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RunKC 07-28-2015 02:20 PM

Dontari Poe will miss camp due to back injury
 
@DannyParkins: Dontari Poe will miss training camp. #Chiefs

@ChiefsReporter: Dontari Poe will be resting until after #ChiefsCamp. Won't participate in team practices.

@pgsween: #Chiefs DT Dontari Poe had a herniated disk in his back and had successful surgery on July 15. He is doing great & will be up to camp Fri.

The Franchise 07-28-2015 02:20 PM

Get healthy. We don't need him in camp.

KurtCobain 07-28-2015 02:21 PM

The whole ****ing thing? Just like that?

KurtCobain 07-28-2015 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11623973)
Get healthy. We don't need him in camp.

I feel like if it heals up with a week or so left of camp, you get him reps.

RealSNR 07-28-2015 02:22 PM

Gonna be a lot harder to win the preseason Super Bowl without him :(

the Talking Can 07-28-2015 02:22 PM

and ****

kcxiv 07-28-2015 02:22 PM

good, less wear and tear on him. he might start a little slow, but thats ok. as long as he's full bore down the stretch. He plays way to many plays during a game as it is.

Chromatic 07-28-2015 02:23 PM

4-12

O.city 07-28-2015 02:23 PM

Back injuries foe big men aren't good news.

Strongside 07-28-2015 02:23 PM

Just heard that. He'll be aight.

Mr. Laz 07-28-2015 02:24 PM

He's been playing too dam much anyway.


This forces Sutton to get used to playing without him.

penbrook 07-28-2015 02:24 PM

Looks like Berry might have a chance to play this year. Reid said Berry is in great shape and is undergoing a physical in KC. Will provide a update tommorow

nychief 07-28-2015 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 11623986)
good, less wear and tear on him. he might start a little slow, but thats ok. as long as he's full bore down the stretch.



Um. this is a career shortening injury. Big guys with bad backs... don't mix. He is going to weigh 500 lbs after sitting on his ass all summer. We won't see him till midseason, and even then, we have no idea what we'll get.

O.city 07-28-2015 02:24 PM

Yeah they seemed pretty upbeat about berry

ptlyon 07-28-2015 02:25 PM

It's happening. Gif

RealSNR 07-28-2015 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11623997)
He's been playing too dam much anyway.


This forces Sutton to get used to playing without him.

Agreed.

It's almost like the Chiefs haven't even tried to get the big man rest. They're smarter than that.

Make it happen.

Strongside 07-28-2015 02:26 PM

Yeah I was about to say...Reid made it sound like Berry is in great shape even coming out of treatment...he's doing physicals and they're hopeful he's ready to go soon but don't want to give anything away until his physicals are over. If he's back this early that kid is superman. That's incredible and an absolute inspiration.

The Franchise 07-28-2015 02:26 PM

I wonder who will get reps at NT.

Put DeVito there. We really need to get the Big Cat some playing time. Can't get 20 sacks without getting some reps first.

O.city 07-28-2015 02:27 PM

I know injuries happen, but **** it seems like our best players keep getting ****ed up..

Because chiefs I guess

penbrook 07-28-2015 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11624016)
I wonder who will get reps at NT.

Put DeVito there. We really need to get the Big Cat some playing time. Can't get 20 sacks without getting some reps first.

Reid said Howard is taking reps

Chiefspants 07-28-2015 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 11623998)
Looks like Berry might have a chance to play this year. Reid said Berry is in great shape and is undergoing a physical in KC. Will provide a update tommorow

Fantastic.

Strongside 07-28-2015 02:29 PM

Chiefs will know about Berry within the next 24 hours. Having tests done WITH THE TEAM.

That's incredible.

Per 610.

Chiefnj2 07-28-2015 02:29 PM

I wonder how he hurt himself.

Mr. Laz 07-28-2015 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11624012)
Agreed.

It's almost like the Chiefs haven't even tried to get the big man rest. They're smarter than that.

Make it happen.

This could a good thing as long as this back issue doesn't linger.


We have to find a viable rotation to give Poe a break.

Skyy God 07-28-2015 02:30 PM

Recovery time for laminectomies/discectomies is way longer than 6 weeks.

