems to do the job very well.

Some want him covering deep, but I really like Ron Parker back there.

Liability against the pass? Thats ****ing bullshit. Berry's main problem is that he got put at SS when he was drafted instead of FS like we should have in the beginning.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-16-2015 06:23 PM

You guy have turned into total MORONS. All of the sudden Berry sucks, GEEZ !

aturnis 07-16-2015 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 11602676)
You guy have turned into total MORONS. All of the sudden Berry sucks, GEEZ !

I've thought he's overhyped and overpaid for a few years now.

I'd give DJ, Hali and Houston as much credit as anyone for our success against the TE. They all do a good job in coverage.

Can't say this team missed Berry too much.

ClevelandBronco 07-16-2015 07:41 PM

Put any New England backup QB on layaway.

threebag 07-16-2015 07:44 PM

Eric Warfield

BlackOp 07-16-2015 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 11602676)
You guy have turned into total MORONS. All of the sudden Berry sucks, GEEZ !

I dont think anyone said he sucks...he doesn't. He's a good football player. He's just not the transcendent/once-in-a-generation type player KC thought they were getting. He sure looked great his rookie year...but after he really didn't make the type of game altering plays you expect from the highest paid safety in NFL history. He was supposed to be the next Ed Reed/Troy Polamalu.

I was thinking about the most over-rated player on the roster and couldn't really come up with one. Berry is probably it..considering how much he was paid...and the hype vs. production.

BossChief 07-16-2015 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11602638)
Liability against the pass? Thats ****ing bullshit. Berry's main problem is that he got put at SS when he was drafted instead of FS like we should have in the beginning.

:clap:

Mother****erJones 07-16-2015 08:15 PM

Berry needs to be deep and be the ball hawk I thought he was drafted to be. I thought we'd have him in the box occasionally. He was tabbed as "an Ed Reed type" but he's been put in the box seemingly all the time.

BlackOp 07-16-2015 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 11602783)
Berry needs to be deep and be the ball hawk I thought he was drafted to be. I thought we'd have him in the box occasionally. He was tabbed as "an Ed Reed type" but he's been put in the box seemingly all the time.

The question is why Sutton chose to use him in a SS/Jack-of-all-trades role? When Houston went down, KC's defense took a serious hit....same with DJ and the run defense. When Berry left...they actually seemed to play better. So maybe it is a schematic aberration...but losing him didnt have much impact....and it should have considering he is a 11.5 million dollar/franchise type player.

Red Dawg 07-16-2015 08:37 PM

Dorsey will look at cut players to spend money on or spend on a vet should some horrible loss happen in training camp. Nothing earth shattering can happen at this point.

DaneMcCloud 07-16-2015 08:51 PM

Eric Berry is more Jerome Woods than Deron Cherry.

I'll never understand the fascination with the guy.

chiefzilla1501 07-16-2015 08:56 PM

Sign chris Myers to a 1 year contract. Morse won't be ready right away. Chiefs don't seem overly confident in kush. A good one year fix.

Hammock Parties 07-16-2015 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11602829)
Eric Berry is more Jerome Woods than Deron Cherry.

I'll never understand the fascination with the guy.

He was super famous in college, a high pick and has a lot of personality.

He's the Tim Tebow of NFL safeties.

I doubt he ever plays football again, though.

Mother****erJones 07-16-2015 08:58 PM

I could care less if he plays again. I just want him to survive and thrive. That's all i ask for.


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