Mr. Laz 07-28-2015 02:31 PM

I would question why wasn't the surgery done earlier though.

kcchiefsus 07-28-2015 02:32 PM

Rotoworld makes it sound like he could miss the whole season.

Bugeater 07-28-2015 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11624039)
I would question why wasn't the surgery done earlier though.

And that would be a fair question

Dante84 07-28-2015 02:35 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7422/dontari-poe

Quote:

Chiefs NT Dontari Poe is recovering from back surgery to repair a herniated disk, and is out indefinitely.

It's possible Poe misses the entire regular season. He won't participate in camp. Per coach Andy Reid, there's a "reasonable chance" Poe returns at the "end of the season." Poe was a slow developer, but has come on as one of the league's premier nose tackles. His loss is a massive blow for a run defense that was one of the league's worst in 2014, and doesn't know what it will get from Mike DeVito and Derrick Johnson as they recover from Achilles' injuries. Poe has missed just one game in three NFL seasons. Jaye Howard is the next man up on the depth chart. Jul 28 - 4:24 PM
Source: BJ Kissel on Twitter
That has to be a typo, right??

KCUnited 07-28-2015 02:37 PM

That escalated quickly.

O.city 07-28-2015 02:37 PM

Yeah they pretty much completely butchered that up.

Strongside 07-28-2015 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DA_T_84 (Post 11624048)

That is a typo. He clearly said early in the season, if not the first game. They misheard.

penbrook 07-28-2015 02:38 PM

They went off of what Terez Paylor tweeted. He meant to say the end of pre season

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-28-2015 02:39 PM

If he only misses camp after having surgery for a herniated disc in the midle of July it will be a miracle.

O.city 07-28-2015 02:41 PM

Reid said they're thinking hell be back by early season, whatever that is

ptlyon 07-28-2015 02:41 PM

Rub some dirt on it

DJ's left nut 07-28-2015 02:42 PM

Oh shit.

Umm....a herniated disc? Yeah, that's really REALLY not good. Big guys with back issues never really shake them. He'll feel a slight knot back there, possibly for the rest of his life. And if he gets turned in just the wrong direction, that wall that is supposed to hold the disc in (which is now compromised) won't, the disc will bulge and the spine will pinch on it. At that point he ends up with shooting pain somewhere in his body (depending on which disc) and usually the muscles around the area bunch up incredibly tight and won't release so now that all hurts like hell as well.

This is really REALLY shitty news.

This is the kind of thing that will linger and could significantly impact his career going forward.

ToxSocks 07-28-2015 02:44 PM

Not a good start to camp. Im not TOO worried, as i think we have good DL depth. The Berry news is interesting.

Chiefnj2 07-28-2015 02:44 PM

3 month minimum recovery.

KC native 07-28-2015 02:44 PM

WE'REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Rain Man 07-28-2015 02:45 PM

I'm so mad about this that I'm going to neg rep everyone in the thread just because they were standing nearby when I heard the news.

A herniated disc is bad news.

MMXcalibur 07-28-2015 02:45 PM

http://images.rapgenius.com/f5d65654...468x360x55.gif

the Talking Can 07-28-2015 02:45 PM

bad backs and big guys can't be good news...and he still hasn't got his fat payday yet

Titty Meat 07-28-2015 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11623997)
He's been playing too dam much anyway.


This forces Sutton to get used to playing without him.

Give it a break

Titty Meat 07-28-2015 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 11623998)
Looks like Berry might have a chance to play this year. Reid said Berry is in great shape and is undergoing a physical in KC. Will provide a update tommorow

I saw Berry last night. No way he's playing this year.

kysirsoze 07-28-2015 02:47 PM

Zobrist. Yay! Poe. No!! Berry. Yay!!!

Quite a sports day.

Hammock Parties 07-28-2015 02:50 PM

LOL...see, always something with this franchise.

This will contribute to our 0-3 start.

ToxSocks 07-28-2015 02:52 PM

I just read that Chiefs' new rookie receiver Kenny Cook battled Lymphoma and came out on the winning end.

mcaj22 07-28-2015 02:53 PM

NFL lineman and bad backs is like 7 foot centers in the NBA and bad feet.

ToxSocks 07-28-2015 02:57 PM

Sounds like we're officially writing him off as damaged goods.

"throw him back in the pile, he's a blem"

DJ's left nut 07-28-2015 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11624030)
This could a good thing as long as this back issue doesn't linger.

That's pretty much a non-starter.

A disc issue will linger. It's not likely to ever really fully recover. The only thing he can do is strengthen around the disc so much that it's never really put under the same amount of stress it once was. The problem is that even that sort of training may aggravate it.

A disc injury is really really bad news.

Mr. Laz 07-28-2015 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 11624074)
3 month minimum recovery.

ummmm ... no

regular people can often return to limited work in less than a week (i did)


of course football players are different and can't return under "limits" but they also heal faster and have superior medical care


depends what all was done in the surgery as well

Chiefnj2 07-28-2015 03:02 PM

NEW YORK – Professional football players, even those in the most physically punishing positions, can undergo back surgery and return to the gridiron, researchers at Northwestern University's Feinberg School of Medicine report in the American Journal of Sports Medicine.

"They aren't broken, they aren't more fragile after surgery," orthopedic surgeon and lead author Dr. Joseph K. Weistroffer told Reuters Health. "Four out of five who have surgery not only return to play, they return to starter positions."

Weistroffer and colleagues decided to look into how often National Football League linemen returned to play following surgery for a herniated disk after hearing a broadcaster declare a player "broken" and unlikely to play again after surgery.

Linemen tend to be the biggest, heaviest players on the team. Their responsibilities require a lot of crouching, twisting and pummeling on the field, putting tremendous stress on their backs.

Herniated disk - sometimes called a "slipped disk" occurs when soft cushioning disks between spinal vertebrae become displaced. The leaking disc material pressing on spinal nerves can produce intense back pain and numbness or tingling in arms or legs.

Among college football players, 15 percent to 50 percent of linemen suffer lower-back disk injuries including herniations.


To see how well elite NFL players fare, the researchers gathered information about linemen on team rosters between 1982 and 2009 from various sources including press reports, team injury reports, newspaper archives, team records and individual players' profiles. Only those NFL linemen diagnosed with a herniated disk in at least two independent sources and one official league injury report were included.

Of the 66 players included in the study, 14 were treated non-surgically and 52 treated with surgery. Of those treated surgically, 42 (81 percent) returned to play in at least one game, although most played an average of 33 games over 3 years.

The success of surgical treatment in NFL linemen was "significantly better than we expected," the authors write.

"What's remarkable is that many of these players not only returned to play, they returned to starter positions," Weistroffer said.

Of the players treated with surgery, 36 had been starters before their herniated disk diagnosis and 33 of them returned to that status after surgery.

In contrast, only four of the 14 players treated non-surgically returned to play. Weistroffer cautions against reading any significance into that fact. "The numbers are too small to draw conclusions from," he said.

Nonsurgical treatment for herniated disk usually includes muscle relaxers, pain killers and anti-inflammatory medications, and may involve cold compresses applied several times a day.
Surgery to open the back, clean out leaked disc material and stabilize the spine is a treatment of last resort, Weistroffer said.

"No surgery is the best option for everyone, including elite athletes," he said. "But if a herniated disc doesn't heal naturally, surgery may be an option" without branding a lineman as damaged for good.

The results of this study, the authors point out, cannot be generalized to the population at large.

Elite athletes have strong incentives to return to play including in some cases multi-million dollar contracts. In addition, elite athletes have significant resources available to help in rehab including "focused, well-trained professional staff dedicated to strength and conditioning."

Nevertheless, "if a NFL lineman can return to full activities, the average Joe has a good chance to get back on with their life if they don't heal naturally and decide to turn to surgery," Weistroffer said.

Titty Meat 07-28-2015 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11624136)
Sounds like we're officially writing him off as damaged goods.

"throw him back in the pile, he's a blem"

At least they won't have to pay him Suh money now

saphojunkie 07-28-2015 03:03 PM

Pretty sure that means preseason.

Rasputin 07-28-2015 03:06 PM

It took me a long time to recover from my back surgery but after five years doing much better. Best wishes Poe.

O.city 07-28-2015 03:06 PM

I bet he's back game 1

saphojunkie 07-28-2015 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11624099)
LOL...see, always something with this franchise.

This will contribute to our 0-3 start.

:facepalm:

ToxSocks 07-28-2015 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billay (Post 11624086)
I saw Berry last night. No way he's playing this year.

You saw him how? Where?

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-28-2015 03:09 PM

The Chiefs had this done just so he won't earn a huge payday. next year.

#2 ) I've lived with a herniated disc for some 30 years and still work every day. What a puss.

saphojunkie 07-28-2015 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 11624173)
The Chiefs had this done just so he won't earn a huge payday. next year.

#2 ) I've lived with a herniated disc for some 30 years and still work every day. What a puss.

What the hot **** are you talking about.

Hammock Parties 07-28-2015 03:19 PM

But seriously.

http://i.imgur.com/guY8ebH.jpg

RunKC 07-28-2015 03:25 PM

John Dorsey needs to get Red Bryant on the phone ASAP. Bryant is 328 lbs and has been an above average run stuffer per PFF with 4 sacks in the last 2 years playing in Seattle and Jacksonville.

I'm not trusting a 300 lb Jaye Howard or a guy who is coming back from an achilles injury to fill in at NT.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-28-2015 03:27 PM

Lol at the CP doctors

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 07-28-2015 03:27 PM

Is that big ass Rakeem dude worth a shit?

thabear04 07-28-2015 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11624208)
John Dorsey needs to get Red Bryant on the phone ASAP. Bryant is 328 lbs and has been an above average run stuffer per PFF with 4 sacks in the last 2 years playing in Seattle and Jacksonville.

I'm not trusting a 300 lb Jaye Howard or a guy who is coming back from an achilles injury to fill in at NT.

Or trust DT Rakeem Nunez-Roches.

penbrook 07-28-2015 03:29 PM

We're not even a day into training camp and it's already full meltdown mode. This is gonna be a long season CP

RunKC 07-28-2015 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 11624220)
We're not even a day into training camp and it's already full meltdown mode. This is gonna be a long season CP

Not like Dontari Poe is the most important player on our defense and guys like him are easy to find.

The Franchise 07-28-2015 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 11624220)
We're not even a day into training camp and it's already full meltdown mode. This is gonna be a long season CP

Link?

penbrook 07-28-2015 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11624226)
Not like Dontari Poe is the most important player on our defense and guys like him are easy to find.

Justin Houston says hi

RunKC 07-28-2015 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 11624243)
Justin Houston says hi

There are lots of good pass rushers in the NFL.

There only like 5 guys who can do what Poe does.

Bwana 07-28-2015 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11624169)
You saw him how? Where?

My guess would be in Best Buy. :thumb:

Mr. Laz 07-28-2015 03:58 PM

Red Bryant

The Franchise 07-28-2015 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11624283)
Red Bryant

We've got some cap space now.

Mr. Laz 07-28-2015 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 11624286)
We've got some cap space now.

better to grab him now and not need him then to end up without options later


he can play the run

BigMeatballDave 07-28-2015 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11624099)
LOL...see, always something with this franchise.

This will contribute to our 0-3 start.

LMAO Really? WTF does this have to do with the 'franchise'?

Well, other than lousy luck.

Are you struggling with your sexuality, Bruce?

Quesadilla Joe 07-28-2015 04:05 PM

Poe is smart, put off the surgery until the last minute so you don't have to go to Training Camp.

Hammock Parties 07-28-2015 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11624292)
LMAO Really? WTF does this have to do with the 'franchise'?

Well, the franchise continues to rely on mediocre QBs.

When you do that, losing your NT for a significant chunk of time has a greater impact.

Now the D is going to be worse...we'll give up more points...we have a mediocre QB behind a bad line trying to play catch up against Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers in the first 3 weeks...

I'm sure everything will work out just fine though.

Just for once I'd like to go into a season thinking "well that sucks but we have a badass QB and I'm sure he can carry the team through this."

Tribal Warfare 07-28-2015 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11623972)
@DannyParkins: Dontari Poe will miss training camp. #Chiefs

@ChiefsReporter: Dontari Poe will be resting until after #ChiefsCamp. Won't participate in team practices.

@pgsween: #Chiefs DT Dontari Poe had a herniated disk in his back and had successful surgery on July 15. He is doing great & will be up to camp Fri.

At least it isn't all doom and gloom like the Clowney situation

New World Order 07-28-2015 04:26 PM

They don't sound optimistic he will be back early in the season.

I'm worried.


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